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5 hours ago, Hibi said:

But in The Man Who Knew Too Much, the audience DOES hear what Louis Bernard says to Stewart. The film was just on last week.

Really?  Well, what did he say?  Clue me in...I don't recall hearing him say anything you could pick up on screen.  If you don't know, that's OK.  I'll see if it's still in the On-Demand section so I can get to the bottom of this.

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6 minutes ago, midwestan said:

Really?  Well, what did he say?  Clue me in...I don't recall hearing him say anything you could pick up on screen.  If you don't know, that's OK.  I'll see if it's still in the On-Demand section so I can get to the bottom of this.

He said what Stewart wrote down. He whispered it to him in a halting voice, but you could hear what he said.

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I kind of felt sorry for ol' Barry. Sure he was messin' around with the boss's wife, which is a no-no, but

a lot of people do that. I don't think it deserves an assassination attempt. And later on Barry might have

killed Dekker in self-defense. By the Code he had to bite the big one, but that doesn't seem fair. I thought

Bonita was pretty sexy, so he should have taken as much hard cash as possible and left town with her,

after which they could have lived their second-rate  nasty lives for as long as they could stand each other.

I don't know about that so-called dominatrix skating outfit. Looked pretty tame, like it was designed by

Walt Disney. The skating provided a little break from the noir plot and the movie was pretty good. Still,

I would have gone with less skating and more peanuts. 

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1 minute ago, Vautrin said:

I don't know about that so-called dominatrix skating outfit. Looked pretty tame, like it was designed by

Walt Disney.

Well, it was from 1946 or thereabouts.  I think the outfit was a less formal version of what 'Madame Satan' wore 14 years earlier during that wild costume party aboard the dirigible.  And, Belita was maskless too.  Maybe if she had a whip in one hand and a cigarette in the other it would have given her that 'edge' you were hoping for. 🙂

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32 minutes ago, Hibi said:

He said what Stewart wrote down. He whispered it to him in a halting voice, but you could hear what he said.

Got it!  I retract my earlier statement about not being important as to knowing what Bonita Granville found out about Barry Sullivan and why he fled New York for Los Angeles.  Now, as for conspiracy theories as to why Sullivan bolted from the Big Apple...I'll bet it had something to do with a jaywalking incident on 49th Street in Manhattan!

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41 minutes ago, midwestan said:

Really?  Well, what did he say?  Clue me in...I don't recall hearing him say anything you could pick up on screen.  If you don't know, that's OK.  I'll see if it's still in the On-Demand section so I can get to the bottom of this.

He whispers that a statesman will be assassinated in London. He adds that he hates "Que Sera Sera."

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1 hour ago, midwestan said:

Well, it was from 1946 or thereabouts.  I think the outfit was a less formal version of what 'Madame Satan' wore 14 years earlier during that wild costume party aboard the dirigible.  And, Belita was maskless too.  Maybe if she had a whip in one hand and a cigarette in the other it would have given her that 'edge' you were hoping for. 🙂

True. I wasn't expecting too much, but it seemed pretty tame, even for 1946. I'm sure if they needed some

more stuff Albert Dekker could have scrounged up something from his dressing room, if he had his own

dressing room. 

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1 hour ago, midwestan said:

Well, it was from 1946 or thereabouts.  I think the outfit was a less formal version of what 'Madame Satan' wore 14 years earlier during that wild costume party aboard the dirigible.  And, Belita was maskless too.  Maybe if she had a whip in one hand and a cigarette in the other it would have given her that 'edge' you were hoping for. 🙂

I think any ice skating routine would definitely benefit from the inclusion of A WHIP!!!

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8 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

i HAVE MENTIONED (oops, caps lock) this before, but the BONITA GRANVILLE-LED WB NANCY DREW series (of three films?) is, for me, a precursor to the DIRTY HARRY CALLAHAN FILMS of the 70s and 80s.

In her quest for justice, NANCY routinely obstructs it, lies to police, hides evidence, breaks enterings, AND IN ONE CASE EVEN DRUGS AN OLD LADY SO SHE CAN RIFLE HER BEDROOM FOR EVIDENCE.

Along for the ride is NANCY'S patsy boyfriend NED NICKERSON, who I think is played by FRANKIE THOMAS and is very cute to be such an unwitting doormat.

 

There were four Nancy Drew movies.  I don't see her as a precursor to the Dirty Callahan films.  Frankie Thomas had an interesting career primarily as Tom Corbett, Space Cadet.  He beat out Jack Nicholson for the role. 

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9 minutes ago, ElCid said:

There were four Nancy Drew movies.  I don't see her as a precursor to the Dirty Callahan films.  Frankie Thomas had an interesting career primarily as Tom Corbett, Space Cadet.  He beat out Jack Nicholson for the role. 

I was kidding about The Nancy Drew series Inspiring or leading the way for the later dirty Harry movies. However, I distinctly recall and watching them that Nancy commits like 8 to 9 Punishable acts herself in her quest for the truth. She let nothing get in the way of her pursuit of justice.

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31 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

I was kidding about The Nancy Drew series Inspiring or leading the way for the later dirty Harry movies. However, I distinctly recall and watching them that Nancy commits like 8 to 9 Punishable acts herself in her quest for the truth. She let nothing get in the way of her pursuit of justice.

Nancy was just following in the footsteps of Marlowe and Spade!

Bonita Granville-HSB Noticias / Cine

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5 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Nancy was just following in the footsteps of Marlowe and Spade!

Bonita Granville-HSB Noticias / Cine

“Can’t make an omelet without breakin some eggs, baby!”

The only thing that could possibly have improved the Nancy Drew series for me would have been Thomas Mitchell or Lionel Barrymore as the local police chief who bangs his fist on his desk periodically throughout the film and said things like “YOU’RE OUTTA CONTROL DREW, BUT GALLDANGITT YOU GET RESULTS!!!!”

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9 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

Literally, the ONLY reason for her character to exist in SUSPENSE is so she can shoot him in the end. I thought when she showed up, some kind of GLORIA GRAHAME like machinations were gonna emerge, but NOPE.

It would have made a lot more sense if her character had been a SHOWBIZ URCHIN of some sort- like daughter of the ICE CAPADES lighting guy or seamstress who BARRY seduces and uses and throws aside.

Actually here Lorna, I find it strangely coincidental in a way that you've brought up Gloria Grahame here in connection with Bonita.

You see, while watching Suspense the other night and in particular a scene which included a closeup shot of Bonita's face, it caught my attention that the lipstick applied to her upper lip went way up and over her natural lip line, and which as you might know was also how you'd almost always see Gloria's lipstick applied to her upper lip. With both ladies having rather thin upper lips, and which I understand Gloria was particualrly self-conscious about, I suppose this would account for this.

And so in THIS regard, I guess you could say Bonita showed "Gloria Grahame like machinations", anyway.

(...and btw, I also agree with your thought about Bonita's character not being written well enough to explain her obsession with Sullivan's Joe, and thus seemingly only introduced to be the one who'll give us the final resolution to the story...good point)

 

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On 11/29/2020 at 5:08 PM, misswonderly3 said:

SPOILERS AHEAD,  DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T YET SEEN THIS FILM.

 

But even more frustrating, something I felt really twisted on,  was, we never get to see Frank Leonard again.  We know he's alive , that he escaped the avalanche, when he finally appears in Joe's office, that's it !  We see him for about 2 seconds.  We don't know what really happens, we just hear a lot of bumping and thumping around.  I do like the touches of the pipe, and the idea of stuffing poor Frank's body into the desk.  (I know those old pull-down desks were big, but really?  would a body the size of Frank's fit?  Did Joe have to sort of scrunch him up a bit?  And how did the cat get in?)

there was something almost BELA LUGOSI in PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE about ALBERT DEKKER'S odd disappearance from the film...HE ALSO GOES ON VACATION FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES EARLY ON, which reminded me of GENE TIERNEY showing up at the beginning of BLACK WIDOW and then taking a vacation from the film for a big chunk.

i'm not going to call myself an expert, but I'm sorry, if a major character in your script goes on vacation and leaves the story for 20-30 pages, you need to think seriously about a second draft.

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I think it's also worth it to bring PHILLIP YORDAN into the conversation. He was the SCREENWRITER of SUSPENSE and EDDIE mentions him often in DARK CITY. I was going to post his credits here, but they are REALLY LONG. NONETHELESS, I invite you to imdb him because, damn, that is one SCUD MISSILE of a writing career he had.

according to wikipedia, YORDAN became know as a "credit stealer" and also acted as a front a couple of times for blacklisted writers.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0948634/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

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22 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

Throw FRANK LOVEJOY into the equation and I'd just THROW MY HANDS UP and figure at least their mothers can tell 'em apart.

Naw....  LOVEJOY don't work for me.  I'd more confuse him with CHARLES McGRAW.  Or in some cases EDWARD BINNS.

Sepiatone

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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

Naw....  LOVEJOY don't work for me.  I'd more confuse him with CHARLES McGRAW.  Or in some cases EDWARD BINNS.

Sepiatone

It’s a shame they didn’t all get together and make some version of OCEAN’S 11 where they are able to pull off a MAJOR Las Vegas casino HEIST cause nobody can tell any of them apart.

edit- they could even call it OCEAN'S 11, OR POSSIBLY 12- WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE TO BE HONEST

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On 11/30/2020 at 2:44 PM, LornaHansonForbes said:

I think any ice skating routine would definitely benefit from the inclusion of A WHIP!!!  
 

Lucille Ball used a whip in her routine in ZIEGFELD FOLLIES, also done in the mid-40s.  I always imagined her using it on Desi when he strayed, or before he went on tour.

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1 hour ago, Arturo said:
On 11/30/2020 at 5:44 PM, LornaHansonForbes said:

I think any ice skating routine would definitely benefit from the inclusion of A WHIP!!!  
 

Lucille Ball used a whip in her routine in ZIEGFELD FOLLIES, also done in the mid-40s.  I always imagined her using it on Desi when he strayed, or before he went on tour.

as disappointing as it is that she has no lines and doesn't sing**, LUCY slays THAT NUMBER.

**This was well before her 8-pack a day habit caught up with her, [ie MAME (1974)]

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