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http://sthelepress.com/index.php/2018/02/07/on-the-february-8-parade-and-the-olympics-b-r-myers/

The Unification Minister and several other Pyongyang watchers in Seoul have come up with various reasons why the regime’s decision to stage a military parade on the eve of the “Peace Olympics” should not be seen as a sign of bad faith. The consensus is that the two events are unrelated.

Must the North do so even at times like this? Yes, especially at times like this. Kim cannot afford to let his people think that either inter-Korean talks or joint Olympic activities will undermine his commitment to routing the Yankees and unifying the homeland. Domestic political realities leave him no choice but to stay on the military-first road to “final victory.” No other way of “system maintenance” is possible over the long term.

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The peninsula flag means two very different things to the two Koreas. In the South it symbolizes a desire for peaceful co-existence, or at most for a unification of equal partners in the reassuringly remote future. In wall posters above the DMZ it has always symbolized the southern masses' yearning for "autonomous unification", meaning absorption by the North. It's worrying to think how inner-track propaganda is certain to misrepresent the South Koreans' eschewal of their state flag for this of all symbols — and at this of all events.

 

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27 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

You just gotta know that if Obama had agreed to meet Kim Jong-un the negative criticism would have been unending.

just from the GOP....

the msm would have been crawling up his kazoo with gleeful worship.

:P

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51 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

just from the GOP....

the msm would have been crawling up his kazoo with gleeful worship.

:P

But you would never have had double standards.

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Kim Jong Un wants US troops out of South Korea. Trump might too.

That puts Trump at a disadvantage heading into potential talks with Kim.

 

"....the president made a thinly veiled threat to withdraw US troops from South Korea unless Seoul somehow flows more money into America.

“We have a very big trade deficit with them, and we protect them,” Trump told the crowd. “We lose money on trade, and we lose money on the military. We have right now 32,000 soldiers on the border between North and South Korea. Let’s see what happens.”

That’s music to the ears of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un....

“It’s generally a good idea to play your cards close to your vest,” Mintaro Oba, a former State Department official who worked on North Korea policy, told me. “Sometimes you can dangle something big as a way of increasing your leverage,” he continued, “but you still wouldn’t put something on the table that would fundamentally hurt your own interests —

That’s the wrong signal to send a regime that has been talking about conquering South Korea for decades but knows that it can’t win if US troops take part in the fighting.

There’s a clear reason Kim wants Washington to withdraw its forces, and there’s an equally clear reason Trump shouldn’t be publicly hinting that he might be open to actually doing so. ,,,,,

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/15/17123818/trump-kim-jong-un-north-korea-south-korea-us-troops

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“We have a very big trade deficit with them [S. Korea], and we protect them,” Trump told the crowd.  Probably because their products are better made than what is coming out of US and Europe, at least in automobiles.  Couple of months ago, Motor Trend rated the Korean built Genesis G90 ultra-luxury car superior to BMW 7 and Lincoln Continental.  They plan to compare it to the Mercedes-Benz "S" Class soon.  The S is considered the epitome of the field.

Not to mention, the G90 is about 20-30,000 cheaper than BMW or M-B and even lower than comparably equipped Continental.

This same performance and greater value applies to most of the vehicles coming from Hyundai and Kia.

As for protecting them, that is a choice to which the US Depts. of State and Defense and all past presidents have all agreed.  Better to fight a war over there than over here.

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On March 15, 2018 at 6:01 PM, mr6666 said:

Kim Jong Un wants US troops out of South Korea. Trump might too.

That puts Trump at a disadvantage heading into potential talks with Kim.

 

"....the president made a thinly veiled threat to withdraw US troops from South Korea unless Seoul somehow flows more money into America.

“We have a very big trade deficit with them, and we protect them,” Trump told the crowd. “We lose money on trade, and we lose money on the military. We have right now 32,000 soldiers on the border between North and South Korea. Let’s see what happens.”

That’s music to the ears of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un....

“It’s generally a good idea to play your cards close to your vest,” Mintaro Oba, a former State Department official who worked on North Korea policy, told me. “Sometimes you can dangle something big as a way of increasing your leverage,” he continued, “but you still wouldn’t put something on the table that would fundamentally hurt your own interests —

That’s the wrong signal to send a regime that has been talking about conquering South Korea for decades but knows that it can’t win if US troops take part in the fighting.

There’s a clear reason Kim wants Washington to withdraw its forces, and there’s an equally clear reason Trump shouldn’t be publicly hinting that he might be open to actually doing so. ,,,,,

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/15/17123818/trump-kim-jong-un-north-korea-south-korea-us-troops

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The Art of the Deal.  Give the dictator everything he wants and declare victory nonetheless.  What a maroon.

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North Korea's Kim Jong Un, wife, watch South Korean K-pop stars perform in Pyongyang

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/south-korean-k-pop-stars-perform-for-kim-jong-un-in-pyongyang

First decent music that country ever heard in decades, too bad much of the population couldn't enjoy it. 

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

North Korea's Kim Jong Un, wife, watch South Korean K-pop stars perform in Pyongyang

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-suukyi/myanmars-suu-kyi-urges-nation-to-stay-united-amid-challenges-idUSKCN1H81CJ

First decent music that country ever heard in decades, too bad much of the population couldn't enjoy it. 

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Pop music isn't "decent." Even North Korean classical is better than pop music garbage. :lol: 

Also the article you posted has nothing to do with the event.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/30/597872371/k-pop-stars-red-velvet-set-to-perform-in-pyongyang-this-weekend

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9 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

Pop music isn't "decent." Even North Korean classical is better than pop music garbage. :lol: 

Also the article you posted has nothing to do with the event.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/30/597872371/k-pop-stars-red-velvet-set-to-perform-in-pyongyang-this-weekend

How did that happened?  Corrected the link, happened the 2nd time!

????

:angry:

 

Thanks for informing me. :)

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North Korea says U.S. ruining mood of detente ahead of Trump-Kim summit

"....Pyongyang on Sunday criticized what it called “misleading” claims that Trump’s policy of maximum political pressure and sanctions are what drove the North to the negotiating table.

The North’s official news agency quoted a Foreign Ministry spokesman warning the claims are a “dangerous attempt” to ruin a budding detente on the Korean Peninsula .....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-says-u-s-ruining-mood-detente-ahead-summit-n871696

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NBC NewsVerified account @NBCNews 1h1 hour ago

 
 

Sec. Pompeo after second meeting with Kim Jong Un: "If North Korea takes bold action to quickly denuclearize, the US is prepared to work with the North Koreans to achieve prosperity on par with our South Korean friends."

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ANYTHING SOUND FAMILIAR??....

"In 1994, the United States negotiated a nuclear agreement with North Korea known as the Agreed Framework. 1/

Under the deal, North Korea was to end their nuclear weapons program in exchange for heavy fuel oil, to energy producing nuclear reactors paid for by South Korea, and diplomatic normalization. 2/
 
The total cost was cheap – a few billion dollars, mostly paid for by the South. 3/
In 2002, The Bush Admin was upset the deal appeased North Korea,.........."
....

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3 minutes ago, hamradio said:

 

Question, we know why everyone in the rear is clapping....why is Kim? :huh:

(does he answer to someone?)

They follow his clapping as lead and stop when he does. They then shout "MANSE!!"  in praise of him afterwards. That's how their meetings go.

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Nick Land article on North Korea and its weapons program. This article might be helpful for understanding Iran too.

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/11/20/independence-games/

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INDEPENDENCE GAMES

North Korea’s nuclear test on September 3 was registered as a rare literal geopolitical earthquake. Some public uncertainty persists about the scale and significance of the tremor. It has been reported in a range of magnitudes from 6.1 to 6.3 (or even higher), on the logarithmic Richter Scale. An event of this size suggests an explosion of several hundred kilotons of TNT, and is consistent with the detonation of a thermonuclear device. North Korean confirmation of exactly this occurrence has been received with unprecedented seriousness.

Nuclear non-proliferation is more idea than reality. Its only substance is a comparative sluggishness when estimated against the benchmark of some generally unstated nightmare scenario. According to such counter-factual consideration, nuclear weapons might have been more widespread than they are by now. But exponential processes look like this. They start small, and don’t seem to be going anywhere dramatic for a while. As the celebrated fable of exponentiation shows, a modest bowl of rice gets you quite a long way into the chess board. The supposedly common-sense assumption that uncontrollable nuclear proliferation isn’t yet happening requires an argument. (This short essay makes the other argument.)

The nuclear ‘club’ is too unwieldy to share any kind of seriously constraining principle. There is nothing identifiable that entitles a nation to membership, beyond naked possession of doomsday-tier military capability. The club was trans-ideological from the start, and quite soon afterwards highly multicultural. Among members, reciprocal distrust and even hostility is the norm, which – given the runaway action-reaction process that settled the membership roster – could scarcely be unexpected. The behavior of members is controlled by nothing beyond game theory. It’s also very much worth mentioning that nobody who manages to get into the club can, in any practical way, be thrown out.

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Hold the Nobel Prize: Kim Is Setting a Trap for Trump

It’s far too early to get excited about the possible outbreak of peace on the Korean Peninsula.

".......North Korea has pledged on multiple occasions to not to acquire nuclear weapons, beginning with the North’s accession to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1985. In 1992, Kim’s grandfather committed to three no’s: no nuclear weapons, no nuclear reprocessing and no uranium enrichment. North Korea was caught red-handed cheating multiple times on all three nuclear no’s, but still received security assurances from the United States in 2005, when both sides pledged “to respect each other’s sovereignty, exist peacefully together” and normalize relations. All of these efforts ended in the same place, with a different Kim breaking his promises and enjoying tangible concessions from the United States and its allies.

To counter Kim’s smile diplomacy and avoid his trap, the Trump administration should take four lessons from prior negotiations with North Korea, Libya and Iran.......

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/10/trump-north-korea-kim-jong-un-nobel-prize-218357

=yeah, like HE'S likely to pay attention!

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23 hours ago, hamradio said:

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Question, we know why everyone in the rear is clapping....why is Kim? :huh:

(does he answer to someone?)

Birds of a feather

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