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13 minutes ago, TopBilled said:

Do you think people liked John Wayne films because he was fulfilling their idea of bravery and heroism, and if he happened to give them strong acting entertainment that was just an added bonus, not a requirement..? In other threads people have discussed whether he was a draft dodger in the 40s. So there is a lot to be said in why people like him and don't like him.

Yes,  clearly there are fans of actors that tend to focus on films where the actor plays a character that fits some type of ideal that these fans find appealing. (and in the inverse don't like actors based on the type of characters they have played). 

E.g.  Mitchum;  two of his best performances are in Cape Fear and Night of the Hunter, but those are NOT heroic characters.     Shelley Winters is another example (she plays many annoying characters,  but she was one of the best at doing so).  

Personally I don't view actors that way.      I.e. I try not to let their private lives impact how I 'view' them as it relates to acting and I tend to like actors that can wear two hats (black and white),  depending on the character they are portraying.       

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16 minutes ago, TopBilled said:

Do you think people liked John Wayne films because he was fulfilling their idea of bravery and heroism, and if he happened to give them strong acting entertainment that was just an added bonus, not a requirement..? In other threads people have discussed whether he was a draft dodger in the 40s. So there is a lot to be said in why people like him and don't like him.

I never thought of him that way actually. I looked at him as an actor, and the movies as escapism, and as excellent Westerns. Liberty Valance would have been in my 7's or 8's, actually.

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7 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Yes,  clearly there are fans of actors that tend to focus on films where the actor plays a character that fits some type of ideal that these fans find appealing. (and in the inverse don't like actors based on the type of characters they have played). 

E.g.  Mitchum;  two of his best performances are in Cape Fear and Night of the Hunter, but those are NOT heroic characters.     Shelley Winters is another example (she plays many annoying characters,  but she was one of the best at doing so).  

Personally I don't view actors that way.      I.e. I try not to let their private lives impact how I 'view' them as it relates to acting and I tend to like actors that can wear two hats (black and white),  depending on the character they are portraying.       

Night of the Hunter is one of my all-time favorites, actually.

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8 minutes ago, ChaplinsWolf said:

I never thought of him that way actually. I looked at him as an actor, and the movies as escapism, and as excellent Westerns. Liberty Valance would have been in my 7's or 8's, actually.

LIBERTY VALANCE is my least favorite one of his, from the 60s. He didn't care for it either. After it came out, he told the people on his next films he never wanted to do anything like that again where all he did was stand around. He liked action scenes.

I think CIRCUS WORLD is kind of dreadful too. Seems derivative of THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH, and uses a lot of fake process shots. But it still has some value, because of the action and because he's playing another one of his strong character types.

From his later stuff in the 70s, I love THE SHOOTIST and I am a fan of BRANNIGAN, which was a change of pace for him. He appreciated working alongside actors whose talents were widely admired. So in BRANNIGAN, we get Richard Attenborough, Mell Ferrer and Ralph Meeker. Such a great supporting cast.

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On 3/18/2018 at 2:38 PM, TopBilled said:

LIBERTY VALANCE is my least favorite one of his, from the 60s. He didn't care for it either. After it came out, he told the people on his next films he never wanted to do anything like that again where all he did was stand around. He liked action scenes.

I think CIRCUS WORLD is kind of dreadful too. Seems derivative of THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH, and uses a lot of fake process shots. But it still has some value, because of the action and because he's playing another one of his strong character types.

From his later stuff in the 70s, I love THE SHOOTIST and I am a fan of BRANNIGAN, which was a change of pace for him. He appreciated working alongside actors whose talents were widely admired. So in BRANNIGAN, we get Richard Attenborough, Mell Ferrer and Ralph Meeker. Such a great supporting cast.

Anything I get Attenborough in I like.

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Back to the John Wayne discussion....I'll just say that I don't give a hoot about the politics of actors. I only focus on what they do on the big screen. The rest is none of my business. Actually, the rest of it is probably just malicious gossip.

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19 hours ago, kjrwe said:

Back to the John Wayne discussion....I'll just say that I don't give a hoot about the politics of actors. I only focus on what they do on the big screen. The rest is none of my business. Actually, the rest of it is probably just malicious gossip.

I also don't care about an actor's politics or what they do in their personal life as it relates to if I'll watch movies they are in and how much I enjoy those movies.

But I wouldn't view 'the rest' as just malicious gossip;  most is based on actual facts;  E.g. Wayne didn't serve during WWII,  and Fonda did go to Vietnam  (these two examples were chosen for a reason,  ha ha).

   

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Top western must be the six-hour Lonesome Dove. Nothing like it before or since, but does TV mini-series qualify? After Dove comes Shane - a perfect Western with the iconic rugged individual as its main character, the gorgeous cinematography, and the classic simple tale of good and evil.   

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Shane is the top of my favorite westerns list (btw-anyone notice that Pale Rider shares the same plot?)  After that would be anything with Jimmy Stewart, whether he plays the good guy or the bad guy.  Lonesome Dove (first series) gets honorable mention.  Duvall plays a really believable cowboy.

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The Plainsman 1936  Union Pacific 1939  Dodge  City 1939   Pursued 1947  Red River 1948  Colorado Territory 1949  The Furies 1950  The Gunfighter 1950 Broken Arrow 1950   High Noon 1952  Shane  1953  The Man From Laramie  1955  The Searchers 1956  The Tall T 1957  3:10 To Yuma 1957  Lonely Are The Brave 1962 The Good, The Bad And The Ugly 1966  Once Upon A  Time In The West 1968  The Wild Bunch 1969  Support Your Local Sheriff 1969 . These are my top twenty westerns. I have many more westerns that I like, but can not list them all.

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On 3/18/2018 at 3:24 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:

Yes,  clearly there are fans of actors that tend to focus on films where the actor plays a character that fits some type of ideal that these fans find appealing. (and in the inverse don't like actors based on the type of characters they have played). 

E.g.  Mitchum;  two of his best performances are in Cape Fear and Night of the Hunter, but those are NOT heroic characters.     Shelley Winters is another example (she plays many annoying characters,  but she was one of the best at doing so).  

Personally I don't view actors that way.      I.e. I try not to let their private lives impact how I 'view' them as it relates to acting and I tend to like actors that can wear two hats (black and white),  depending on the character they are portraying.       

100% on your first points   Ironically, i also somewhat study the real west & most of the cowboys & such looked nothing like THE DUKE or COOP, but were more of a mixed race & with longer hair

 

Instead of being pc in it's 1999 [poll & tv sp3ecial & ranking WAYNE all the way down the list at #13th of male stars, he shoulda been in the top 3?

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On 6/3/2018 at 4:49 PM, Rowdy said:

Shane is the top of my favorite westerns list (btw-anyone notice that Pale Rider shares the same plot?)  After that would be anything with Jimmy Stewart, whether he plays the good guy or the bad guy.  Lonesome Dove (first series) gets honorable mention.  Duvall plays a really believable cowboy.

My mother not only got to meet DUVALL but escort him down to his limo in 1980 when she was security at the now long gone PLAYBOY HOTEL & CASINO; But her girl palworking at RESORTS actually-(& at same time) got to escort my A #1 idol SINATRA to his!

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On 6/3/2018 at 4:49 PM, Rowdy said:

Shane is the top of my favorite westerns list (btw-anyone notice that Pale Rider shares the same plot?)  After that would be anything with Jimmy Stewart, whether he plays the good guy or the bad guy.  Lonesome Dove (first series) gets honorable mention.  Duvall plays a really believable cowboy.

Personally I rank LD way up in there with theatrical all-time greatest westerns!

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4 minutes ago, spence said:

100% on your first points   Ironically, i also somewhat study the real west & most of the cowboys & such looked nothing like THE DUKE or COOP, but were more of a mixed race & with longer hair

 

Instead of being pc in it's 1999 [poll & tv sp3ecial & ranking WAYNE all the way down the list at #13th of male stars, he shoulda been in the top 3?

KUDOS for citing MITCHUM'S 2 greatest roles  MAX CADY & MR. POWELL

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1st THE SEARCHERS (l956)-(AFI voted this #12 overall in '2007), SHANE (l953) (probably the most perfect ever made), ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST (l969), *UNFORGIVEN (l992), THE WILD BUNCH (l969), RED RIVER (l948), THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE (l962), HIGH NOON (l952(),  MY DARLING CLEMENTINE (l946), STAGECOACH (l939) & HONORABLE MENTION: LONESOME DOVE (l989 tv mini-series, would rate 5th though)

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Its so hard to pick a favorite western, but lately I've been in the mood to watch a lot of my favorite western movies (perhaps because of how inviting the hot, open prairie and desert looks in the midst of all the snow I've been getting in my neck of the woods lately, and how cooped up it feels. Riding out in the west seems very appealing at the moment)! Don't get me wrong, I love John Wayne, but my favorite will always be Clint Eastwood :) Hang 'Em High (1968) was my favorite, you have to love the classic The Good The Bad and The Ugly (1966), but after rewatching A Fistful of Dollars (1964) the other night, I found I really enjoyed that film in a way I previously hadn't. 

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Not really a fan of Westerns but for some reason I had a English college professor have us watch The Searchers and write a paper on it concerning...well, I forgot what the theme was to write about. Anyway, I watched the film and was impressed by the Cinematography as well as the plot. Nice to see Vera Miles as well as a young Natalie Wood. And I thought John Wayne gave a strong performance here. That last scene is compelling. 

 

So The Searchers for me is one Western I'll sit down to watch anytime it is on.

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