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i apologize for not shutting up in re PARTY GIRL, but like Peter O'Toole's dry cleaner: I hate seeing work that is not its best.

this was not a movie, this was a contractual obligation.

MGM was staring at the 1960's and a new world that wasn't in the mood for garish pastel musicals and candy-dipped slices of Americana. they had three properties (this script, Charisse and Taylor) that needed to be liquidated and this was cashing a check.

in re Robert Taylor: there are some bad actors I personally dislike and hold in contempt and some that- for whatever inscrutable reason- i don't actively dislike as people- Robert Taylor falls into the second category. Maybe in the days before prescription opioids and ten hour long youtube videos of ocean waves, people were lulled into a tranquil state by going to see his movies in air conditioned darkness and listening to him DRONE ON IN THAT GD LIFE-SUCKING MONOTONE for two hours until they achieved something as close to nirvana as you could attain in Eisenhower's America; at least when he was younger he was cute. i add that while i don't actively dislike him, I still find myself shouting at the television periodically when he is on in something: "YOU LIVED WITH STANWYCK FOR, WHAT?!, A DECADE, AND NONE- and I MEAN NONE OF THAT TALENT RUBBED OFF? SHE NEVER GAVE YOU A LESSON? DID SHE CHARGE TOO MUCH? WHAT?!! TELL ME BOB!!!!!"

in re: Charisse. I'm mad at her. There was no excuse for her performance in this movie; with Taylor- he was at the end of his run and knew it- with her- NO, this was at a critical juncture in her career and some ACTUAL EFFORT OUTSIDE OF A BIKINI WAX IS NECESSARY FOR THIS ROLE. Look, Cydney, I'm sorry MGM is a Gestapo; I know they don't make films noir, they ARE one big film noir; I know you want out of this place and i know you're inclined to give, at best, 60% to this effort as it's your last for the company, but the thing is, film is forever. And people are going to pay to see this.

i know in HOLLYWOOD, you're only as good as your last picture, but i am still stunned that neither lead actor in the movie was willing (by all appearances) to [REALLY AND TRULY]work with a director who had very recently directed two pretty impressive and successful and innovative films that even back then, i think it's safe to say, made an impression on people (JOHNNY GUITAR and REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE.)

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19 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

i apologize for not shutting up in re PARTY GIRL, but like Peter O'Toole's dry cleaner: I hate seeing work that is not its best.

this was not a movie, this was a contractual obligation.

MGM was staring at the 1960's and a new world that wasn't in the mood for garish pastel musicals and candy-dipped slices of Americana. they had three properties (this script, Charisse and Taylor) that needed to be liquidated and this was cashing a check.

in re Robert Taylor: there are some bad actors I personally dislike and hold in contempt and some that- for whatever inscrutable reason- i don't actively dislike as people- Robert Taylor falls into the second category. Maybe in the days before prescription opioids and ten hour long youtube videos of ocean waves, people were lulled into a tranquil state by going to see his movies in air conditioned darkness and listening to him DRONE ON IN THAT GD LIFE-SUCKING MONOTONE for two hours until they achieved something as close to nirvana as you could attain in Eisenhower's America; at least when he was younger he was cute. i add that while i don't actively dislike him, I still find myself shouting at the television periodically when he is on in something: "YOU LIVED WITH STANWYCK FOR, WHAT?!, A DECADE, AND NONE- and I MEAN NONE OF THAT TALENT RUBBED OFF? SHE NEVER GAVE YOU A LESSON? DID SHE CHARGE TOO MUCH? WHAT?!! TELL ME BOB!!!!!"

in re: Charisse. I'm mad at her. There was no excuse for her performance in this movie; with Taylor- he was at the end of his run and knew it- with her- NO, this was at a critical juncture in her career and some ACTUAL EFFORT OUTSIDE OF A BIKINI WAX IS NECESSARY FOR THIS ROLE. Look, Cydney, I'm sorry MGM is a Gestapo; I know they don't make films noir, they ARE one big film noir; I know you want out of this place and i know you're inclined to give, at best, 60% to this effort as it's your last for the company, but the thing is, film is forever. And people are going to pay to see this.

i know in HOLLYWOOD, you're only as good as your last picture, but i am still stunned that neither lead actor in the movie was willing (by all appearances) to [REALLY AND TRULY]work with a director who had very recently directed two pretty impressive and successful and innovative films that even back then, i think it's safe to say, made an impression on people (JOHNNY GUITAR and REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE.)

Excellent write up. I agree with everything you say. When the movie ended, I kinda went, "Huh?" I thought there were too many dance numbers and the story itself rather dull. MGM should have left the noir to Warners and RKO. 

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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

PS- HOW HILARIOUS WOULD IT HAVE BEEN IF THEY HAD GOTTEN STANWYCK TO DO A CAMEO AS TAYLOR'S WIFE WHO WON'T GIVE HIM A DIVORCE?

LOL!!!!!

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On 7/8/2018 at 6:02 PM, misswonderly3 said:

Notes on "Party Girl": Something the film has in common with "On the Waterfront" besides Lee J. Cobb is male leads wearing eye-liner.

Cyd , who is a lovely woman, looks like her hair is a helmut. Oh, wait, Robert Taylor's hair, too.

Anyone think the guy who played Cookie LaMotte ( gotta love that name) was cast because of a slight resemblance to Brando?  He was clearly "channeling" Brando, too, in his acting style, sneering, etc. I kept waiting for him to talk about the Napoleonic Code.

How long is that blissful romantic holiday Cyd and Robert T. take, after his operation? The montage was kind of fun, in a way, a recipe for romance cliches for anyone who wants to include a montage of, uh, romance cliches in their movie.

How come the cops escort Cyd to that train car and then just abandon her? How come she - or the cops - hadn't locked the door? It was kind of too easy, wasn't it?

The avaricious wife turns up in Cyd's dressing room and threatens to get Taylor back. Really? This scene is totally unnecessary. No one believes for one moment that this mean wife thing is going to go anywhere.

Everyone's looking kind of old in this (except Cobb, who looks the same age whether he's 30 or 50.)  Taylor, John Ireland, even Cyd -- but the harsh colour treatment doesn't help.

you know what? Despite all of the above snark, I didn't mind this movie. It was actually kind of nice, in parts. 

Everyone looked old in this movie. Even Cyd, who was forced to wear some unflattering hairstyles/wigs. And Taylor's make up and dye job made him look like the heavy, not Cobb. If they had cut out around 15 mins from the movie (including the dance numbers) it MIGHT have been a better film.......

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20 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

1. I love this post

2. Have you heard that Elvis Costello is not doing well? Apparently an aggressive form of cancer. 

Really??? That's sad. :(

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15 hours ago, cigarjoe said:

It's got a great car chase in the L.A. River.

Always find it interesting when movies have scenes from the LA River.  I assume that at some times, there is actually more than a trickle of water in it?  Does it ever get fairly full?  Asking about the concrete portions used in movies.

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20 hours ago, TheCid said:

Finally got around to watching Party Girl.  BORING!  Thank goodness I could fast forward through it.  Course never have found Robert Taylor or Cyd Charise interesting anyway.  My wife said that Taylor played his role the same as he did in Quo Vadis.  He plays everything the same - wooden.  Agreed with her.

As for it being Noir, I just can't see it.  If this is Noir, every crime movie and every movie with bad people is Noir.

As for next week's Roadblock, I read the wikipedia description and it sounds familiar.  Will watch it.

It sounds familiar to me too. But I'll tune in. If it's what I'm thinking, I remember liking it.......

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8 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Always find it interesting when movies have scenes from the LA River.  I assume that at some times, there is actually more than a trickle of water in it?  Does it ever get fairly full?  Asking about the concrete portions used in movies.

OK. Now I know I've seen it! But I'll tune in again. I liked it.

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10 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Always find it interesting when movies have scenes from the LA River.  I assume that at some times, there is actually more than a trickle of water in it?  Does it ever get fairly full?  Asking about the concrete portions used in movies.

I dont live in LA, but I think it depends on the season. In the old days it used to be a river, but they damned it all up to prevent flooding. I think some of the upper parts are river/creek like before it hits LA.........

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Just now, LornaHansonForbes said:

new season of FEAR THY NEIGHBOR has been pretty solid tho.

Yes. I love that show. I can see that stuff happening.........

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20 minutes ago, Hibi said:

Everyone looked old in this movie. Even Cyd, who was forced to wear some unflattering hairstyles/wigs. And Taylor's make up and dye job made him look like the heavy, not Cobb. If they had cut out around 15 mins from the movie (including the dance numbers) it MIGHT have been a better film.......

the Italian comic book anithero DIABOLIK was drawn to represent ROBERT TAYLOR, and that is always on my mind when i see him...

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Okay Lorna, go ahead and pick on poor wooden Bob all ya want here, but I STILL say he would have made a much better and much more believable love interest for Audrey Hepburn's Sabrina than did Bogart in '54!

 

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2 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

i apologize for not shutting up in re PARTY GIRL, but like Peter O'Toole's dry cleaner: I hate seeing work that is not its best.

this was not a movie, this was a contractual obligation.

MGM was staring at the 1960's and a new world that wasn't in the mood for garish pastel musicals and candy-dipped slices of Americana. they had three properties (this script, Charisse and Taylor) that needed to be liquidated and this was cashing a check.

in re Robert Taylor: there are some bad actors I personally dislike and hold in contempt and some that- for whatever inscrutable reason- i don't actively dislike as people- Robert Taylor falls into the second category. Maybe in the days before prescription opioids and ten hour long youtube videos of ocean waves, people were lulled into a tranquil state by going to see his movies in air conditioned darkness and listening to him DRONE ON IN THAT GD LIFE-SUCKING MONOTONE for two hours until they achieved something as close to nirvana as you could attain in Eisenhower's America; at least when he was younger he was cute. i add that while i don't actively dislike him, I still find myself shouting at the television periodically when he is on in something: "YOU LIVED WITH STANWYCK FOR, WHAT?!, A DECADE, AND NONE- and I MEAN NONE OF THAT TALENT RUBBED OFF? SHE NEVER GAVE YOU A LESSON? DID SHE CHARGE TOO MUCH? WHAT?!! TELL ME BOB!!!!!"

in re: Charisse. I'm mad at her. There was no excuse for her performance in this movie; with Taylor- he was at the end of his run and knew it- with her- NO, this was at a critical juncture in her career and some ACTUAL EFFORT OUTSIDE OF A BIKINI WAX IS NECESSARY FOR THIS ROLE. Look, Cydney, I'm sorry MGM is a Gestapo; I know they don't make films noir, they ARE one big film noir; I know you want out of this place and i know you're inclined to give, at best, 60% to this effort as it's your last for the company, but the thing is, film is forever. And people are going to pay to see this.

i know in HOLLYWOOD, you're only as good as your last picture, but i am still stunned that neither lead actor in the movie was willing (by all appearances) to [REALLY AND TRULY]work with a director who had very recently directed two pretty impressive and successful and innovative films that even back then, i think it's safe to say, made an impression on people (JOHNNY GUITAR and REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE.)

There are two types of films MGM should have left alone - horror and noir. 

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14 minutes ago, Janet0312 said:

There are two types of films MGM should have left alone - horror and noir. 

Yeah, probably. Except, for maybe one the best horror films ever made...The Haunting.

Albeit, this one being shot not on any MGM Hollywood sound stage, but instead at the MGM-British studios.

(...and so perhaps your point is still well taken here, Janet)

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27 minutes ago, Janet0312 said:

There are two types of films MGM should have left alone - horror and noir. 

I dunno, THE ASPHALT JUNGLE is perfect, and I have a great deal of affection for "freaks", "the Devil Doll" and especially "mark of the vampire." And MASK OF FU MANCHU...

MGM Was on fire in the 30s, but to me their output in subsequent decades is overall weak.

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