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Kim Jong un's derangement is over the top. Saw this on "What on Earth" last night.

Kim Jong-un destroys model village (theme park?) in North Korea built by his 'despicable human scum' uncle.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jong-un-destroys-model-village-in-north-korea-built-by-his-despicable-human-scum-uncle-a7086101.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3926740/Kim-Jong-GUN-Weapon-loving-North-Korean-leader-orders-surprise-firing-drill-visit-island-18km-South-Korea.html

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6 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Kim Jong un's derangement is over the top. Saw this on "What on Earth" last night.

Kim Jong-un destroys model village (theme park?) in North Korea built by his 'despicable human scum' uncle.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jong-un-destroys-model-village-in-north-korea-built-by-his-despicable-human-scum-uncle-a7086101.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3926740/Kim-Jong-GUN-Weapon-loving-North-Korean-leader-orders-surprise-firing-drill-visit-island-18km-South-Korea.html

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He actually killed his uncle a few years ago but his uncle was pushing for internal unrest against Kim Jong Un. Probably wants to destroy every last remnant of his uncle's legacy.

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While the Two Koreas Talk, Trump Is Throwing Shade

The White House seems hell bent on hijacking an Olympic moment of inter-Korean unity.

"....there’s no sign of genuine diplomacy that would invite dialogue. Instead, the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” campaign to further isolate North Korea aims to foment regime collapse by imposing ever more sanctions and forcing other countries to cut off relations with Pyongyang.

As if there were any doubt, Vice President Mike Pence announced in Japan on the eve of the Olympics that the United States would be unveiling the “toughest and most aggressive round of economic sanctions on North Korea ever” — and that this policy of strangulation would be in place until its “complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization.”

Sanctions Against the Most Vulnerable

The North Korean economy has been built over the last 65 years to withstand the U.S. economic blockade in place since the Korean War. But the new round of sanctions, including those imposed by the UN Security Council, target major sectors of the North Korean economy that have nothing to do with nuclear weapons or missiles, or even luxury goods for the Kim regime.

According to political economist and University of Sussex Professor Kevin Gray, measures contained in the UN resolution that passed last September belie its claims that they’re “not intended to have adverse humanitarian consequences for the civilian population.”

Instead of succeeding in forcing North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, these U.S.-led sanctions have been hitting North Korean civilians, especially the most vulnerable.

According to a January 2018 UNICEF report, up to 60,000 North Korean children could starve as a result of the sanctions.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/02/09/while-two-koreas-talk-trump-throwing-shade?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

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5 hours ago, mr6666 said:

While the Two Koreas Talk, Trump Is Throwing Shade

The White House seems hell bent on hijacking an Olympic moment of inter-Korean unity.

"....there’s no sign of genuine diplomacy that would invite dialogue. Instead, the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” campaign to further isolate North Korea aims to foment regime collapse by imposing ever more sanctions and forcing other countries to cut off relations with Pyongyang.

As if there were any doubt, Vice President Mike Pence announced in Japan on the eve of the Olympics that the United States would be unveiling the “toughest and most aggressive round of economic sanctions on North Korea ever” — and that this policy of strangulation would be in place until its “complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization.”

Sanctions Against the Most Vulnerable

The North Korean economy has been built over the last 65 years to withstand the U.S. economic blockade in place since the Korean War. But the new round of sanctions, including those imposed by the UN Security Council, target major sectors of the North Korean economy that have nothing to do with nuclear weapons or missiles, or even luxury goods for the Kim regime.

According to political economist and University of Sussex Professor Kevin Gray, measures contained in the UN resolution that passed last September belie its claims that they’re “not intended to have adverse humanitarian consequences for the civilian population.”

Instead of succeeding in forcing North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, these U.S.-led sanctions have been hitting North Korean civilians, especially the most vulnerable.

According to a January 2018 UNICEF report, up to 60,000 North Korean children could starve as a result of the sanctions.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/02/09/while-two-koreas-talk-trump-throwing-shade?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

"Regime collapse." :lol: That's how you get them to love the regime more. The original Great Famine was when anti-US and pro-war sentiments were highest in NK.

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2 hours ago, hamradio said:

2 Koreas Make History Marching Under Unified Flag In Olympics Opener

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-south-korea-olympics-unified_us_5a7d9129e4b08dfc9302f7be

 

Some progress in easing tensions.

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Unfortunately that mentally challenged American VP and his wife were the only ones who did not stand up when the combined Korean team entered and he moved his seat away from Kim Jong-un's sister without so much as a courteous hello.  I guess he has never heard of the spirit of the Olympics superseding politics for just two weeks.  What a moral coward and an opportunity missed.  America again looks small in the eyes of the rest of the world.

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9 hours ago, mr6666 said:

While the Two Koreas Talk, Trump Is Throwing Shade

The White House seems hell bent on hijacking an Olympic moment of inter-Korean unity.

"....there’s no sign of genuine diplomacy that would invite dialogue. Instead, the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” campaign to further isolate North Korea aims to foment regime collapse by imposing ever more sanctions and forcing other countries to cut off relations with Pyongyang.

As if there were any doubt, Vice President Mike Pence announced in Japan on the eve of the Olympics that the United States would be unveiling the “toughest and most aggressive round of economic sanctions on North Korea ever” — and that this policy of strangulation would be in place until its “complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization.”

Sanctions Against the Most Vulnerable

The North Korean economy has been built over the last 65 years to withstand the U.S. economic blockade in place since the Korean War. But the new round of sanctions, including those imposed by the UN Security Council, target major sectors of the North Korean economy that have nothing to do with nuclear weapons or missiles, or even luxury goods for the Kim regime.

According to political economist and University of Sussex Professor Kevin Gray, measures contained in the UN resolution that passed last September belie its claims that they’re “not intended to have adverse humanitarian consequences for the civilian population.”

Instead of succeeding in forcing North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, these U.S.-led sanctions have been hitting North Korean civilians, especially the most vulnerable.

According to a January 2018 UNICEF report, up to 60,000 North Korean children could starve as a result of the sanctions.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/02/09/while-two-koreas-talk-trump-throwing-shade?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

 

Well he's sure not starving!!:angry:

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Did Vice President Pence miss an opportunity by not engaging in any way with the North Koreans?

"He did. His behavior was boorish and politically tone-deaf," @FrankJannuzi tells @johnyangtv.

 

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The Latest: Vice President Mike Pence and his wife did not stand for the combined Korean team’s entrance. #OpeningCeremonyopeningceremony_WO_18_v2.png

 
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The Latest: Vice President Mike Pence and his wife did not stand for the combined Korean team’s entrance. #OpeningCeremonyopeningceremony_WO_18_v2.png

 

Jason KanderVerified account @JasonKander 21h21 hours ago

 
 

The Vice President doesn’t get it.

Hostile nations briefly setting aside their hostilities to compete in sport is the whole point of the Olympics.

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Chairman Kim Jong Un met with the delegation of S. Korea and invited them to dinner 

I wouldn't want to be the one that has to taste the food before any of those in the delegation eat it.  ;)

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http://www.newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/122313.php

 

Japanese police have arrested 2 men in connection with a shooting at the headquarters of a pro-North Korea organization in central Tokyo.

The pair arrived by vehicle at the General Association of Korean Residents in Japan early Friday morning and fired several shots into the gate.

No one was injured in the incident.

Riot police who were near the site arrested the men on the spot on suspicion of damaging property.

Police say the men are 46-year-old Yoshinori Kawamura, and 56-year-old Satoshi Katsurada. They say Katsurada was an active member of a right-wing group until last year.

They say Kawamura fired shots from the front passenger seat, while Katsurada was behind the steering wheel.

Police confiscated what appears to be a gun.

They say the men have admitted to the allegations, and that Katsurada staged propaganda activities in front of the building several times last year.

Nam Sung U, vice chairman of the General Association of Korean Residents in Japan, told a news conference that the crime is an unforgivable act against North Korea and its residents in Japan.

He also said the organization demands authorities determine what was behind the act and take proper measures to prevent a recurrence.

Edit: the other Japanese news video was taken down for some reason. :huh: 

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On 2/10/2018 at 2:04 AM, Bogie56 said:

Unfortunately that mentally challenged American VP and his wife were the only ones who did not stand up when the combined Korean team entered and he moved his seat away from Kim Jong-un's sister without so much as a courteous hello.  I guess he has never heard of the spirit of the Olympics superseding politics for just two weeks.  What a moral coward and an opportunity missed.  America again looks small in the eyes of the rest of the world.

trump and pence chose not to be politically correct ostriches.:P

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"........In assessing the news that North Korea is now open to “denuclearization” talks with the United States, “it’s really hard to conclude at this point that all of a sudden Kim Jong Un woke up one day and decided to genuinely give up nuclear weapons after [conducting] 90 missile tests and nuclear tests,” since coming to power in 2011, Sue Mi Terry, a former CIA Korea analyst now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told me earlier this week. These, she noted, included a suspected hydrogen bomb and three intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Kim may be hoping that the “playbook of provocation, then peace offensive, then negotiation and concession,” which worked for his father and grandfather, can work for him as well,......

But despite this checkered track record, there are still compelling reasons for the United States to enter into talks with North Korea. The latest diplomatic opening offers a chance to better understand the enigmatic Kim regime, curb its runaway nuclear program, and address direct threats to the United States that haven’t been central to past rounds of negotiations, such as the North’s proliferation of nuclear materials to other states and non-state actors and its further development of long-range missiles. ......

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/kim-jong-un-negotiations/555023/

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Jeffrey LewisVerified account @ArmsControlWonk 7h7 hours ago

 
 

PS: To be clear -- we need to talk to North Korea. But Kim is not inviting Trump so that he can surrender North Korea's weapons.

Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.

" One of the enduring questions has been what the DPRK really seeks from the United States. Most experienced voices believe that the leadership of the DPRK is seeking recognition for its regime, ultimately in the form of normalized relations. High-level contacts, such as summits and special envoys, are important evidence for North Korea that the world accepts the regime. ....

https://www.38north.org/2012/08/jlewis083012/

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Jeffrey LewisVerified account @ArmsControlWonk 7h7 hours ago

 
 

PS: To be clear -- we need to talk to North Korea. But Kim is not inviting Trump so that he can surrender North Korea's weapons.

Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.

" One of the enduring questions has been what the DPRK really seeks from the United States. Most experienced voices believe that the leadership of the DPRK is seeking recognition for its regime, ultimately in the form of normalized relations. High-level contacts, such as summits and special envoys, are important evidence for North Korea that the world accepts the regime. ....

https://www.38north.org/2012/08/jlewis083012/

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History has proven that you cannot trust Kim or Trump.

I can foresee Kim stopping further testing-temporarily, but not denuclearization or elimination of current missile stocks.  His goal is to enable China (and other countries) to reduce its ban on trade and assistance to NK.  A meeting with Trump will do that. 

The fact that Trump is coming to him is proof that he is equal to Trump.   Whether they meet in China or some other location.  Of course always possible Ivanka and Jared could go with him and arrange some back door financial/manufacturing deals.

As for any quick results, we are still negotiating a treaty to end the Korean War.  This won't be any quicker.

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10 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Jeffrey LewisVerified account @ArmsControlWonk 7h7 hours ago

 
 

PS: To be clear -- we need to talk to North Korea. But Kim is not inviting Trump so that he can surrender North Korea's weapons.

Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.

" One of the enduring questions has been what the DPRK really seeks from the United States. Most experienced voices believe that the leadership of the DPRK is seeking recognition for its regime, ultimately in the form of normalized relations. High-level contacts, such as summits and special envoys, are important evidence for North Korea that the world accepts the regime. ....

https://www.38north.org/2012/08/jlewis083012/

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Most importantly they want to reunify the north and south as one nation. The DPRK's elite actually like the US sanctioning them as it shows to their people that the US are responsible for their suffering.

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