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Miss G,


I am thrilled that you have discovered one of my favorite Crawford films, THE DAMNED DON'T CRY. This is a great movie. This is a genre film in reverse. The kind of movie at Warners that Cagney, Bogart, or Robinson would do in terms of the lead being played by a guy in the crime world. Here we have Crawford as the lead as an ambitious, ruthless gun moll and she is mesmerizing and not to be believed. You cannot take your eyes off her in this film. As if she is burning a hole right through the film. I have never understood why this film didn't have a better reputation upon its release. What it says about morality, social climibing, money, prostitution, violence and a woman's place in rising to the top is extremely revealing. The scene in the car with Kent Smith where Joan tells him what a person has to do in this life to get to the top and slugging away for every buck is worth a place in heaven. I can watch this movie every day and never tire of it. It encapsulates everything that I love about the "later" Joan.


This is a great film. It's interesting that it was released recently on DVD but never on VHS. I wonder what that was about. All of Joan's Warner's films from 1950 onwards (aside from Baby Jane) never came out on VHS format. I would love a release of Goodby, My Fancy which is a rare venture into politics for Joan. I like it very much and she has great support again from Eve Arden.


Best, Joe

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Hi there, Joe!


I can't believe this movie never even crossed my radar---I forget how I ended up renting it on Netflix---maybe I read about it on one of these boards. What a surprise! I have a friend visiting me at this time and she watched it and she loves Joan now. She thinks she was just fabulous in it and she's not even a classic movie fan. (I love making new "converts" to the classics).


I urge anyone who likes Joan to give this movie a try. It really belongs up there with her best.


I don't think I've seen GOODBYE, MY FANCY---but I've at least heard about it.


Of course, you know about LETTY LYNTON being tied up, but it's possible to get a copy, I think even thru the website mentioned in this thread. I still have never seen it.


An "off beat" film of hers that I also like tremendously is FLAMINGO ROAD...I'm sure you've seen it. I think she gives one of her best performances.


As has been said before, Joan made her way up to the top the hard way (Bette might disagree) so she could really put her heart into these roles.


Miss G

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I have a wonderful Joan Crawford story that I would like to share with all of you. Joan visited Rheingold Breweries back in the early 60's as a representative of PepsiCo., as her late husband Alfred Steele who died in 1959, was Board Chairman of Pepsi-Cola. Ms. Crawford still had a foothold in the company of her late husband and was visiting Rheingold in Brooklyn New York to see if it was feasible to buy Rheingold for PepsiCo. My father worked there and the men who worked with him all knew that if Pepsi did buy them somewhere down the line they would cut jobs because of the merger.( Yes they did, and also disbanded Rheingold in the early 70's) So like any red blooded American when Joan walked down the line of men, my old man gave her the old "Bronx Cheer" ( Raspberry ). All of the other men followed suit and gave Joan a serenade of "Raspberry's". Joan the delicate flower yelled out a four letter word and gave all the workers, "The Finger". My father always joked that was the only thing that they received from Joan for Christmas.

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THE DAMNED DON'T CRY is fantastic. On the whole prefer Joan Crawford's early movies, especially her pre-code movies. And even more especially RAIN! And even when some of her early movies aren't that great (like TODAY WE LIVE) Crawford is still fabulous. And she was so glamorous and so gorgeous in her early films. That's not to say I don't love her later movies - I just love ALL her movies!

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In her early movies Joan was prettier and more natural, but in her later films she was more mature, glamorous, and tough. Her acting abilities continued to improve as she aged, but she was always a good actress. Humoresque is probably Crawford at the height of her career--just after an Oscar win, an experienced and mature actress, at the height of her powers as a seductress and still relatively young and beautiful, yet there are also shades of the tougher Joan yet to come. It's my favorite Joan performance.

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I agree. Humoresque is one of my favorites as well. I also loved her in Possessed (1947), Sudden Fear (1952), and A Woman's Face (1941).


"Cheyney" has been already talked about in this thread and it's one of my faves (of Joan's) from the 30's also.

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Did anyone see "Queen Bee," which was broadcast this past weekend? The dialog was so dumb and turgid - I don't think anyone of lesser caliber than Crawford could have made it work, and she did just barely.


The thick, black "Crawford" eyebrows with the blonde hair. Yipes!

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If you're interested there is a thread in the General Discussions titled "Queen Bee."

A real quick glance seemed there were some different opinions.



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<<"The thick, black "Crawford" eyebrows with the blonde hair. Yipes!">>


You must not have been watching too closely if you thought Joan was a blonde in this film!


Personally, I always liked Joan's high, arched eyebrows. They were a tremendous beauty asset in her early days. Ask any beauty artist and they will tell you thicker eyebrows make you look younger. Up until around 1957, I'd say Joan's eyebrows suited her face, but after that she let them grow a little too thick.

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You mean she didn't just shave her eyebrows? If not her, who was the famous classic actress who shaved her eyebrows for the studio and they never grew back?

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That was Lana Turner. Warner Bros. shaved her eyebrows for the movie "The Adventures of Marco Polo" and they never grew back.

In fact, that is always the way I remember Lana - I lived next door to her in Malibu from November, 1960 to April, 1964 and we visited often and she never had eyebrows painted on. She still looked good though.


At one point in her career, she pasted on fake ones until she found out they were made of mouse hairs....... Eeek......



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> <<"The thick, black "Crawford" eyebrows with the

> blonde hair. Yipes!">>


> You must not have been watching too closely if you

> thought Joan was a blonde in this film!



So what color was her hair supposed to be? It was certainly shades and shades lighter than her eybrows. I thought she looked particularly unattractive in this movie. Her clothes made her look rather squat - the costumer didn't do much to minimize her small stature, especially since the actors around her were so much taller. I think she looks a lot better in other films from this period.


Remember that this film was meant to be shown on a big screen, so Crawford's eyebrows would have looked huge to the audience. It's not a look I find youthful, or particularly attractive. It calls attention away from the eyes themselves. But I suppose Crawford wanted to look distinctive, and in that she succeeded.

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I just got a new heart doctor and her name turned out to be Joan Crawford....just thought it strange, but kinda funny...has absolutely nothing to do with anything you're talking about, but yeah...

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Joan Crawford was born with red hair. Speaking of blonde, I love in 1931, when in "Laughing Sinners" and "This Modern Age" she was a blonde and quite beautiful.



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The imdb.com has more trivia about JC than just about any other actor I can think of....


Quit Stephens College, a posh university for women in Columbia, Missouri, in the early 1920s.


Worked as an elevator operator at Harzfeld's department store in downtown Kansas City, Missouri.


Each time Crawford married, she changed the name of her Brentwood estate and installed all new toilet seats.


Interred at Ferncliff Cemetery, Hartsdale, New York, USA.


Was asked to take over Carole Lombard 's role in They All Kissed the Bride (1942) after she died in a air crash during a war bond tour. She then donated all of her salary to the Red Cross who found Lombard's body, and promptly fired her agent for taking his usual 10%.


She was so dedicated to her fans that she always personally responded to her fan mail by typing them responses on blue paper and autographing it. A great deal of her spare time and weekends were spent doing this.


After her friend Steven Spielberg hit it big, Joan sent him periodic notes of congratulations. The last one came two weeks before her death.


She taught director Steven Spielberg how to belch while filming their episode of "Night Gallery" (1970).


Cartoonist Milton Caniff claimed he created the character of "Dragon Lady" for his popular "Terry and the Pirates" comic strip, based on Joan Crawford.


At the time of her death, the only photographs displayed in her apartment were of Barbara Stanwyck and President John F. Kennedy.


Daughter-in-law of Douglas Fairbanks.


Cousin-in-law of Lucile Fairbanks.


Niece-in-law of Robert Fairbanks.


Born at 10:00 PM.


She had a cleanliness obsession. She used to wash her hands every ten minutes and follow guests around her house wiping everything they touched, especially doorknobs and pieces from her china set.


She would never smoke a cigarette unless she opened the pack herself, and would never use another cigarette out of that pack if someone else had touched it.


Always slept in white pyjamas.


Was forced by MGM boss Louis B. Mayer to drop her real name Lucille LeSueur because it sounded too much like "sewer".


Her 1933 contract with MGM was so detailed and binding, it even had a clause in it indicating what time she was expected to be in bed each night.


She was named as 'the other woman' in at least two divorces.


Was born Catholic but converted to Christian Science in later years.


Whenever she stayed in a hotel, no matter how good and well-reputed it was, Joan always scrubbed the bathroom herself before using it.


In the early 1930s, tired of playing fun-loving flappers, Joan wanted to change her image. Thin lips would not do for her, she wanted big lips. Ignoring Crawford's natural lip contours, Max Factor ran a smear of color across her upper and lower lips; it was just what she wanted. To Max, the Crawford look, which became her trademark, was always 'the smear'. To the public, it became known as 'Hunter's Bow Lips'. Crawford is often credited as helping to rout America's prejudice against lipstick.


Adoptive mother of Christina Crawford.


After hearing that a plumber had used a toilet after installing it in her Brentwood home, she immediately had the fixture and pipes ripped out and replaced.


Her cleanliness obsession lead her to prefer showers to tubs, as she abhorred sitting in her own bathwater.


Despite being a big star, Crawford really didn't appear in that many film classics. One she missed out on was From Here to Eternity (1953) in 1953. When the domineering actress insisted that her costumes be designed by Sheila O'Brien, studio head Harry Cohn replaced her with Deborah Kerr.


In her final years at MGM, Crawford was handed weak scripts in the hopes that she'd break her contract. Two films she hungered to appear in were Random Harvest (1942) and Madame Curie (1943). Both films went to bright new star Greer Garson instead, and Crawford left the studio soon after.


Her final words before dying were quoted as being "Damn it . . . Don't you dare ask God to help me." which was said to her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud.


"Joan Arden" was chosen as the young star's screen name after a write-in contest was held in the pages of "Movie Weekly" magazine, but a bit player came forward and said she was already using it. Mrs. Marie M. Tisdale, a crippled woman living in Albany, New York, won $500 for submitting the runner-up name "Joan Crawford".


She disliked her 'new' name and initially encouraged others to pronounce it Jo-Anne Crawford. In private, she liked to be referred to as Billie.


It was recently learned from an excellent, detailed and objective TV biography of her (including information from Christina Crawford) that Joan Crawford's hatred of wire hangers derived from her poverty as a child and her experiences working with her mother in what must have been a grim job in a laundry. [6 August 2002]


Joan always considered The Unknown (1927) a big turning point for her. She said it wasn't until working with Lon Chaney in this film that she learned the difference between standing in front of a camera and acting in front of a camera. She said that was all due to Lon Chaney and his intense concentration, and after that experience she said she worked much harder to become a better actress.


Sister of actor Hal Le Sueur.


Because Joan was bullied and shunned at Stephens College by the other students due to her poor homelife, she answered every single piece of fanmail she received in her lifetime except those from former classmates at Stephens.


Decided to adopt children after suffering a series of miscarriages with her husbands and being told by doctors that she would never be able to have a baby.


Drank excessively and smoked until she began practicing Christian Science, at which time she abruptly quit doing both.


During her later years, Crawford was drinking up to a quart of vodka a day.


When her daughter Christina Crawford decided to become an actress, Joan demanded that she change her last name, so it wouldn't appear that Christina was using it to further her career. Christina refused.


Joan adopted all of her children except Christopher Crawford while she was unmarried. Since the state of California did not allow single men and women to adopt children at that time, Joan had to search for agencies in the eastern United States. The agency in charge of the adoption of Christina Crawford was later uncovered as part of a black market baby ring.


As a child, Joan was playing in the front yard of her home in Texas when she got a large piece of glass lodged in her foot. After it was removed, doctors told her she would likely never walk again without a limp. Joan was determined to be a dancer, so she practiced walking and dancing every day for over six months until she was able to walk without pain. Not only did she make a full recovery, she also fulfilled her dream of becoming a chorus dancer.


Joan was dancing in a chorus line in 1925 when she was spotted by MGM and offered a screen test. Joan, who wanted more than anything to continue dancing, turned down the offer at first. But another chorus girl pursuaded Joan to try the test, and a few weeks later she was put under contract.


When Joan adopted her eldest daughter, Christina Crawford, she first named her 'Joan, Jr.'. Baby pictures from the book 'Mommie, Dearest' show baby Christina lying on a towel with 'Joan, Jr.' monogrammed on it. Later, for reasons that can only be speculated, Joan changed the baby's name to Christina. Joan did the same thing to her adopted son, who was named 'Phillip Terry, Jr.', after the man that Joan was married to at the time he was adopted. After her divorce to Phillip Terry was finalized, Joan changed the boy's name to Christopher.


Joan adopted another son in the early 1940s, but during a magazine interview, she disclosed the location of his birth, and his biological mother showed up at her Brentwood home wanting the baby back. Thinking that a fight would hurt the well-being of the child, Joan gave him back to his mother, who then sold him to another family.


Joan never liked the name "Crawford", saying to a friend that it sounded too much like "Crawfish". He replied that it was much better than "Cranberry".


Blue Oyster Cult wrote a song about her, titled "Joan Crawford".


Adopted four children: Christina, Christopher, and twins Cynthia and Cathy.


Measurements: 35-25-35 (as model 1930), 35-25 1/2-37 (precise studio stats, 1937) (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine)


Wore size 4C shoes. (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine)


Her little tap dancing in The Hollywood Revue of 1929 (1929) was the first audible tap dance on the screen.


Her Oscar statuette for Mildred Pierce (1945) went on auction after her death and sold for $68,000. The auction house had predicted a top bid of $15,000.


Her popularity grew so quickly after her name was changed to Joan Crawford that two films in which she was still billed as Lucille Le Sueur: Old Clothes (1925) and The Only Thing (1925) were recalled, and the billings were altered.


WAMPAS Baby of 1926


She was a favorite model of 'Walt Disney (I)' and Ub Iwerks for their early experiments in animation ("The Hand Behind The Mouse," by Leslie Iwerks).


Met her biological father only once when he visited her on the set of Chained (1934). She would never see him again.


One of the original MGM Contract Stars from the studio's early period.


She was voted the 47th Greatest Movie Star of all time by Entertainment Weekly.


After she was signed to MGM, someone attempted to extort money from the studio by claiming they had a porn film that featured a young Crawford. The attempt failed when MGM pointed out they could not definitely prove the actress in the film was Crawford. The incident was mentioned in a couple of biographies.


Was approached twice by the producers of the Airport disaster movie series. She was offered two different roles in both Airport 1975 (1974) and Airport '77 (1977), but refused.


Comedic actress Betty Hutton, who lived near Crawford for a time, stated that she seen some of the abuse claimed by Joan's daughter 'Christina Crawford' . Hutton would often encourage her own children to spend some time with "those poor children", as she felt they needed some fun in their lives.


After her husband died, she still continued to set a place for him at the dinner table.


Although Crawford claimed her youngest daughters Cathy and Cindy were twins, most sources, including her two older children, claim they were just two babies born about a month apart. Her two older children claimed they couldn't be twins because they looked nothing alike. In the early 1990s, Cathy found their birth certificate, which proved that they were indeed twins, born on January 13, 1947. The fact that they were fraternal twins, rather than identical, can account for the fact that they did not look alike. The twins eventually met their birth father and other biological relatives. They found out that their birth mother had died of kidney failure soon after birth and that their father, who had not been married to their mother, did not find out about them until after it was too late. They were sold illegally to Joan Crawford by Tennessee Children's Home Society director Georgia Tann.


She has a granddaughter, Chrystal, from son Christopher. She has a granddaughter Carla, born c. 1970, from daughter Cathy. She has eight grandchildren altogether (four from Christopher and two each from Cindy and Cathy).


She has a grandson, Casey LaLonde, by her daughter Cathy. He was born c. 1972.


In 1963, she accepted the Oscar for "Best Actress in a Leading Role" on behalf of Anne Bancroft, who wasn't present at the awards ceremony.


Is portrayed by Barrie Youngfellow in The Scarlett O'Hara War (1980) (TV) and by Faye Dunaway in Mommie Dearest (1981)


She was of French descent on her father's side, and Irish/Scottish/English descent on her mother's side.


On AFI's "100 Years 100 Stars", she was ranked the #10 Female Greatest Screen Legend.


Often wore shoulder pads.


Was very close friends with William Haines and his partner Jimmy Shields.


Her performance as Mildred Pierce Beragon in Mildred Pierce (1945) is ranked #93 on Premiere Magazine's 100 Greatest Performances of All Time (2006).


Adopted 4 children. her 2 oldest children, Christina Crawford and Chistopher were completely excluded from her will.


Thanked by Courtney Love in the liner notes of Hole's album "Celebrity Skin".


In Italy, almost all of her films were dubbed by Tina Lattanzi and in the fifties mainly by Lidia Simoneschi. She was once dubbed by Gemma Griarotti in the second dubbing of Grand Hotel (1932).

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Hi Larry,

I know this is a JC thread, but do tell us more about Lana!

One of my favourite stars and much better actress that many give her credit for.

What was she like in those days? Were you good friends with her?

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I'am a a big ..huge ...fan of Joan Crawford.... I'm just obsessed W./everything Joan!

What a great Theard...Very Nice...!



*You should also check out my 2 threads/boards...*












*Here is some additl tidbits on Joan.....*


*Joan claimed she remembered June 27, 1943-- the day she strode into Louis B. Mayer's office and announced that she was leaving MGM that very day-- more than any of her wedding anniversaries.*


*She based her life around fourness. She had four husbands, stayed with each of them for four years, and had four adopted children.*


*When she went to England in the mid-sixties to film "_Berserk_" she was welcomed by the British press as "Her Serene Crawfordship."*


*Never used a lip brush. She actually used her finger to put on lipstick.*


*Her favorite perfume was Jungle Gardenia*










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*Chicago's LaSalle Bank Cinema will present these Joan films in September 2008!*


*9/6 -- Dancing Lady*


*9/13 -- Sudden Fear*


*9/21 -- Humoresque*


*All shows start at 8pm and are $5 for adults. Visit the theater's website for more info and to read their comments on the films.*




Thanks to Patrick D. for the information!)

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*_Joan Crawford on TCM in September 2008!!_*



*September 7*

*Harriet Craig. 6:30am.*



*September 15*

*The Women. 8pm.*




*September 17*

*The Gorgeous Hussy. 5:45am.*




*September 24*

*Flamingo Road. 2:45am.*



*September 26*

*The Caretakers. 3:45pm*.



*All times are Eastern. Please check local listings!*



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*_Joan Crawford on TCM in October 2008!!_*



*October 18*

*Berserk. 10am.*




*October 24*

*Autumn Leaves. 6am.*




*October 25*

*Strait-Jacket. 12am.*




*October 26*

*The Unknown. 1:30am.*




*October 27*

*They All Kissed the Bride. 3:30am.*




_*All Times are Eastern. Check Local Listings!*_




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*Harriet Craig WIll Be shown on:*

*Sunday, September, 07th, 2008 @ 3:30am Arizona (PT) Time!*


*Stars: Joan Crawford, Wendell Corey, Lucile Watson.*

*Directed By: Vincent Sherman.*



_Harriet Craig_ is the second of three cinematic collaborations between director Vincent Sherman Sherman and Crawford.






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*YEEEEEAHH!! More Joan Crawford films in December 2008!!!*


*2 Tuesday - 6:30 AM Our Dancing Daughters (1928) - Joan Crawford!!*



*2 Tuesday - 8:00 AM Our Modern Maidens (1929) - Joan Crawford!!*



*17 Wednesday - 8:45 AM Autumn Leaves (1956) - Joan Crawford!!*



*18 Thursday - 6:30 AM Reunion In France (1942) - Joan Crawford!!*


*29 Monday - 12:00 PM Gorgeous Hussy, The (1936) - Joan Crawford!!*



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