FredCDobbs
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This marathon starts at 8 PM Eastern and goes until the next morning at 6 AM Eastern.
That?s 10 hours so it will take more than one tape or disk if you want to record it all.
These are not as great as some of the great detective classics, but they are fun and relaxing to watch and to try to figure out.
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Actually, I think that ?The Naked Jungle? is a certifiable Classic that should be shown on TCM.
The cast is very good, the story is good, the story is unusual and interesting as it gradually develops over a long period of time. In the meantime, the audience is engrossed in the setting of the jungle plantation and the nature of Eleanor Parker?s trip into the jungle before they realize there is a serious threatening danger about to strike everyone. The steamy heat radiated by Eleanor Parker is fantastic. Ants smants, just looking a Parker ogle Charlton Heston made me (as a teenager) want to rush down to South America and open up a plantation.
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I've got to go watch this silent movie.
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> "I've just explained it. The media does not use
> the word simile anymore. They've all gone to
> "metaphor" or "metaphorical". Most people don't even
> know what a simile is today."
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> Maybe I should take it to the Cockamamie thread...
Maybe you should. The only people I've ever heard mention similes in years have been English teachers.
If you listen to writers, directors, and newspeople on TV today, they don't use the term. They use "metaphor" and "metaphorical".
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> I couldn't agree with you more on this. The movies
> you mention aren't bad movies, but there may be other
> channels that are better suited for them.
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> Instead, give us more Garbo, Shearer, Chaney,
> Barrymore!!
Exactly. You are right.
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I've just explained it. The media does not use the word simile anymore. They've all gone to "metaphor" or "metaphorical". Most people don't even know what a simile is today.
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> Re: the above: Fred, you are in serious need of a
> lobotomy.
Yeah, like in Nazi Germany? I don't like to pay for crappy new movies on a CLASSIC movie channel, and you think that I am the one who needs the lobotomy?
I'm aready paying $49 dollars a month for about 10 crappy movie channels, just so I can get TCM, the three news channels, and a couple of documentary channels. But No More, and Never Again. $49 is the limit, and that's over the limit if TCM keeps up this modern crappy movie trend.
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> "That's like being in Germany in 1936 and saying,
> "Oh, the government has changed alright, and we don't
> have the freedom of speech like we did a couple of
> years ago, and the Nazis can't get any worse than
> they are now."
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> I think it might be a simile...
Actually, the difference between a metaphor and a simile is with a metaphor one should use the term ?you ARE a....? or ?this IS a.....?, and with a simile you should say, ?you are LIKE a.....? or ?this is LIKE a.....? So, you are correct, since I said, ?This is LIKE being in Germany in 1936?, rather than ?This IS Germany in 1936...?
But ?this is Germany in 1936? doesn?t sound right, that's too broad a statement, and, anyway, the word simile has fallen into disuse, and today the term metaphor is used in places where the word simile would have been used in times past. Various kinds of comparisons today are often said to be ?metaphorical?.
Perhaps I should have used the ?slowly heated toad? comparison. A slowly heated toad won?t jump out of the increasingly hot water, while a toad thrown into hot water will jump out.
And that?s like saying, ?People are being sucked into the New-Movie propaganda frame of mind, gradually, slowly, so that they don?t notice it and so that in the future they won?t notice that they haven?t seen a good ?classic? movie on this channel for a couple of years, while they are still paying extra for this channel so they can see classic movies.?
This is what happened with AMC. Being in the news business at the time, I saw it right away when the change began to take place, when they started their own stupid radio mystery show satire of old radio mystery shows. I could tell they were prepping us for a big format change.
If we had had the internet and some fighters back when AMC first began to go astray, we might have been able to save AMC.
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If you think you know the title, you can type the title into Google, along with imdb and that will bring up a listing for the movie.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078199/
I saw part of that movie and found it boring, so I turned it off.
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> "It?s called a ?metaphor?. Look
> it up."
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> Actually, I think it is an analogy - and a ridiculous
> one at that.
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> kjk
No, it's a metaphor. If it were an "analogy", you really would be sent off to a concentration camp. But as a metaphor, you are going to pay for more crappy modern movies on a channel called Turner CLASSIC Movies, just as people did for years on AMC, just as people were misled in Nazi Germany in 1936, while saying, "Doh, we might get into trouble if we complain... anyway, it can't get much worse than this."
Like these guys in their gray uniforms.... they are modern-movie watchers, watching a lecture on TV about how modern movies are better than old classic movies. You are the third one from the left, in the front row.
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> > I am grateful for what we do have at TCM.
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That attitude killed millions in Europe.
That's like being in Germany in 1936 and saying, "Oh, the government has changed alright, and we don't have the freedom of speech like we did a couple of years ago, and the Nazis can't get any worse than they are now."
And before you know it, off you go to a concentration camp.
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I certainly don?t mind well made classics of any year. I think ?Schindler?s List? is a classic. Maybe the first ?Jurassic Park? is a classic. There were classics made in the ?50s-?90s. But also, there were a lot of turkeys made too, and that?s why no other channels shows them and why we haven?t seen them in theaters that show old classic films in New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.
But I just don?t quite get the films like some of John Wayne?s last films being on TCM. They are already shown on other channels quite frequently. And the Bob Hope and Lucy films of the ?60s, which weren?t any good when they first came out and nobody remembers them as ?classics?.
?Four Weddings and a Funeral? (1994), is that any kind of ?classic??
Is ?Sounder? (1972) any kind of ?classic?? It?s shown on other channels, so why am I paying more for TCM to show it?
?Sayonara? (1957)? How many times to they need to show that in a year before they realize that anyone who likes the film can tape it? Once a year or once every two years for this film is enough.
?The Silence Of The Lambs? (1991)? Gag!
?Quiz Show? (1994)? Is this a ?classic? or a turkey? What?s it doing on TCM?
?North By Northwest? (1959)? Ok, it?s sort of a classic, but do we need to see it every month, or can we record it if we like it? How about showing it just once a year?
?Crimson Tide? (1995)? Ok, how many more modern ?crazy guy takes over submarine? movies do we need? I?d rather see Warren William in ?The Match King?, or Barbara Stanwyck in ?The Bitter Tea of General Yen?.
We finally got the classic ?Rain?, after years of begging for it, and after years of repeats of modern junk.
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Of course. If it cost all that much to dub to digital we wouldn't be seeing any Bowrey Boys or The Saint or Boston **** on TCM.
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> I was just trying to point out some of the reasons
> for why we haven't seen some of the more obscure
> titles that we enjoyed on TCM ten years ago.
You are wrong.
Dubbing a 16mm or 35 mm to digital video tape is no more expensive than dubbing the same film to any other format of tape.
They are showing fewer obscure old titles now because of a management decision to try to go for a different audience, and to save money renting tapes that nobody else wants. That's why they fired their long-time program director. This is a corporate decision change that we've all been reading about and seeing. That's just what AMC did after a few years. Just like they decided to show the Japanese Anime crap, rather than classic old films. Just like we are seeing junk from the 1950s, - '90s, rather than old classic films. Just like we are seeing junk academy award films from the '70s, and fewer from the '30s and '40s. Zoom, zoom, zoom. Plus, they are repeating films more. The more they show them, the cheaper they are to rent.
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Hunkability?
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Ha Ha, it's a mix of "The Rains of Ranchipur" and "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof". She's a young "Maggie the Cat" in this movie. Instead of Mississippi, it's Shri Lanca.
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> The lesser known, more obscure films, however, are a
> harder sell and typically don't have the sales
> numbers that modern films, boxed sets of modern
> television, classic tv showsor the beloved classics
> have.
Oh, come on! If they can afford to put "Boston ****" and "The Saint" films on digital, they can put anything on digital, and I pay to see these old films on TCM.
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> It doesn't cost any more to dub a 1933 film to
> digital than it does to dub a 1995 film to
> digital.>>
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> But they will make more money faster with the 1995
> film in rentals and sales of DVDs.
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Not from me. I'm not paying extra for that crap. I get it already on 5 or 6 channels that show modern junk movies, and I'm not going to pay TCM to see it on TCM.
The way you are talking, we'd might as well do away with TCM all together, get rid of all movies made before the '90s, just show modern movies, and just go with AMC, TBS, TNT, and half a dozen other channels that show new movies.
You must work for a modern movie dubbing service out in L.A. That's why you keep promoting modern movies on TCM and on tape and DVD. Shame on you.
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> Thanks Fred - Your perspective is the one I really
> wanted to hear. I started watching TCM from it's
> inception and find what they have programmed these
> days less appealing these days or are films that can
> be rented or seen on another station. I'm 45, and
> used to go religiously to the revival houses in NY in
> the late 1970s and early 80s. When VHS put many of
> those revival houses out of business, AMC and TCM
> were great outlets. AMC went the way of the birds.
> Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen to TCM.
> Best, PF
Thanks,
I started watching the classic films back on TV in the early 1950s, when the studios made a little money renting them to local TV stations, and where they would not compete with their new Cinemascope, Technicolor productions.
Then I saw a few more rare ones at special University showings, and at independent theaters. I saw "Citizen Kane" at a small theater in New York around 1964.
When I lived in New Orleans, San Francisco, and L.A., there were revival theaters where they showed them.
Then when AMC came on the air, they showed many hundreds of them, but later some idiot decided to turn AMC into a "Woman's Channel". That lasted for a few years then it changed again into a "common cheap TV movie channel", while TCM took over showing the classics.
Now there are fewer classics on TCM, the same films are shown more often, and the modern films are being shown and shown more often. When a film is being shown more often, that means the network gets a discount on the rental fee for each showing. You know, cheaper by the dozen.
The extra price I paid for TCM on my satellite service helped boost my service up from $22 to now it is $49 dollars, and now I'm getting fewer classic films on TCM than I was before. I'm paying more and getting less, which is just what happened with ACM. I complain about this because I am paying for the TCM service, and it is not giving me what I originally ordered.
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> Any film already available on a 35 mm or 16 mm print
> or on any kind of video tape can be converted to
> "digital" with one standard dub of the film. >>
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> Yes Fred,
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> But it costs money to dub them to digital tape. They
> don't just grab the old analog tape and dub it
> across.
That's nonsense. It doesn't cost any more to dub a 1933 film to digital than it does to dub a 1995 film to digital. Anyway, most of the best of the old films are already on digitial.
Not only are they showing more crappy modern films, but they are re-running them more frequently.
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> And that doesn't include all the other reasons that
> TCM can not show every film ever made.
That is nonsense! We aren't demanding to see "every fillm ever made".
We are demanding to see the "classics" that we saw on TCM in Prime Time just two or three years ago, shown on Prime Time again, with all this 1950s - '90s crap shown at 3 AM.
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I've already explained to you that all they have to do to convert a film into "digital" video is show it on a standard TV film projector and record it on a digital recorder.
Any film already available on a 35 mm or 16 mm print or on any kind of video tape can be converted to "digital" with one standard dub of the film.
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> For many of you, this will be a rehash of a post I
> have done more than once:
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> Thirteen years ago when TCM became a network, we were
> not in the digital server age but a video tape server
> age.
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That's a bunch of hooey.
TCM is showing more modern movies because of a management decision, just like AMC did. And TCM is losing its traditional viewer base because of all this modern crap they are showing, and because they are putting their old classical films on the air at 3 AM in the morning, when none of us old movie fans can watch them. Then they screw up on the timing of their films and we can't even tape them.
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ABOVE SUSPICION
RASHOMON
FLIGHT
TOBACCO ROAD
MIRACLE OF THE BELLS
DESRAELI
SEVEN SAMURAI
BLOW-UP
JUAREZ
THE MAGIC BULLET
SVENGALI
WHAT PRICE HOLLYWOOD
STAR WITNESS
THEY WON?T BELIEVE ME
TRIUMPH OF THE WILL
OLYMPIA
UNCLE HARRY
MISSION TO MOSCOW
OSS
THE BLUE ANGEL
THE GENERAL DIES AT DAWN
STEAMBOAT BILL JR.
THE NAVIGATOR
CAPTAIN FROM CASTILE
THE SEVENTH CROSS
PHANTOM LADY
STANLEY AND LIVINGSTON
NIGHT OF THE IGUANA
JOHNNIE BELINDA
THE SIN OF MADELEN CLAUDET
OPERATOR
SORCERER
ALL THIS AND HEAVEN TOO
LONE STAR
THE GENERAL
WILD BOYS OF THE ROAD
JOURNEY INTO FEAR
MIRACLE IN THE RAIN
EMIEL ZOLA
LOUIS PASTEUR
WHITE CARGO
MACAO
THE SEVENTH VICTIM
HOUSE OF SEVEN GABLES
PAYMENT DEFERRED
SALT OF THE EARTH
Warner Baxter films Thursday PM
in General Discussions
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Two rare Warner Baxter films coming up starting at 5 pm Thursday:
Penthouse 1933
The Robin Hood of El Dorado 1936
Also be sure to watch for the Warner Baxter in some of his "Crime Doctor" movies from the 1940s. I'm not sure when the next one will be on, but two have aired recently.