FredCDobbs

I never saw the original desaturated version, and I'm trying to remember an article I read about 45 years ago. "Desaturated" meant ALL the colors were washed out, including yellow and gold. The article said the ONLY color visible as a strong solid color was red. I remember the article fairly well, since I was a documentary film cameraman at the time and I thought the "desatuated" idea, with red only being visible as a strong primary color, was a silly idea. I don't recall any mention of the film being bright yellow or gold. TCM's gold version is NOT "desaturated", it is gold toned, probably with a gold filter during printing, or more likely now, toned gold during electronic dubbing from film to electronic video. "Desaturated" would be like when you turn your TV's "color" adjustment almost all the way off. That is "desaturated". And that was difficult to do with film only and no electronics involved. Also, it was difficult to keep red only and desaturate everything else, without the entire film looking redish or pink. The article said they had to a lot of lab, printing, and filter manipulation to get the desaturated (nearly colorless) effect, yet while retaining bright reds.

I think it was. I read somewhere that TV distribution copies in the past did have that word either bleeped out or some other word recorded and dubbed in over it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_%28dog%29

I don't remember the article saying the desaturated copy was "gold". I recall saying it resembled black and white with very weak colors except for bright red. I also think this version was released first, but not accepted by audiences, so the full color version was released for general release, and that is what most people saw. But it doesn't seem to be available now.

I think I read somewhere that it was the real name of the dog and also the real name of the secret operation, the code name. Back in the 1940s, this wasn't intended as an insulting word by the British. It was more like their term Fuzzie Wuzzies, which I think referred to some of the dark skinned people in some of their South Pacific or African colonies who wore large Afro type hair styles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy-Wuzzy I've experienced in Latin America being called a gring-o, which is usually an insulting term if said near the northern border, but the further South I traveled, the more it was just a slang term meaning "tourist from the US" and in Central America it's not intended as being insulting at all. So, "they" have their own slang names for us white Americans, with some terms being insulting and others not, such as "Yankee Go Home!", which is insulting if said or shouted in Latin America, and "Yank" or "Yankee" as said by a British person during WW II or now, which is not insulting.

I read an American Cinematographer article about it shortly after the film was first released. It said that one version was in normal full color, but a second version was in an experimental "desaturated" color, except fo red objects. "desaturated" essentially means something like "black and white". It was NOT gold colored. It was pretty much black and white except for the color red. The gold version is a modern 3rd version that we see on TCM.

I know there are other guessers out there..... I can hear them breathing. But since they are not making themselves known at this time, I will ask you to post another photo, please.

Geepers, this one is difficult.

Thanks for the information. TCM fans (including me) were shocked to hear that the name of Richard Todd's dog in the 1955 movie THE DAM BUSTRS, was "nig-ger". I just about fainted when I heard Todd use that name several times in the movie. That word was also the code-word for the dambuster operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlCM2Hh8w8

LOL, a couple of days ago I saw a CNN reporter fail to move when a cop came up and shouted "move on" to a large crowd, after he (the cop) had been ordered by supervisors to keep the crowd moving and not let it become stationary. The reporter was so happy about being shouted out by a cop, and he stayed put and obviously looked like he hoped to be arrested on live TV. I thought that was a little sensationalist of him. Dan Rather did something similar at the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968 and he became a media hero by being arrested on live TV on CBS. This type of thing is a ratings booster.

Gone to Earth (1950) Search term used, based on your last posted photo: Jennifer Jones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq15RmpW2jY

Maybe someone can tell me why salt water from the Pacific Ocean was pumped all the way up hill to the Water Commissioner's garden, and then allowed to ruin the grass in such an obvious manner that the Asian gardener noticed it, and then allowed to flow back down to the Ocean?? And then why was some guy's body dumped in his own salt-water garden channel/pond, and then washed down to the Pacific Ocean? That seems like an odd way to get rid of a body. I've lived in The Valley, and I found the film really stupid. I mean THE Valley, the same place the film was about. I think DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS, a neo-noir about LA in the 1940s, was MUCH better. This film was so good, I identified with Denzel Washington, and I felt like I was a black guy trying to keep from being murdered by white L.A. politicians, cops, crooks, etc. When a film can induce me into changing my race while I watch it, and boo all the white guys, it's usually a pretty good film. And look at all these old cars. This is much better than Chinatown because the film looks like it was made in the 1940s. Chinatown does not.

Hey, thanks for that recording! I knew nothing about them until I moved out to the Southwest and I began to find them growing in my yard. I didn't know what they were, just some kind of green weeds when they are growing. And they can grow without any rainfall. Then in the fall of the year, around Sept/Oct, they dried up, turned brown or light tan, and broke off at the stem. The curling up at the tips made them round, and when the wind blew they tumbled. They tend to collect at houses, cars, and fences. That British report I mentioned was some British documentary script writer writing some kind of myth he had grown up hearing about them. I couldn't believe that PBS aired the program, more than once, and didn't correct it. But I guess they don't have tumbleweeds in New York or Washington DC or Boston or London. However, tumbleweeds are attractive when a few of them, or a lone one is blowing across the desert landscape, just like in a lot of Western movies.

Ok, you are forgiven. Oh, but don't forget, my name is "Fred".

You are a very bright math professor. I don't know **** about math, so I try to not write any math articles for TV or the internet.

I think you are right about that. The reason was very simple.... back in those days the Communists in Hollywood generally pretended to be "liberals". But during the HUAC hearings, Bogie and others heard their testimony, heard their defense of Communist Russia, and finally realized that some of the guys in Hollywood who pretended to be "liberals" were actually Stalin- and Soviet-supporting Communists. That came as a shock to many Hollywood liberals, such as Democrats and Independents. What they were trying to cover up during their HUAC testimony or lack of testimony, was the strong connection back in those days between the Soviet Union and the American Communist Party (the CP,USA). It would be as if we learned today that several Hollywood actors, directors, etc. were working secretly to promote the political goals of The People's Republic of China, like Windi Deng Murdoch was doing at Fox Films and several China internet companies a few years ago.

Andy, Mizz Chairwoman thought McCarthy, the Senator, was a questioner on the House Committee. This is very common historical misinformation. I see it in the media all the time. I saw a British documentary on PBS that said "American tumbleweeds are among the few plants that never put down roots, and they get all their nutrients from the air." This is SO stupid, yet it was said on a PBS documentary. I have tumbleweeds in my yard. They grow as green plants, then in the fall of the year they dry out, turn brown, curl up, break off at the stem, and THEN when the wind blows them, they become tumbleweeds. THEY DO NOT TUMBLE when they are green and have roots in the ground. THEY ARE DEAD PLANTS when they do tumble. And Joseph McCarthy was NOT on the HOUSE COMMITTEE, because he was a SENATOR. Who are our schools teachers today? I'm going to write a nasty letter to Victoria, the Queen of Canada, or maybe to Robin Hood, the King of England.

You are SURE???? No you are not. The first HUAC Hollywood Committee hearing was in 1947, before anyone in the public had ever heard of Joseph McCarthy. He didn't even become a Senator until 1947. The HUAC Hollywood investigation had been going on long before he became a Senator.

Thanks for that information. I didn't know who he was. That's film director John Huston standing up in the photo.

NO. McCarthy was a SENATOR. He had nothing to do with a HOUSE Committee. The HUAC Committee was a HOUSE COMMITTEE. I.E. the US House of Representatives. McCarthy was a Senator, in the US Senate. That information is from my 6th Grade Civics Class. The US Congress has 2 different "Houses"..... the SENATE, and the US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Joseph McCarthy WAS A SENATOR. HUAC was a HOUSE COMMITTEE, and NOT a SENATE COMMITTEE. You are getting HUAC mixed up with a separate and differerent Senate Committee, which is often called the Senate's ARMY-McCARTHY HEARINGS. See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army%E2%80%93McCarthy_hearings and then see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee The Senate Committee investigated Communists in the ARMY. The House Committee investigated Communists in Hollywood. Fred

This has been a great SUTS month! I've been watching TCM a lot this month.

Things like that go on all the time, in one way or another, in nearly every city, and sometimes there are murders or "mysterious accidents" involved. Now, THE BIG SLEEP, that is a great story, even though it doesn't make much sense. I've been watching it over and over again for years.

By the way..... Mr. Osborne often tells the story about how Gene Kelly missed out on making a film because he had a broken ankle at the time. He was with that first group of actors who went to the HUAC hearings in DC, and here is a photo of him with his broken ankle. 2nd photo taken during his DC trip.

HEY! I'm not the topic of this thread. Stop posting insults about me and stop telling people what you want others to think I think. I responded to hepclassic's post by posting articles about what Humphrey Bogart said in his own magazine and newspaper articles. I'm a researcher, that's my hobby. I find obscure articles on the internet and I post them for everyone to read and enjoy and educate themselves. DON'T BLAME ME FOR WHAT HUMPHREY BOGART SAID IN 1947 and 48. Fred

NO insults, please. I was responding to hepclassic's post, which said: "I do want to ask this group of intelligent individuals here if they have or know of any new insights into this dark time in Hollywood history." I did not post my own opinion. I posted other articles from that era. I assumed this was what helpclassic wanted, ie more historical data, articles, and information from that era. Fred