JonParker
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Kevin Brownlow did a five and a half hour restoration with a Carl Davis score, expanded from his 1981 restoration. Francis Ford Coppola has exclusive rights to the three and a half hour version with a score by his father, Carmine Coppola. When Brownlow showed his restoration in London, Coppola sued to stop it.
Brownlow went ahead with the showing anyway, but until the legal issues are resolved, the longer version is unavailable. It's a damn shame that audiences aren't being allowed to see the most complete version of this masterpiece.
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I really miss MST3K. It was one of the best TV shows ever. I have most of the episodes, either on DVD or as .avi files.
That reminds me of another great candidate for the list: Roger Corman's "The Undead." Simply appalling, but fun.
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I can't believe it. I go away for a couple of days and you people start a thread on a topic that's near and dear to me.
I would have to add "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls."
And of course, the movie that dethroned "Plan 9" for the worst movie ever made - "Battlefield Earth."
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I'm failing to see where the money is. TCM accepts no advertising. Marketing dollars aren't being spent there. Am I missing something?
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Hi JonParker!
Is there a point to this?
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1) to the poster that said TCM is adding programming, not removing it -
you have to remove something to add something else if you're already running 24/7 which TCM is. The question is - Are they adding something better than what they are removing?
Ok, but it's not like they're taking off my favorite, "Silent Sunday Nights" or those horrible musicals they show on weekend mornings to make room for it.
I think the real point here is that people watch to see classic films that interest them. I would gag if I had to sit through "Showboat" or "In the Good Old Summertime," but I'm not pitching a fit because TCM programs that sort of thing. I don't expect everyone to be a pre-code and silent fan like me.
They aren't going to stop showing the programming that interests you. Unless your point is that they should be pleasing you 24/7, then there's nothing in my post for you to object to.
TCM Underground sounds awesome, and I'm really looking forward to it.
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I'm curious to know who disappointed you and why you felt that way. I generally don't have that big of an interest in their conduct, although I've always despised that famous cowardly chickenhawk John Wayne. Note that I'm using chickenhawk here to mean someone who evades military service while being a big war supporter, not someone who dates people who are younger.
In general though, movie stars are people, and I doubt most of us would come off looking perfect if someone chronicled every detail of our own lives.
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I'm glad someone got around to mentioning Louise Brooks, even if they did have her in second place.
Alice Terry was breathtakingly gorgeous.
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I appreciate the time you took to explain this to me but I don't think many parents would like to see their children biting off the head of a snake as Mr. Cooper did in the 60's. It's better to be safe than sorry and I can't assume anything in this day and age.
Alice Cooper was the 70s, and I wouldn't care if my son saw it. I've never censored anything he wanted to watch, with the ultimate result that he's a lot less willing to watch stuff simply because it contains offensive material. In fact, his first word was "Beavis," said while we were watching the MTV series "Beavis and Butthead" (which in fact is the show that made a star of Mr. Zombie).
Regardless, I don't think of TCM as a "family channel" in any way, and admire their willingness not to censor movies to keep a small segment of their customer base happy. The viewing experience is cheapened by altering the film, whether it's cutting language and nudity or showing widescreen films in pan and scan.
Film is an art form, and should no more be cut or altered than Michaelangelo's David should be displayed wearing a loincloth.
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That stirs people to anger and disgust because I think we are expecting him to be some crazy-haired, drugged out freak who doesn't even know he is on camera.
That pretty much describes Rob Zombie. On the other hand, you only have to look at the name of his band, White Zombie, to know that he's a guy who truly appreciates cult films.
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That explains your attitude just take it away from you and don't complain Survivors Law The noisiest wheel gets the most grease.
Take what away? They are adding programming, not removing it. You're certainly a noisy wheel but not necessarily a coherent one.
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" I don't understand all the outrage " Sort of reminds me of that newsclip of Chamberlin waving a peace agreement with Hitler saying "War No More"
"Godwin's Law
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is, in Internet culture, an adage originated in 1990 by Mike Godwin that states:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress."
I think all this complaining over programming that no one will force you to watch is pretty silly, but what do I know. I'm just a Goth hippie freak.
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"Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" is one of my favorites. The line "you shall taste the black **** of my vengeance" is probably the best single bit of dialogue ever in a movie.
Two cult movies that REALLY need to be shown on TCM, or even better released on DVD are Phillip Ridgley's "The Passion of Darkly Noon" and "The Reflecting Skin." I have no idea why these aren't available.
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Buster Keaton. Funniest man ever.
I can't stand The Three Stooges.
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I don't know if Keaton used a double or not, but somebody did the stunts and either way, they had more courage than I do. I shudder when I see the house fall in Steamboat Bill. Almost close my eyes.
Keaton did all his own stunts in "The General."
In Kerr's book he claims that Keaton had about a 3" clearance on both sides for the window, and everyone on the set was trying to talk him out of it. Supposedly quite a few of the crew refused to watch.
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Ok, the series thing does sound pretty bad, but I'm looking forward to the Rob Zombie series, and most of the meat-life people I mentioned it to think it sounds great (which probably gives you some idea of what my friends are like).
I'm not sure why everyone is whining about this. If they were showing commercials it would be one thing (and if that happens I'm gone), but expanding their programming is just fine with me.
I don't understand all the outrage. Are you people quivering in fear that they might have to cut out one of their weekly showings of "The Philadephia Story" or "Horse Feathers?"
Trust me, you'll survive.
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TCM showed Napoleon a few years ago. I have it on VHS. I wish they would show it again so that I could get it directly onto DVD.
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I've long said that we need a Roger Corman Channel.
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I need to correct my previous post. Keaton did not use stunt doubles, he used a stunt double (in College). According to Walter Kerr's The Silent Clowns, he only did it once for a stunt that he couldn't perform.
I seem to remember reading that he had used doubles on other occasions, but I am quite willing to let Kerr be the authority.
That said, my original point was that the use of stunt doubles was commonplace by the 1920s. One of the episodes of Kevin Brownlow's Hollywood: The Pioneers deals with the evolution of stunt doubles in early Hollywood.
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They did not use stunt doubles then.
Yes they did, quite frequently. Buster used stunt doubles, although a lot of times when he wasn't getting what he wanted from the double he'd jump in and do the stunt himself. He was also known to end up being the stunt double for his supporting players on occasion.
I don't want to take anything away from Keaton, whom I worship, but he did not do all his own stunts (although he did more of them than most actors).
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I agree with you Fred. There are ways to get younger viewers to TCM without tampering with the programming.
Replacing Robert Osbourne with Jenna Jameson should do it.
Actually, the Rob Zombie series sounds cool. I'll definitely be checking that one out.
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I have no problem with the language in films, but I was a bit taken aback hearing Robert Osbourne say "****" the other night. He was referring to Penn and Teller's TV show, but I still did a double take.
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To me [raised in the north with a special love for the negro]..
That's pretty much where I quit reading. Sheesh.
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They're black and white! There's no CGI effects or action or nudity!
I find it amazing that this kind of thing gets posted here, of all places. Yes, there's no CGI effects, but there's color going back to the early 20s (before that if you want to count hand tinting), plenty of action (watch The Public Enemy or Scarface, nearly any of Douglas Fairbanks's swashbucklers, the silent Ben Hur, or D.W. Griffith's epics), and plenty of nudity as well in the silent and pre-code films.
Do politics factor into your decision to watch a film?
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As someone whose politics, without changing much, qualified me as a political moderate in 1986 and a ranting whackjob Bush-and-America hating moonbat in 2006, I think it makes more difference to me with modern film than it does when watching classic movies. Wayne was a chickenhawk, but I still love The Searchers and Stagecoach. Eugene Pallette was a far right wing loony, but I love watching him on screen.
It does factor into my enjoyment of modern films and TV though. I can't watch an episode of Frasier since I heard Kelsey Grammar playing kissy-face with Sean Hannity. I've lost all respect for Dennis Hopper as well. Part of this is disgust over the misery and death that the modern Republican party is bringing to our soldiers and the Middle East -- it's not just politics, it's human lives. Part of it is that since the GOP took over, there is no value in trying to bridge the aisle -- they govern as though the half of the country that disagrees with them doesn't exist. It's difficult for me to find anything to like about those on the right in this atmosphere, and that extends to actors.
I strongly disagree with those who think that stars should not comment on politics. I comment on politics all the time in other forums, and the fact that my job has nothing to to with politics is irrelevant. It's the same with a movie star -- they have an absolute right to express their opinion and raise funds for their candidates. The fact that the press wants to cover it is not something we should hold against them, although we're certainly justified in finding those views abhorrent.