traceyk65
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> {quote:title=LuckyDan wrote:}{quote}
>. Out of our regard to them we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect. They then told us that Ligonier had been attacked, but that the Enemy were beat of+*
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Of course you could argue that that "regard" might not have been benign...why, knowing how contagious small pox was would they think that giving the indians blankets and a handkercheif from a small pox hospital could possibly have been a good thing?
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> {quote:title=jbh wrote:}{quote}
> Did yall know that the smallpox virus was used as perhaps the first biological weapon against the Native Americans by the Europeans? Infected blankets were given to the unsuspecting victims, and the epidemic began with the satisfying results of viral death, thus saving physical warfare, the lives of the "insurgents," their ammunition, and generally providing easier sleeping by the courageous founders of our country.
Andrew Jackson okayed that one, I believe. And we put him on the $20 bill...
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> The Western settlers used some Indians as slaves, but they found they didn?t make good slaves. Thus the importation of Africans. The Indians were used as workers where possible, and they were left alone in many tribes, and they intermarried with Spanish, English, and other Europeans. Many Americans today have Indians in their ancestry. The ones that were attacked and wiped out were the raiders, robbers, killers, and kidnappers, such as the fate of the Natchez Indians, wiped out by the French after the Natchez Indians wiped out most of the French at Fort Rosalie.
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Europeans did NOT leave the tribes alone. They moved in, chopped down the trees and cleared land that the tribes needed to support their hunter/gatherer lifestyle. (And before someone jumps on that, I realize that some Native Americans were farmers and so forth--they didn't come off so well either) When the tribes fought back, the English, French and later US govt sent in troops with superior weapons and forced them out. When they had to, they made treaties with various tribes, few of which were actually honored and kept forcing them West, usually onto land that was far inferior to the land they'd been living on. (Can anyone argue for instance that Oklahoma is better than the Tennesee-N Carolina area where the Cherokees used to live?)
And what about the Trail of Tears and the pox-infected blankets? Leave them alone my Aunt Fanny...
Edited by: traceyk65 on Mar 5, 2011 6:40 PM
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> > Yeah that's part of it, but I also have a problem w/ film noir--the guys are always duking it out and worse, they seem to always be shaking or smacking the woman. Not cool.
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> > And I like film noir.
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> Hey, if we're talkin' violence in film noir it sends it up to a whole new level. Have you seen *The Big Heat* ? how about that scalding coffee Lee Marvin tosses into lovely Gloria Graham's face? Almost equals some of the nastiness in movies today.
> And yeah, people are always getting thoroughly thrashed, trashed, and dumped in a back alley for dead. I will say, though, that the camera often focuses more on the punchers than the punched; often all you see of them is their battered bodies slumped over the garbage cans. That's frequently the "warning" from the bad guys to "stay out" of it (whatever "it" may be.)
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> Edited by: misswonderly on Mar 5, 2011 11:46 AM
Exactly. We can't ignore it, just because it's in a classic movie.
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*Birthdays today:*
*Pearl White*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2laGT8q_I&feature=fvwrel
*Dorothy Mackaill*
Safe in Hell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlMBoIG3LOA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWb1R39UAj4&feature=related
*John Garfield*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bSrk_cnmk8&playnext=1&list=PL7DBCFC80CE14220B
Humoresque:
The Postman Always Rings Twice:
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> {quote:title=jbh wrote:}{quote}
> Tracy, I may not have clearly understood your original post, and I knew I came off really snarky. Apologies offered sincerely. I emphatically agree that people should not be knocking each other around. However, men always seem to get really turned on by girlfights, which has always seemed truly juvenile to me. I used to be horrified watching the girls on the playground in high school, rolling around on the ground, pulling each other's hair, screaming, and showing their granny panties (that dates me again). Violence seems to be the social norm these days, everywhere, so it's rather hard to ignore. As for the sex, I'm no prude. I just don't like watching others, especially teenagers, doing it. And we could really discuss these subjects for days. Again, sincere apologies. I'm really happy it's Friday.
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> Sorry I did not use your screen name properly, as I see MsW did (she is very observant). I think I probably need to put on my specs for future postings.
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> Edited by: jbh on Mar 4, 2011 9:05 PM
That's ok. Honestly, I have glorified violence in some of my posts--I think the cat fight in Destry Rides Again is very funny, for example...I just don't think that the violence in old films should be overlooked or dismissed. It's real and its there, whether we like it or not.
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> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote}
> tracey, I suspect what you were referring to in your post about violence outside of the usual venues in films is the way in old movies, people like Gary Cooper and Cary Grant will haul off and sock some guy who's ticked them off. It comes across as a kind of "defending their honour" thing. Often as not it' s their honour, although quite often it's the honour of their leading lady.
> I've noticed that it was considered not only respectable, but almost de rigeour for them to do this. They almost never end up in jail, no one presses assault charges. It often occurs in comedies .
Yeah that's part of it, but I also have a problem w/ film noir--the guys are always duking it out and worse, they seem to always be shaking or smacking the woman. Not cool.
And I like film noir.
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> {quote:title=jbh wrote:}{quote}
> So you question perfectly respectable men settling things with any type of violence in old movies? I would much prefer that to the more recent movies involving women with all kinds of weapons pursuing vendettas (Kill Bill 1 and 2 as an example). I am a great horror movie buff, if the horror movie is great, and I don't mind the gore when it is germane. But violence for violence's sake is just rather nauseating, and as for sex, just watch prime time sitcoms and series. I get sick of seeing heteros, homos, trans, bias, and everything else rolling around everywhere; sex has been introduced into everything, even egg commercials. I realize I'm ranting here, but fade-out leaves one to one's own devices, and the imagination is much more intriguing than watching two people (whatever their proclivities) swap various and sundry body fluids on the screen. Imagine watching these things appear unexpectedly during the family hour, with your 10-year-old grandchild in the room... I could go on forever but I won't. Just had to reply, 'cause this sorta touched a nerve.
Honestly, I question anyone settling things with violence. I didn't say a preferred the violence in today's movies; I was just saying that there was as much violence in old films as newer ones but the violence was just a different sort. I don't like the way men (or women) in old movies felt it was ok to smack each other around.
And I'm cool with fadeouts; I just feel there are some old movies that should have let them at least get to the fadeout.
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> {quote:title=exapno wrote:}{quote}
> Athlete: Anybody, Anywhere who has tried to play Babe Ruth -excepting, of course, The Babe himself in *Pride of the Yankees* - William Bendix was HORRIBLE......
I dunno--John Goodman didn;t do too badly. He played him as a womanizing, hard-drinking party boy, which in addition to being a great baseball player, he was.
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I keep hearing about all the sex and violence in today's movies, and yeah, there is a lot of it. But movies of the past aren;t always less violent--they're just less spectacularly violent. There are fewer fiery explosions, and there are fewer shootings. But there's quite a bit of violence; the main difference is it's personal violence. As much as I love film noir for the dialogue, the way the men think it's ok to smack the women around in those movies kinda turns me off. And everything seems to be settled between men by fistfight. And before someone jumps in and starts talking about the kind of movie made today where things are settled by gunfire, the shocking thing about violence in older movies is the way it doesn't seem to be confined to the ghetto or criminals. Perfectly respectable middle class men duke it out and no one thinks anything of it. I don;t know--is there that much difference?
I'm in agreement about the sex, though I think there are some old movies that could have done with a bit more. The first one that pops into my head is Morocco --Dietrich gives Cooper her room key and it seems that these are not the kind of people who "date" but the script gives them one chaste kiss behind a fan, then he gets arrested before they even get to a tasteful fadeout.
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> I 've noticed a lot of people on these boards have it in for the Coen brothers. They always cite violence and swearing as two evils perpetrated by the Coens in their filmmaking. I really don't understand this; they do have violence in many of their films, but they also have quite a few with no or very little violence whatsoever. ( *O Brother Where Art Thou?*, *Intolerable Cruelty*, *A Serious Man* ...)
> When they have a lot of cursing, as Kinokima observed, it's because of a certain character given to cursing.
> I do acknowledge that the Coens are not for everybody's taste, and I will be the first to concede that they've made their share of failed movies (I hesitate to use the word "bad"), but it seems that it's always the Coens who are brought up as the whipping boys for concerns over excessive violence in current cinema (nobody can accuse them of graphic sex scenes). There are other respected filmmakers who have used violence in their films that's at least as graphic and disturbing as the Coens, but nobody mentions them eg, Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino.
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> All three of the filmmakers I've named above do often use graphic violence in their movies, sometimes excessively and unnecessarily. But I would argue that these same films are about a lot more than violence, that all three of these directors tell good stories, feature three-dimensional characters , and examine serious issues. And sometimes they're funny, too.
Not to mention Raising Arizona--the main characters, even the escaped convicts don;t swear much at all. What violence there is is there for a reason. And it's a very funny movie.
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> FredCDobbs wrote:
> << Quite a lot of people stopped going to movies in theaters when they gradually turned into mostly trash. >>
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> After seeing this advertised on TV, you got a very good point. Even a Rated G movie can be suited for the dumpster. I'm simply speaking of the *quality!*
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> Edited by: hamradio on Mar 2, 2011 11:37 PM
My goodness. That's my husband up there...LOL
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> Yes, we are all thinking of the baby on her big 100. I will be at The Egyptian in Los Angeles for the *Bombshell* screening on Sunday.
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> I'm _NOT_ happy that we aren't able to celebrate this day by watching *Red Dust*, *Bombshell* or *Saratoga* on dvd. I guess we can all thank Warner home video for this. They've been stating that a Harlow set was in the works, for what? 5-6 years, and were unable to deliver.
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> Talking about dropping the ball.
OK, it's not perfect, but TCM has a set for her:
http://www.amazon.com/TCM-Greatest-Classic-Film-Collection/dp/B0047BXR1C
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> {quote:title=wouldbestar wrote:}{quote}
> I've always wondered about the swiming trunks the men wore. They are flesh colored except for a black band which makes the guys look almost nude. Throw in Jane's skin tight black halter jumpsuit and suggestive song lyrics and you wonder how it got past the code. In spite of this, her singing and dancing talents still stand out You are right about her being a good sport about the pool and letting it stay in the film.
I saw this film on the big screen last year and it was absolutely amazing! And at 30 feet high, you can see that her earrings for this number look weirdly phallic. Add that to the other factors and you're right, wouldbestar--it was a miracle it got by.
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> > I > Look at all the awards *Cabaret* won over the years in different versions. Clearly, it's no "flash in the pan!" The only musical that comes close in popularity and longevity is *Show Boat* (1927).
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> What?!?!?!?!? If you love CABARET, that's certainly fine and dandy, but to make statements such as the above, as if there was anything even remotely available to back it up, is just odd. There is nothing (not cast album sales, not Broadway tickets sold, not motion picture box office receipts, not television ratings, not movie rental fees, not show licenses leased) - NOTHING to support that statement.
OK, no sales reciepts, but here is the IBDB page. It ran for 1165 prformances first time around. That's pretty successful, I think:
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*Birthdays Today:*
*Jean Harlow:*
Red Dust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VajWLwilD58&feature=related
Libeled Lady:
*Tragic Hollywood Deaths:*
James Dean:
Carole Lombard:
Marilyn:
Valentino:
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My favorite number from the film:
My favorite number NOT in the film:
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> Then came the Broadway play I Am a Camera. Julie Harris played Sally Bowles and was awarded a Tony for Best Actress. John Kander and Fred Ebb wrote the musical score. The songs are considered among the best ever written for a musical comedy.
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Julie Harris?? As in Member of the Wedding and The Haunting of Hill House??? I can't picture her int his role...
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> {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote}
> How about O Meets Othello, and makes him forget Desdemona...
as long as he brings enough toys...
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*Birthdays today:*
*Dr Seuss:*
Green Eggs and Ham:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-OPnBz6ctU&feature=channel
The Sneetches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1qWZWNGGE&feature=channel
The Lorax:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T9vw0jnGOg&feature=watch_response
The 5000 Fingers of Dr T:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwAymlCB1k
*Desi Arnaz*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOymiA_-vSk&feature=related
Babalu!
With Lucy:
*Jennifer Jones*
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*Birthdays today:*
*Leap year baby Michelle Morgan:*
Le quai des brumes:
*Les actrices francaises:*
*Jane Russell, RIP:*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOyWh2q60og&feature=related
Holding ?The French Line?:
Gentlemen Prefer Blondes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvTLFy2i5jc&feature=related
Making an impression at Grauman?s:
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Is this _The Story of O_ ? Or _Othello_ ? 'Cause I hope it's the latter...
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*No birthdays today so here?s a salute to drunks in film:*
W C Fields:
Humphrey Bogart:
*Comedies:*
Nick and Nora (Myrna Loy and William Powell):
Desk Set (Katharine Hepburn and Joan Blondell):
Philadelphia Story (James Stewart):
Ninotchka (Greta Garbo and Melvyn Douglas):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCsu_s8K9K4&NR=1
All About Eve (Margo Channing):
*Not-so-comic:*
Notorious (Ingrid Bergman):
Who?s Afraid of Virginia Wolfe? (Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, George Segal and Sandy Dennis):
The Lost Weekend (Ray Milland):
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*Birthdays today:*
*Franchot Tone*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLGkWRzQ9WQ
*Liz Taylor*
*Joan Bennett*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RChdOVycoXk
Dark Shadows:
*Joanne Woodward*
And Paul Newman:
*William Demarest*
Miracle at Morgan?s Creek:
?What?s in the Box?? in the Twilight Zone with a seriously grumpy Joan Blondell and seriously creepy Sterling Holloway. Watch the other 2 parts?this is a goodie:
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*It?s been a nasty, wet cold day in SW Ohio today. So I?m thinking warm thoughts?*
Beach Movies:
Beach Party:
Beach Blanket Bingo:
Gidget:
The Ghost in the Invisible Bikini:
Summer Nights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJUrt0O7uY&feature=related
Some Like it Hot (on the beach):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQspWS1tQ7M&feature=related
Keeping cool with Marilyn in The Seven Year Itch:
On holiday with Monsieur Hulot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2mj5eD2U6M&feature=related