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On ‎11‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 2:43 PM, mr6666 said:

but her 'crocodile tears' over Bernie is just insulting!

A naked play to get progressives to stop hating her.

They won't.

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Clinton Campaign Had Additional Signed Agreement With DNC In 2015

"....... In addition to that joint fundraising agreement the DNC reached with both campaigns, the party and the Clinton campaign struck that separate memorandum of understanding giving the campaign staffing and policy oversight. ....

... Sanders' 2016 campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said the agreement was the latest evidence the DNC tried to tip the scales against his candidate. ...

"I think the DNC should apologize to the millions and millions of people who put their heart and souls into the campaign on both sides, frankly," Weaver told MSNBC Friday. "There are many people who campaigned for Hillary believing it was a fair process. It was not a fair process. And those people are the people who the Democratic Party has to re-establish faith with — the people, the rank and file of this party — allied, independents and other people." ...

Read the full memo, obtained by NPR from a Democratic source: .....

http://www.npr.org/2017/11/03/561976645/clinton-campaign-had-additional-signed-agreement-with-dnc-in-2015

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3 hours ago, darkblue said:

A naked play to get progressives to stop hating her.

They won't.

She also is talking to try to boast her book sales.

All I see that she has accomplished so far is being hated by progressive and the Dem establishment.    

Anderson Cooper just ripped her a big one for her stunt of giving out questions to Clinton for the Clinton \ Sanders debate.          

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Have Democrats learned their lesson? There’s reason for hope.

... a group of Democratic and progressive activists last week published “Autopsy: The Democratic Party in Crisis.” While the 33-page report covers a range of issues, it offers a particularly harsh indictment of the party’s self-defeating attempts to simultaneously please its billionaire backers and the working-class voters who make up the Democratic base.

“Corporate domination over the party’s agenda — and, perhaps more importantly, the perception of corporate control over the party’s agenda — rendered the Democrats’ messaging on economic issues ideologically rudderless and resulted in a decline in support among working-class people across racial lines,” the autopsy states. “We live in a time of unrest and justified cynicism towards those in power; Democrats will not win if they continue to bring a wonk knife to a populist gunfight.”

....Despite these reminders of the party’s ongoing failures, the past year has provided some reasons for hope. Since the election, it has been inspiring to watch members of a new generation find their voices and provide the bold leadership that Democrats desperately need. Progressive organizations including Our Revolution, Indivisible, the Working Families Party and People’s Action have kept activists across the country engaged and mobilized. Women have sustained the incredible energy that fueled the historic Women’s March in January, with thousands of potential female candidates expressing interest in running for office. Under the national radar, progressive populist candidates, many of them inspired by the Sanders campaign, have prevailed in state and local elections.

 

Amid the chaos in Washington, there have been a few positive developments in Congress as well. Progressive stalwarts in both chambers are ascendant. On core economic issues, the party establishment is slowly moving to the left......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/have-democrats-learned-their-lesson-theres-reason-for-hope/2017/11/07/cab3e78c-c315-11e7-aae0-cb18a8c29c65_story.html?utm_term=.bea56ca51b63&tid=sm_tw

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

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Have Democrats learned their lesson? There’s reason for hope.

... a group of Democratic and progressive activists last week published “Autopsy: The Democratic Party in Crisis.” While the 33-page report covers a range of issues, it offers a particularly harsh indictment of the party’s self-defeating attempts to simultaneously please its billionaire backers and the working-class voters who make up the Democratic base.

“Corporate domination over the party’s agenda — and, perhaps more importantly, the perception of corporate control over the party’s agenda — rendered the Democrats’ messaging on economic issues ideologically rudderless and resulted in a decline in support among working-class people across racial lines,” the autopsy states. “We live in a time of unrest and justified cynicism towards those in power; Democrats will not win if they continue to bring a wonk knife to a populist gunfight.”

....Despite these reminders of the party’s ongoing failures, the past year has provided some reasons for hope. Since the election, it has been inspiring to watch members of a new generation find their voices and provide the bold leadership that Democrats desperately need. Progressive organizations including Our Revolution, Indivisible, the Working Families Party and People’s Action have kept activists across the country engaged and mobilized. Women have sustained the incredible energy that fueled the historic Women’s March in January, with thousands of potential female candidates expressing interest in running for office. Under the national radar, progressive populist candidates, many of them inspired by the Sanders campaign, have prevailed in state and local elections.

 

Amid the chaos in Washington, there have been a few positive developments in Congress as well. Progressive stalwarts in both chambers are ascendant. On core economic issues, the party establishment is slowly moving to the left......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/have-democrats-learned-their-lesson-theres-reason-for-hope/2017/11/07/cab3e78c-c315-11e7-aae0-cb18a8c29c65_story.html?utm_term=.bea56ca51b63&tid=sm_tw

The polling data released yesterday doesn't support this optimist view of the Dem party.

Frankly I believe it will be very difficult for progressive \ Sanders supporters to trust the Dem party established especially since the truth is now coming out about the corruption in the DNC.  

 

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That video is as important to watch as any posted anywhere in these forums.

The two-Party system has become an utter failure for the people.

If this knowledge helps to start a third Party, it'll be the best thing to happen to the country ever.

 

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ChristieCone.jpg

He's outrageous, he screams and he bawls,

Chris Christie, you've just been let go.

 

Don't let the door hit your fat keister on the way out, that is if you can fit through the door.

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16 hours ago, HIGHWAY said:

 

This video should be required viewing in every school in America.

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On 11/7/2017 at 7:57 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:

The polling data released yesterday doesn't support this optimist view of the Dem party.

Frankly I believe it will be very difficult for progressive \ Sanders supporters to trust the Dem party established especially since the truth is now coming out about the corruption in the DNC.  

 

Ironically the "mainstream" Democratic candidate won in Virginia even after the "progressive/liberal" Dems. abandoned him.

However, the victories in VA, NJ, etc. may not be that significant when you consider the steep climb to 2018.  Too many Dems. in Senate running in contested areas compared to very few GOPers in safe seats.  And gerrymandering pretty much insures GOP control of House lacking a major screw up by the Republicans.

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Be interesting to see what the New Year brings.  The VA House of Delegates is now split 50/50 due to ONE VOTE for the Dem candidate over GOP is latest election.  One Vote does matter even at lower elections.

Biggest challenge for Dems is to not overplay the GOP Tax Plan to such an extent that voters think it is not all that bad if they personally don't have a disaster.  I hope they continue to attack it and point out the many failures down the road.  Also hope they really concentrate on the things that the working and middle classes are losing under the plan.  Then the various military and veteran organizations really need to educate their memberships because these are usually very reliable Trump/GOP voters.

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9 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Be interesting to see what the New Year brings.  The VA House of Delegates is now split 50/50 due to ONE VOTE for the Dem candidate over GOP is latest election.  One Vote does matter even at lower elections.

Biggest challenge for Dems is to not overplay the GOP Tax Plan to such an extent that voters think it is not all that bad if they personally don't have a disaster.  I hope they continue to attack it and point out the many failures down the road.  Also hope they really concentrate on the things that the working and middle classes are losing under the plan.  Then the various military and veteran organizations really need to educate their memberships because these are usually very reliable Trump/GOP voters.

Good point about Dems having to be specific as it relates to the GOP Tax plan.   Attacking the GOP plans with 'oh, this is a disaster,  all is lost',  will not cut it since the plan is designed to bring any 'pain' on slowly for the middle \ working class.    Also such attacks smell too much like how the GOP attacked the ACA.    (i.e. it is easy to attack but much harder to say what one would do instead).

 

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VA is now a tie.  An uncounted vote was determined to be a vote for the GOPer, so the Election Commission will decide it "by lot."

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From the WP ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?undefined=&utm_term=.3bd84a9c1c8c&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

The Fix • Analysis
The top 15 Democratic presidential candidates for 2020, ranked
The 2020 race begins in about 12 months. Here's our take on who's most likely to be the Democratic nominee.
By Aaron Blake  •  Read more »
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9 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

From the WP ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?undefined=&utm_term=.3bd84a9c1c8c&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

The Fix • Analysis
The top 15 Democratic presidential candidates for 2020, ranked
The 2020 race begins in about 12 months. Here's our take on who's most likely to be the Democratic nominee.
By Aaron Blake  •  Read more »

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3. Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz (Previous: 11)

 

Will he promise a coffee shop on every corner if elected?:lol:

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5 minutes ago, hamradio said:

3. Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz (Previous: 11)

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Will he promise a coffee shop on every corner if elected?:lol:

His product was actually made in America unlike that of the charlatan in office.

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5 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

From the WP ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?undefined=&utm_term=.3bd84a9c1c8c&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

The Fix • Analysis
The top 15 Democratic presidential candidates for 2020, ranked
The 2020 race begins in about 12 months. Here's our take on who's most likely to be the Democratic nominee.
By Aaron Blake  •  Read more »

Interesting, but probably too early for a real viable, electable candidate to surface.  McAulliffe, Sherrod Brown, Chris Murphy might be the best choices.  Would need to know more about them.

Trump probably ruined it for the Starbucks guy (multi-billionaire businessman with no governing experience).  Besides his products are overpriced and don't taste that good (IMO).  Winfrey - that's got to be a joke as is Dewayne Johnson.  We need serious politicians with experience, not amateur celebrities.  But it worked for Trump, didn't it?

Warren, Jerry Brown, Sanders and Bidden are too old.  Warren, Brown and Sanders are too extreme for the people who actually vote in elections.  The GOP and their well funded support groups would have a field day believably portraying them as the worst thing that could happen to America.  Would also drag some Dem senators and representatives and governors down with them. 

Not too sure about Gillibrand, Harris, Cuomo and Booker as viable, national candidates in 2020.  Need to know more about them also.

Incidentally, we have never had a Democratic president form CA.

Of course, if the economy tanks, healthcare explodes, a war erupts, etc., any Dem might win.  Big ifs though.

However, it is good to see discussion of this many potential candidates.

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3 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Interesting, but probably too early for a real viable, electable candidate to surface.  McAulliffe, Sherrod Brown, Chris Murphy might be the best choices.  Would need to know more about them.

Trump probably ruined it for the Starbucks guy (multi-billionaire businessman with no governing experience).  Besides his products are overpriced and don't taste that good (IMO).  Winfrey - that's got to be a joke as is Dewayne Johnson.  We need serious politicians with experience, not amateur celebrities.  But it worked for Trump, didn't it?Warren, Jerry Brown, Sanders and Bidden are too old.  Warren, Brown and Sanders are too extreme for the people who actually vote in elections.  The GOP and their well funded support groups would have a field day believably portraying them as the worst thing that could happen to America.  Would also drag some Dem senators and representatives and governors down with them. Not too sure about Gillibrand, Harris, Cuomo and Booker as viable, national candidates in 2020.  Need to know more about them also.

Incidentally, we have never had a Democratic president form CA.

f course, if the economy tanks, healthcare explodes, a war erupts, etc., any Dem might win.  Big ifs though.

what about harridans elizabeth warren and kamala harris.:lol:

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How about O'Malley? He won't be too old in 2020. Don't know much about

his politics, but I think he's a fairly reliable liberal but not too left wing. He's

been through it before, though he didn't do too well, but that's not a big

problem the next time out. And he can't hurt with Irish-American voters. :)

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36 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

what about harridans elizabeth warren and kamala harris.:lol:

 I think women who are well-educated, speak out publicly and know their mind should not be attacked with pejorative  sexist and/or ageist terminology. 

Though it is a fact that there are a number of men who are afraid of assertive women who have leadership ability. Of course I have understood why that is. 

But some men in this country are going to have to get used to the fact that women are asserting themselves now-- they're taking take their rightful place in leadership positions in all walks of life.

The #Me Too Movement is just the beginning.

I could also say that I think it's just a minority of very insecure men--perhaps men who are insecure in relationship to their masculinity-- who are fearful of being criticized by women and having women leading them.

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I once thought highly of Elizabeth Warren.

I've since come to see her as the spineless careerist she really is.

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Really, Nip - "harridans"?

A lot could happen between now and 2020.  That's a lifetime and then some in politics.  Even with the 2018 midterms weird things could happen so I would caution the Dems not to get too giddy over their prospects just yet.

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58 minutes ago, ChristineHoard said:

Really, Nip - "harridans"?

A lot could happen between now and 2020.  That's a lifetime and then some in politics.  Even with the 2018 midterms weird things could happen so I would caution the Dems not to get too giddy over their prospects just yet.

The Dems could still mess things up especially if they shutdown the government to assist illegal immigrants.   Yea, most people are for visas for 'dreamers' but not full on amnesty and open border.     The Dems and GOP could agree on immigration reform that includes the something for 'dreamers' but the Dems refuse since the GOP is demanding mandated E-verify and funding for border security.   

I also would advise the Dems to NOT run any CA politician (e.g. Harris),  for President in 2020.   CA politicians are all about identity politics and that is no way to win over voters that are not part of those Dems 'favored' identities.

 

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