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6 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

How can the left so shamelessly rave on about Trump after biden having handed over the entire country of Afghanistan to the islamic fundamentalist berserker to terrorize the populace...especially women.

is it not interesting that the same biden kissers of this forum who continue to trash Trump ignore biden's incompetent perfidy and what horrors await the people of Afghanistan.

I hope that the msm will not hold back on showing any visual record of the horrors there unleashed by biden's incompetence.

the fate of so many innocent afghani women will be on his miserable soul. YOU READ ME BOGIE56?

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You doan really give a rat's bum about women period, let alone one's of brown skin half a world away that practise Islam.

Trump sexually assaulted at least 21 women and he is your hero.  You read me, Mr. hypocrite?

All of a sudden Trump is ready to go to war in Afghanistan and bomb the living hell out of everyone.  The guy is a dangerous incompetent buffoon and his followers are complete idiots too.

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1 minute ago, Bogie56 said:

You doan really give a rat's bum about women period, let alone one's of brown skin half a world away that practise Islam.

Trump sexually assaulted at least 21 women and he is your hero.  You read me, Mr. hypocrite?

the taliban berserkers are going to do a bit more than grope afghani women's rears...I do hope cnn and msnbc will show it rather than giving biden protection fronm his own legacy.

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5 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

the taliban berserkers are going to do a bit more than grope afghani women's rears...I do hope cnn and msnbc will show it rather than giving biden protection fronm his own legacy.

Well it gives you something else to pretend to care about and to have a good moan.  I'm sure that you are praying for the worst to happen as it would suit you to a tee.  

Oh, and BTW Trump was accused of rape.

 

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2 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Well it gives you something else to pretend to care about and to have a good moan.  I'm sure that you are praying for the worst to happen as it would suit you to a tee.  

Oh, and BTW Trump was accused of rape.

 

then you think biden's troop exodus was brilliant?:P

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4 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

then you think biden's troop exodus was brilliant?:P

He did what Trump didn't have the guts to do in the four years he was in office.   Bonespurs was an incompetent buffoon.  

You should be happy that American troops won't be dying in that God forsaken place any longer.  Biden pulled that off.

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Donny was going to get out of Afghanistan anyway. And the Tallyban were going to take over no matter

who was president.

 

Robert E. Lee-won

Stonewall Jackson-lost

U.S. Grant-lost

William 'Uncle Billy' Sherman-won

Napoleon-lost

Marshall Zhukov-lost

Heinz Guderian-won

 

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Satire from the Borowitz Report

Not the news.

 
“Let’s say someone has been receiving payments of billions of rubles for four years, and they’re buried in a vault under the Kremlin,” the former President said.
October 5, 2021

 

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FBI raids $15m D.C. mansion of Russian oligarch and Putin ally Oleg Deripaska, who has ties to former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and ex-MI6 spy Christopher Steele 

FBI raids DC mansion of Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, who was linked to Trump ally Paul

FBI agents have reportedly surrounded the Washington, DC residence of Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska late on Monday morning. Why they swarmed the billionaire oil tycoon's home is unclear at this time but the action was court-ordered, according to NBC who first broke the news. An FBI spokesperson told the outlet without elaborating that its conducting 'law enforcement activity at the home.' Deripaska is a close associate of Russian President Vladimir Putin who's been accused of helping the Kremlin conduct foreign influence operations. A 1,000-page Senate Intelligence Committee report released last year also links him to former Trump 2016 campaign chair Paul Manafort and ex-MI6 spy Christopher Steele. Deripaska and other members of Putin's inner circle as well as 12 Russian businesses were blacklisted by the Treasury Department in 2018 over alleged international crimes The next year however, Donald Trump lifted sanctions on three companies connected to him despite objections from Congressional Democrats. At the time Trump's Treasury Department claimed those companies 'have reduced Oleg Deripaska’s direct and indirect shareholding stake in those companies and severed his control.' The billionaire's DC mansion, called the Haft Mansion, is reportedly worth $15 million, according to the Daily Beast. 

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and b) because it was obvious from the start that Trump could not be shamed and his supporters could not be dissuaded. The trail to follow was the money trail - and that of course was the trail specifically prohibited to Mueller by the Trump DoJ.
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From the Atlantic

The factual record on Trump-Russia has been set forth most authoritatively by the report of the Senate Intelligence Committee, then chaired by Richard Burr, a Republican from North Carolina. I’ll reduce the complex details to a very few agreed upon by virtually everybody outside the core Trump-propaganda group.

  1. Dating back to at least 2006, Trump and his companies did tens of millions of dollars of business with Russian individuals and other buyers whose profiles raised the possibility of money laundering. More than one-fifth of all the condominiums sold by Trump over his career were purchased in all-cash transactions by shell companies, a 2018 BuzzFeed News investigation found.
  2. In 2013, Trump’s pursuit of Russian business intensified. That year, he staged the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Around that time, Trump opened discussions on the construction of a Trump Tower in Moscow, from which he hoped to earn “hundreds of millions of dollars, if the project advanced to completion,” in the words of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
  3. Trump continued to pursue the Tower deal for a year after he declared himself a candidate for president. “By early November 2015, Trump and a Russia-based developer signed a Letter of Intent laying out the main terms of a licensing deal,” the Senate Intelligence Committee found. Trump’s representatives directly lobbied aides to Russian President Vladimir Putin in January 2016. Yet repeatedly during the 2016 campaign, Trump falsely stated that he had no business with Russia—perhaps most notably in his second presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, in October 2016.
  4. Early in 2016, President Putin ordered an influence operation to “harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the U.S. democratic process.” Again, that’s from the Senate Intelligence Committee report.
  5. The Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos “likely learned about the Russian active measures campaign as early as April 2016,” the Senate Intelligence Committee wrote. In May 2016, Papadopoulos indiscreetly talked with Alexander Downer, then the Australian high commissioner to the United Kingdom, about Russia’s plot to intervene in the U.S. election to hurt Clinton and help Trump. Downer described the conversation in a report to his government. By long-standing agreement, Australia shares intelligence with the U.S. government. It was Papadopoulos’s blurt to Downer that set in motion the FBI investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, a revelation authoritatively reported more than three years ago.
  6. In June 2016, the Trump campaign received a request for a meeting from a Russian lawyer offering harmful information on Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump Jr. and other senior Trump advisers accepted the meeting. The Trump team did not obtain the dirt they’d hoped for. But the very fact of the meeting confirmed to the Russian side the Trump campaign’s eagerness to accept Russian assistance. Shortly after, Trump delivered his “Russia, if you’re listening” invitation at his last press conference of the campaign.
  7. WikiLeaks released two big caches of hacked Democratic emails in July and October 2016. In the words of the Senate Intelligence Committee: “WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian intelligence campaign and very likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort.”
  8. Through its ally Roger Stone, the Trump campaign team assiduously tried to communicate with WikiLeaks. Before the second WikiLeaks release, “Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone’s information suggested more releases would be forthcoming,” according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. In late summer and early fall 2016, Stone repeatedly predicted that WikiLeaks would publish an “October surprise” that would harm the Clinton campaign.
  9. At the same time as it welcomed Russian help, the Trump campaign denied and covered up Russian involvement: “The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and was indifferent to whether it and WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort,” the Intelligence Committee found.
  10. In March 2016, the Trump campaign accepted the unpaid services of Paul Manafort, deeply beholden to deeply shady Russian business and political figures. “On numerous occasions, Manafort sought to secretly share internal Campaign information” with a man the Intelligence Committee identified as a Russian intelligence officer. “Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services … represented a grave counterintelligence threat,” the committee found. Through 2016, the Russian state launched a massive Facebook disinformation program that aligned with the Trump campaign strategy.
  11. At crucial moments in the 2016 election, Trump publicly took positions that broke with past Republican policy and served no apparent domestic political purpose, but that supported Putin’s foreign-policy goals: scoffing at NATO support for Estonia, denigrating allies such as Germany, and endorsing Britain’s exit from the European Union.
  12. Throughout the 2016 election and after, people close to Trump got themselves into serious legal and political trouble by lying to the public, to Congress, and even to the FBI about their Russian connections.
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It remains fact that Russian hackers and spies helped his campaign. It remains fact that the Trump campaign welcomed the help. It remains fact that Trump’s campaign chairman sought to share proprietary campaign information with a person whom the Senate report identified as a “Russian intelligence officer.” It remains fact that Trump hoped to score a huge payday in Russia even as he ran for president. It remains fact that Trump and those around him lied, and lied, and lied again about their connections to Russia.

Outright pro-Trump people remain deeply invested in those lies. 

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David Frum on the fantasy that Trump is the victim of a Russia Hoax.

They focus on details of the Steele dossier to score points against people that they don't like, such as Hillary Clinton.

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The US is a very legalistic society. When confronted with a scandal - eg a major-party candidate for president building his campaign on assistance from the espionage agencies of a hostile foreign government - Americans instinctively look to the criminal law for help. But ...
 
 
Trump-Russia presented a challenge to the US political system. In this hyper-polarized era, could US citizens set aside partisan loyalty in the face of actions that were so terribly, seriously, and clearly *wrong* - even if those actions did not support a criminal indictment?
 
 
That was the challenge of Trump-Russia. And sadly ... it was a challenge mostly failed. My story in @TheAtlantic
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9 hours ago, Bogie56 said:
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The US is a very legalistic society. When confronted with a scandal - eg a major-party candidate for president building his campaign on assistance from the espionage agencies of a hostile foreign government - Americans instinctively look to the criminal law for help. But ...
 
 
Trump-Russia presented a challenge to the US political system. In this hyper-polarized era, could US citizens set aside partisan loyalty in the face of actions that were so terribly, seriously, and clearly *wrong* - even if those actions did not support a criminal indictment?
 
 
That was the challenge of Trump-Russia. And sadly ... it was a challenge mostly failed. My story in @TheAtlantic

About the author: David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy (2020). In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

If Donald Trump had been supported only by people who affirmatively liked him, his attack on American democracy would never have gotten as far as it did.

Instead, at almost every turn, Trump was helped by people who had little liking for him as a human being or politician, but assessed that he could be useful for purposes of their own. The latest example: the suddenly red-hot media campaign to endorse Trump’s fantasy that he was the victim of a “Russia hoax.”

Franklin Foer: Russiagate was not a hoax

The usual suspects in the pro-Trump media ecosystem will of course endorse and repeat everything Trump says, no matter how outlandish. But it’s not pro-Trumpers who are leading the latest round of Trump-Russia denialism. This newest round of excuse-making is being sounded from more respectable quarters, in many cases by people distinguished as Trump critics. With Trump out of office—at least for the time being—they now feel free to subordinate their past concerns about him to other private quarrels with the FBI or mainstream media institutions. On high-subscription Substacks, on popular podcasts, even from within prestige media institutions, people with scant illusions about Trump the man and president are nonetheless volunteering to help him execute one of his Big Lies.

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David Frum has a history of being horrifyingly wrong and he has the nerve to cast a disparaging accusations against others who don't support his view point. Talk about no accountability,  Frum's support for war and the million deaths, this guy should be banned for life for giving his opinion, not rehabilitated because he hate's Trump.

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David Frum's article is based on the Marco Rubio Republican lead Intel Committee Report on the Trump's campaign involvement with Russia.

He is on record as saying that he got it all wrong about Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction.  So did a lot of people.

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