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I love Groucho's dancing! There's a move I've seen him do more than once (Chico did it too in one of the movies), where he sort of "patted himself down" -- see attached stills from You Bet Your Life, or even better, watch it here: https://youtu.be/U1xiUmzmuRg?t=1079 I was wondering if this is a "real" dance move, or if it was his own invention. For that matter, what about the rest of the dance? Is it all his invention, or was it an actual dance? Thanks in advance!
What s a Musical? I think that a musical is a film that has both song and dance, and at least three to five numbers. The classic musicals we all know, but the sub-genre have to be explored as well: Operetta: - Jeannette MacDonald/Nelson Eddy, and others of that genre Mostly legitimate singing, but there are sporadic dances thrown in each operetta -a waltz, a folk dance, or a specialty number.... =============================== Biopics: (Can be a singer, composer... ) For instance: The Helen Morgan Story Love me, or Leave Me - Doris did some dancing in this one, I believe. =============================== Dramatic films - which contain musical numbers: - Shirley Temple films did this often. For example: The Little Princess: "The Old Kent Road" tapping w/ Arthur Treacher; white ballet dream sequence The Littlest Rebel: "Polly Wally Doodle" The Little Colonel; "My Old Kentucky Home" - tapping with Bill Robinson Heidi: "The Little Wooden Shoes" Bright Eyes: "The Good ShIp, Lollipop". in the words of The Kind and I - etc., etc., etc....." Dramatic Films -that have musical elements - dance Waterloo Bridge with Vivan Leigh The Story of Three Loves - with Leslie Caron and Moira Sherear The Red Shoes -- with Moira Shearer The Secret People - with Audrey Hepburn Invitation to the Dance - with Gene Kelly ======================================== A musical, however, to me ultimately is both song and dance together. What do you think?
Around minute 10:50 in the Lecture Video for Lecture #5: Cabin in the Sky (1943) with Vanessa Theme Ament and Richard Edwards, https://learn.canvas.net/courses/2206/pages/week-2-monday-an-historical-overview-of-the-second-decade?module_item_id=218041 Dr. Edwards brought up this subject - I believe it was Vincent Minnelli who brought editing into dance numbers to highlight certain moves. I remember something that Fred Astaire once said and emphasized about his own dance routines which is that often editing a routine was a way to "cheat" and that when those close-ups are shot it is not live but just that particular sequence and was "lazy" so to speak. So he, himself, insisted that his dance routines were shot in full frame and done as one continuous piece. So frankly, in my own humble opinion, I do not think that that "innovation" was something positive. To this day, I can't stand when they cut away to "body parts" during a dance. And while it might be true that this was something that could be done on film and not in the theater, remember that movies were a way of bringing the theater or Broadway experience to audiences who did not live in New York or large metropolises that would have the possibility of seeing those shows live. How do others feel?