FredCDobbs
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> I guess that's an "explanation" of sorts, but I
> disagree with it and it's just plain wrong, LOL...
> Will just have to make little notations of "real"
> day on the side.
Yes, that's a peculiar thing about the TCM schedule. I have to mark up nearly every page of the print-out since all my recorders require the proper date in order to catch the movies I want to record. If I set the recorders using the early morning TCM date, my recorder will turn on a day too early.
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> Oswald was a "front man" who got caught in a
> twister he never saw coming!
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> I agree. It only serves to fuel my disbelief in
> anything else the government would like us to believe
> because 'they' say so.
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Oswald was a manipulator of people. He played political tricks and games on people. He played spy and ?revolutionary?. This is why he left such a twisted trail. But this was all his doing. Even his motive was a trick.
It's like the way people are being manipulated right here and now to fall for ken?s leftist political propaganda tricks, on a ?classic movie? message board.
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Several years ago, I think on TCM, I saw a rare copy of this film that had a WC Fields episode in it. But IMDB doesn't list the WC Fields episode, and most copies don't have it.
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My best Saturday morning memories are from around '52 and '53, in a couple of small towns in Alabama. I think the shows were .10 cents for us kids then and they were long, with the double feature and all the extras and cartoons. By the late '50s I lived in a bigger city, I was older, and we had TV by then.
In the late '40s I lived in very small towns in Montana and Nebraska, and most of the Saturday morning shows were westerns. I thought the whole US was "western" since I lived in the west and the movies were about the west.
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Did you notice how harshly everyone spoke to each other?
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I wanted to see it because it was a Nazi propaganda film. I can't imagine Nazis bothering to make movies in 1943. Seems to me they had their hands full already.
I always thought the ship was going too fast at night through an ice field, and this is the only movie that has shown it so far.
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The Seventh Victim is really a grim movie.
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> Now was the girl the daughter of his second wife?
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Yes, I think so.
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Thanks for the info.
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> I doubt many of us can
> really defend the relentless military pogrom waged
> against the native tribes of the 19th Century
> American West by the U.S. Army, but most of us,
> regardless, can still find a comfortable level on
> which to appreciate the cinematic artistry &
> entertainment of a John Ford cavalry epic, right?
Actually.... did you know that the Hopis, Zunis, and most of the other pueblo tribes requested to have ?reservations? assigned to them by the federal government to keep white settlers from settling on their native land? In the East, most of the major tribes gradually disappeared because of inter-marriages between the whites and the Indians.
What happened out West was that some tribes were ?wild? and some were not. Some were raiders while others were farmers. Most of the pueblo Indians were farmers and not raiders. The Apaches and some of the Navajos and other tribes were raiders and not farmers. Before Europeans came over, they existed not by farming but by raiding the villages of the farmer Indians, and that is why many of the farmer Indians built their villages on the sides of mountains in the form of cliff dwellings. The Acomas, for example, built their main village on top of a tall mesa 1,200 years ago and they still live there. The Hopis did the same thing and they still live in their ancient villages.
What actually happened with the US military being sent out West after the Civil War was to try to contain and calm down the ?wild? Indians, while leaving the peaceful farmer Indians unmolested. Unfortunately, this fact doesn?t show up in most Indian movies, and I don?t know of any Indian movie about the peaceful Acomas, Lagunas, Zunis and other pueblo Indians. What good is a cowboy and Indian movie if everyone gets along? That was Hollywood?s attitude.
So, what the cavalry in John Wayne movies was sent out to do was to try to pacify the wild Indians and those who would not calm down and settle down like everyone else, then they were pursued and subdued.
Every now and then there was an old Indian movie in which one of the Apache chiefs would say, ?We don?t want to be farmers. We are warriors (or ?raiders?). We take what we want,? and that?s the way it really was. The Apaches just hated the idea of settling down and becoming farmers. For hundreds of years they has supported themselves by attacking and stealing from the peaceful pueblo Indians, and the pueblo Indians were all in favor of the US cavalry trying to calm down or subdue the wild Apaches and other wild tribes.
I didn?t learn this stuff until I moved out here into the West. There is still so much empty land out here, nobody needs to steal any land from anyone else. The ?Indian Wars? was mainly a matter of more and more Eastern settlers coming out here (by the dozens, not by the millions), settling on totally empty land, many miles away from any Indian village, yet being attacked eventually by the roving bands of wild Indians, which, for the first couple of hundred years after the Spanish arrived in the early 1600s, were always on foot and didn?t learn how to ride horses until later. They never learned how to use the old muzzle loading rifles, so they didn?t use rifles until after the breech-loaders were invented toward the end of the Civil War. The Western Indian Wars lasted for only about 25 to 30 years, and mainly after the Civil War had ended.
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I suppose the writers of all four scripts got a lot of information out of the official government investigation reports. Copies would be available in large libraries. They are still available at high prices today....
And I suppose that any number of script writers would add various romances and intrigues, and this might account for the similarity of the four films.
I wonder if the 1943 German film was available to each of the script writers over the years?
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> I Saw It On TV earlyer today. I Watched it for maybe
> 2 minutes then i was like... this dosent make sense
> to me. I Suppose it was towards the end of the movie.
> I saw.... They were multiplying 3000 by something or
> something like that. Then Whoever got it got a kiss
> by this chick.. then they both got kisses. So
> anyways... Yeah then i turned the channel..ahem. love
> love
They were trying to convert sea knots to miles per hour. That didn't have much to do with the rest of the movie.
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Thanks for the information.
Do you know if there was a blue diamond aboard the Titanic?
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Face it, the movie is an extreme fantasy.
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> I loved all the scheming goin' on right from the
> get-go. It's certainly not the only Titanic
> movie to take a few liberties in the screenplay,
I wonder why the real ship went so fast, at night, when they knew there was ice in the area?
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Do you know anything about the SOS rockets? I think one film used white rockets, the most recent film used red. The German film says they used white because they didn't have a supply of red.
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> Fred, I was referring to Sweetbabykmd's post just a
> few minutes before mine. I'm sorry, I just hit "reply
> to thread". I didn't see the point in replying to her
> when she supposedly has me on permanent ignore.
Ok, no problem.
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Here is the story of the nearby ship that did not go to the rescue:
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I've been searching a list of rare books about the Titanic. Apparently the company owner, Bruce Ismay, was on board the ship and he did escape in a lifeboat. See this link...
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Wow, what a fascinating film!
Since so many of the plot elements are so similar in all the Titanic films, I wonder if there was a famous book on which they are all based? Does anyone know?
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> Very funny ! Howie Hunt said Johnson had a role in
> the JFK shooting, maybe Mr. Hunt is a ' Card -
> Carrying Communist ".
Excuse me but this is a classic movie forum. Stop stealing TCM bandwidth for your inane political rants. Go pay for your own blog space.
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> Calling unitary Government a radical idea for the
> American system A Red Speech !--- This is a joke
> isn't it !. Hasn't Bush expanded Executive Power to
> unprecedented heights ? Or are you just trying to
> bait me and not interested in defending your
> positions ?---- Please name that " Dirty Red " who
> wanted to kick out the Hayes code !
Man, you've got it bad. I expect you to start shouting "Free Tom Mooney" and "Save the Rosenbergs" any minute.
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>Watergate plumber
> " E. Howard Hunt fingers President Lyndon B. Johnson
> as a prime suspect in Predident Kennedy's
> assinassation.
Oswald did it, and there's nothing you can do about it but try to blame it on people you hate.
This is a movie forum, not the Daily Worker.
The Plot to Seize the White House !
in Your Favorites
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>This is an ongoing 43 year
> dispute that should be discussed even on a "Classic
> Movie" board! We are Americans and do have the
> right to assemble no matter what vehicle is used, and
> we have the right to express our opinions as stated
> in the Constitution.
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> Bartlett
Lol, that?s on public property. This is private property. Pay for your own bandwidth if you want to promote ken?s leftist propaganda.
This is what the old-time Communists used to do in the US. They would join all sorts of local clubs and associations, many of them not even related to politics, and then they would gradually start to bring up topics that the Party wanted to promote. This was known as ?co-opting? the organization for Communist purposes. That?s what ken has been doing with this board, ?co-opting? various threads and turning them to his own political propaganda advantage.