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Today's Hollywood! What a Shame! And it's Going to Get Worse!


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I'm especially posting info about Robert Redford's latest 'Sundance Film Festival'. 2 movies were featured there that shows just how far Hollywood has degenerated from the Classic Era of times gone by. As if it wasn't bad enough that almost every PG-13 or R movie is infested with profanity, explicit sex, nudity, and drug use, modern film makers want to take it further into depravity! The 2 afore mentioned films featured were about beastiality and the rape of a 12 year old girl(Dakota Fanning) Both films were actually praised as being "art" and Redford so no reason not to show either film so as not to offend those suspected degenerates in his craft. I have declined to mention the name of either film so as not to give them any publicity. TCM keep those 40's film rolling!

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Hillary:

 

Very often my thoughts precede my typing so much that I type in words or phrases that I don't actually mean to say. I think that happened to you, so don't think I'm trying to be a 'know-it-all', but you said - "Redford so no reason not to show either film so as not to offend those suspected degenerates in his craft." I've tried putting other words in for 'so' but still am not sure what you meant. Redford's original purpose in 'Sundance' was to show films by unknowns who wouldn't be able to get their films distributed otherwise, yet it has blown up into a massive festival that everyone has joined into. I know that he made several 'stinker' movies (his term), in order to finance 'Sundance', so I am surprised he has let it get away from him. I could be totally off base with this, perhaps the Redford 'Sundance' is entirely different from 'the Sundance Film Festival', if so, somebody please correct me, I know Redford's was somewhere in Wyoming or Montana (I think), near his ranch and it was originally a 'school' for young filmmakers wherein he assisted them in all aspects of camera, acting, writing, etc. i.e. all things connected to filmmaking.

 

Someone help me out here, Kyle? Jack, Lynn?

 

Anne

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I would like to suggest to everybody reading this thread that they take some time to research some FACTUAL reviews of these Sundance films before we have some mob-minded drum-beating going on here.

Perspective, context, and the inclusion of ALL relevant facts should be of paramount importance here; my Uncle Hollis liked to remark that opinions are like laundry: everybody's got some, and sometimes, it don't smell too good!

Also, I seem to recall some past threads begun by this Board member that were smoke screens for some pretty flagrant right-wing grenade throwing.

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Hillary, did you happen to catch Barb Stanwyck's "Sugarpuss" by any chance? The one where her father began managing her career at a very tender age, a career choice most fathers would prefer their daughters avoid: a prostitute and daddy dear was her pimp. Was it at age 12?

 

Ever see "Lolita?" I'm pretty sure it's been on TCM (many times, in fact).

 

Haven't seen Dakota's film, but it sounds as though every precaution was taken to protect the young actress and to present an horrific crime that happens far too often in this society as humanely as such a thing is possible for her sake.

 

It's important to offer the broad spectrum of human experience in films, to help educate, to HELP and there will be many, many people who will be grateful for this movie and the courage it will give them to do something about their own situation.

 

Life is not all happy fluffy "Let's Put on a Show!" Goodness, look at the tragedies befalling those in these classic-age films you are praising and there were plenty of films that did, indeed, touch on the seamier side of life - even on TCM! You must have skipped a few....

 

You certainly are entitled to your opinion and that's great - it's the stuff that makes life interesting, the meeting and mismatching of minds. And I can guess you won't be catching Fanning's latest film, which is unfortunate, because you might find it to be more important than pornographic.

 

But I applaud a society in which all facets of life can be examined, the evil underbelly laid bare - in hopes that this most vicious and disturbing of crimes can be addressed and stopped. The only "shame" that exists here is that which lies with the perpetrator of these crimes and with those who want to shut their eyes in hopes of ignoring that they exist.

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'mrsl' wrote -

Someone help me out here, Kyle? Jack, Lynn?"

 

Anne, you did just fine. Everything you wrote is correct. Film Festivals are, by design, showcases for films from diverse and wide-ranging sources. Films shown at Sundance are usually financed "independently" (outside of the Hollywood Studio System). The films at Sundance are competing for awards and presented with the hope of being acquired for theatrical distribution by Hollywood Studios. The Festival is an adjunct to the Sundance Institute but operates separately from the daily work of the film school. (For a comparison, think of how the Academy Awards ceremony is mostly a production of ABC TV and less a product of the Motion Picture Academy itself.)

 

Little Miss Sunshine was shown at Sundance last year. After its positive reception, 20th Century Fox paid for the distribution rights to the film. 20th Century Fox doesn't have a dime in the making of the film. They essentially bought another person's/company's film, paid for the promotion and the prints of the film at its release into theaters and reaped part of the profits from the ticket sales.

 

Anne, I admire you wanting to wade into this thread. When I read it, I knew I was being baited and wasn't going to take the hook.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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I have declined to mention the name of either film so as not to give them any publicity.

 

Since this topic was beaten to a pulp here last week, just bringing it up again gives it more publicity. Those who want to read further can go to thesmokinggun.com to see the scene's script. Just plain bad filmmaking from that excerpt. Just let it fade into oblivion and we'll be better off.

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Having barely glimpsed at most of the other replies, I'll just say that the Sundance Festival continues to be one of the most respected film festivals in the world; I'm sure they don't show anything that open-minded adults can't look at objectively and judge these films for their own artistic merits rather than anything "scandalous".

 

Also, most of the films that show at Sundance are independent productions, they're not Hollywood films, although some do get picked up at Sundance by the studios' specialty film divisions.

 

The subject matter(s) mentioned aren't even that shocking, really.

 

An underage girl being forced to have sex with grown men? Let's see, I believe that was the story of the character played by Barbara Stanwyck on Baby Face, back in 1933.

 

Bestiality? It was used to a rather hilarious effect in the R-rated Clerks II, and tbh I found it rather funny.

 

So what's the trouble, really?

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THE SOLUTION: To the VILE and DEPRAVED efforts of today's so-called "Art" film makers and modern Hollywood in general is to Bomb any theatre showing this Crap! Looks like some of you 'tolerent' lib types might be in the audience when the bombs are dropped. That's too bad! So sorry! I know the difference between 'art' and vile depravity! What would Frank Capra say to these degenerates passing as movie producers today?!!!

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I would like to suggest to everybody reading this thread that they take some time to research some FACTUAL reviews of these Sundance films before we have some mob-minded drum-beating going on here.

Perspective, context, and the inclusion of ALL relevant facts should be of paramount importance here; my Uncle Hollis liked to remark that opinions are like laundry: everybody's got some, and sometimes, it don't smell too good!

Also, I seem to recall some past threads begun by this Board member that were smoke screens for some pretty flagrant right-wing grenade throwing.>>

 

Klondike,

 

Thank you! :)

 

 

On a more fanciful note, when you and "Buffalo Gal" (Dean M. Finnie) return from dogsledding the great white North, please apply for a job at the Cinema College.

 

We need folks like you on staff!

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Hello HillaryNo,

 

A better solution than violence is boycott.

In this day and age, when bombing and "Homeland Security" are prominent, let's not advocate bombing anybody or anything. As evident in Iraq and Israel and Afghanistan, it is the innocent mothers, fathers, children, teachers and grocery clerks who die, not the evil muckrackers and terrorists who pay the price.

 

Personally, I just walk on by a piece of crap movie.

 

Larry

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Robert Florey's 1932 film, Murders in the Rue Morgue is about bestiality. And most people consider it a harmless, little horror film.

 

I say, let the filmmakers makes whatever they want. This is the kind of thing that the great ones only dreamed of. This kind of freedom, I mean.

 

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This creep has a history here:

 

 

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That's Mr. Creep for all of you 'open' minded and tolerant types! Having trouble accepting conservative 1st amendment rights? Intolerance by libs is worse than the same from Conservatives. We don't claim to be tolerant of obvious deviations of class and good taste!

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> That's Mr. Creep for all of you 'open' minded and

> tolerant types! Having trouble accepting conservative

> 1st amendment rights? Intolerance by libs is worse

> than the same from Conservatives. We don't claim to

> be tolerant of obvious deviations of class and good

> taste!

 

 

The bulletin boards for the Fox News Channel are that a way:

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> "That's Mr. Creep for all of you 'open' minded and tolerant types! Having trouble accepting conservative 1st amendment rights? Intolerance by libs is worse than the same from Conservatives. We don't claim to be tolerant of obvious deviations of class and good taste!"

 

HillaryNo:

 

A) I don't care what your gender or your species is, I respond to others online based on their behavior, and yours doesn't even deserve an honorific of any sort.

B) Obviously, you are sadly ignorant about basic American History as you are on other topics: there is nothing remotely "conservative" about 1st amendment rights; those issues were, in fact, so absolutely radical that our nation's founders were forced to declare war on the arch-conservative British Crown to create and defend a government that gave birth to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and those resulting amendments!

C) Having "viewers" like yourself dictating what can be tolerated feels entirely un-American to me, and I'll wager that I'm NOT alone with that feeling, either.

 

I think you're wasting your talents here at the TCM website; why not treat AMC to some of your unique & special personality?

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I think you're wasting your talents here at the TCM website; why not treat AMC to some of your unique & special personality?

 

Was it REALLY that hard to say nothing and let the thread go...... Oh, sorry, I just realized, you were typing while I was posting - I've done that before, too. But PLEASE, everybody else, let's not post anything else here! Let it die.......

Bill

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