FredCDobbs
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> This thread was dead for some time, I didn't revive
> it. Lucky Dan is another Pro- Blacklist poster on
> this site, there are plenty of right wingers here .
> If the movies become more vulgar and violent in the
> sixties, which they did, it is because of greed that
> they did so. It made money, Capitalism is an amoral
> system, if it makes money, it is good. Read Chomsky
> and Zinn for a more balanced perspective than you
> have now .
No, Chomsky and Zinn should read me.
It was the communists in Hollywood who were at the forefront of trying to destroy the old Hays Code. They succeeded and look what happend.... vulgar violent crappy movies from then on. The Hays Code was put into effect originally by decent people to try to stop some of that exploitation type of greed, and the commies worked for years to kill the code. They finally succeeded. They hated it because it was based on the original religious Catholic code, and they hated religion.
So decent people flock here so they can see the old code movies and get away from most of the modern vulgarity and violence.
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> Yeah I apologize, I was writing to another respondant
> earlier on the thread. So many people wrote on this
> one. I get in a hurry and see a comment I will post
> reply to thread, instead of the individual. My bad.
> Sorry
Oh, heck, don't worry about it. Apparently if someone posts to the tread in general, the program goes back and lists the name of the original poster to the thread, or something like that.
I think we should all probably limit our griping strictly to specific movies, rather than about individual posters. Art is in the eye of the beholder, and we all are individual beholders. I started this thread because of a real rash of bad movies shown early last year. I mean, what great classic movie fan begs to see "Shampoo" or "The Bad News Bears"? These movies are so bad, none of the other channels will show them.
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Why don't you produce "A Salute to Joseph Stalin, The Man and his Times"?
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> Name calling ( calling leftist whiners ) doesn't';t
> advance your arguments.
I'm just trying to entertain you. You started a controversial thread to attract some attention, didn't you? Well, here I am. What would you do without me.
Anyway, what ruined the old classic film noir movie styles in the '50s was television, when Hollywood suddenly turned to color and Cinemascope, and then the fall of the old studio system. Film noir doesn't work well in color and Cinemascope.
I saw this film a few months ago, and look at the great cast:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046791/
It was an old ?noir? type mystery movie, but it looked odd in bright color and wide screen. The lighting was flat, straight-on lighting, nothing creative. It was filmed like a stage play. Not very good.
It was a good story, a good cast, but nothing creative or traditional in it. This was because of TV. More people started staying home on the weekend in the ?50s to watch free movies in the form of TV shows.
In the ?60s they started adding more sex and cursing to attract people back to the movies, and the movies became more liberal and leftist than ever before, and that was the fall of old Hollywood and the classic movie era. And the ?70s was the worst decade of all for the movies.... zoom...zoom...zoom....zoom. In between the zooms.... cuss, cuss, cuss.
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> What are you addressing this to me for?
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> Fred, I think some people have forgotten to reply to
> the actual person who wrote what they're quoting;
> they're replying to the thread, instead of to a
> particular post.
> Bill
Thanks Bill.
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>we always have yutz's come on and start
> programming battles.
Calling people names reveals your immaturity. This is what I warned about when TCM started showing the kiddie Anime movies, a bunch of rude anti-social immature crackpots coming on and ruining these threads with a lot of personal attacks, instead of sticking to the discussion of movies.
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> That is right, you said a year ago the end was near,
> oddly enough TCM has increased it's audience by 14
> pecent. Me, I am just glad to have TCM on my cable,
> with movies like "The Killers" and "Thunder Road",
Yeah, that's because I pointed out all the new crappy movies from the ?70s they were starting to show a year ago and people began to rebel against it. If TCM loses the classic film lovers, they'll lose their traditional, vast, and well-established cable and satellite subscriber base.
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I think I saw Rita Hayworth in it as the Spanish dancer Rita Casino.
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Ok, don't forget. The 1943 German version of "Titanic" is coming up right after Metropolis.
I can't wait! 1943 Nazis playing passengers and crew member of the Titanic! The director was hanged for offending the Nazis. Geeze, I thought I had had some bad bosses while working in the media.
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> Uh OH, me thinks the thought police have put a filter
> on....Let me try this title that aired on TCM in Oct.
> If they can't let me even write it, they shouldn't
> show it. "Faster **** Cat, Kill, Kill"
What in the heck are you yapping about?
Are you trying to type "Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill"?
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> See what I mean? The facts are not going to interfere
> with these people's perceptions. Or their
> determination that they can't be wrong.
What are you addressing this to me for? I haven't posted on this thread in nearly a year. Go back and read my original posts and the original movies I complained about. I'll be responsible for the movies I complain about and let others be responsible for the movies they complain about.
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> As long as TCM still shows wonderful black and white
> movies with the ethereal drama of the human spirit,
> films like" MudHoney"," Faster **** Cat Kill Kill,"
> I will always be a loyal viewer. No where else on
> television is such high art shown to the select few,
> whom are qualified to view such cinematic
> masterworks. TCM is a gem and will never die when
> programming like this exists. I appreciate
> programmers who understand high art and culture and
> appeal to that distinguished and educated viewer.
> Now, all they have to do to make my viewing complete
> is to air" Curse of the Slime People", and other lost
> teasures of the same ilk.
Why did you address that post to me? I never complained about those movies. Go back to my original post of a year ago to see the specific movies I complained about. I don't mind if TCM occasionally shows a weird movie for an occasional weird viewer. I just don't like crappy '70s films like "The Bad News Bears" and "Shampoo". Stuff like that.
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I think I just saw Rita Hayworth dancing as Rita Cansino in "Three Smart Girls" (1936). She was uncredited, but she was dancing the same as she did in "Dante's Inferno" (1935) where she was credited. Same hairstyle too.
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>He was a party
> member for only a few months.
Who cares? The studios wouldn't let me on the lots in the '70s to take pictures for my magazine because I wasn't in a union, even though my pictures would have promoted their movies and being in a union wasn't required for magazine work. Non-union people were blacklisted during the past 70 years in Hollywood. Hundreds of non-union people were blacklisted. Blacks were blacklisted from working at the studios in technical jobs in the '30s and '40s.
The biggest thing that hurt Hollywood in the '50s was TV. Your leftist political whining is way out of date.
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Max Steiner fans should make a point to see "Symphony of Six Million" (1932) next time it's on TCM. The music makes the audience cry every time.
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These guys are so important. Their music helps make a movie great.
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> do you think that i have watched too much tcm???... i
> am able to recognize a max steiner film score... I
> love his music.. jezabel and gone with the wind are
> my favorites.
Lol, yeah, me too! He's great. He also did King Kong. There is a little theme in King Kong that is also in "The Big Sleep".
I wonder how a guy could write so much?
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>the actors
> blacklisted didn't start back to work in Hollywood
> films until the early sixties.
Well boo hoo hoo. Hollywood producers, studio heads, and the unions blacklisted people for years for reasons that had nothing to do with politics. When communists were in charge of productions, they blacklisted conservatives. Such is the way of a monopoly industry.
You keep living in the '50s but hey, this is the 21st Century. Your side lost the cold war. Give it up. Forget it. It's a world economy now.
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> Just thinking out loud,
> but what genre of films suffered more from the
> blacklist than noir?
Noir suffered from a lack of creative ideas. There hasn't been a "blacklist" in 50 years, and there hasn't been a good noir in 60.
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Yes, that's the name of it. About a crazy old guy who invented a robot.
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I don't think the film was very popular. It was sort of depressing too.
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She was popular in Italian films in the '50s, like Melina Mercouri was popular in Greek films. So Hollywood put both of them in a few American movies as the leading ladies.
I think the Brando character was trying to hide out so he needed a job in that small Mississippi town, and she offered him a job.
I thought the movie was sad because most of the characters were quite sleazy.
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Anyone here see "The Fugitive Kind" when it was shown on TCM a few years ago?
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> Robert Osborne has a thankless role this evening in
> introducing " The Treasure of the Sierra Madre ", co-
> hostess Molly Haskel can barely contain her utter
> disdain for this GREAT film.
She said Fred C. Dobbs just suddenly went crazy for no reason. The woman has apparently seen the film just one time. It takes a while to spot the times and places where Dobbs shows signs of instability. He shows it even while in Tampico.
Then there was that bump on the head during the mine cave-in. And Dobbs thinking he?s doing a lot of work for not enough gold. Then he starts brooding over putting up more money than Curtin did, and he?s trying to figure out a way to get some of Curtin?s percentage of gold because of the extra money he put up. Then he gets paranoid about the other two guys finding and stealing his gold. Gradually he gets the idea of stealing all their gold.
Anyway, Howard already warned the guys in the Oso Negro that gold ?changes men?s souls?. Look at what it did to Cody.
Molly wouldn?t know the difference between a placer mine, a hard rock mine, or a hydraulic mine, and she is not qualified to discuss this film.
NOIR AS LEFTIST POLITICAL FILMS!
in Film Noir--Gangster
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> Please ame one " Communist " who was trying to undo
> the Hays code.! Is the American political - economic
> system so sacrosanct that it cannot be criticized ?
> ALL man made political - economicsystems aare
> imperfect, it is up to man to make that system,
> whatever it is more humane. Unfettered Capitalism is
> not a just or fair system, just as an unfettered "
> Socialist System " need checks and balances. It is
> too bad the this so - called Conservative
> Administration is in fact, when it comes to executive
> power, the most radical in American History.
Man, you've lost it. You aren't even talking about movies anymore. You are giving a streetcorner commie speech like you are standing on a soapbox on a sidewalk in the Village in New York, circa 1953.