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The New York TimesVerified account @nytimes

 

In new talks with North Korea, the U.S. may settle for a nuclear freeze,

one that tacitly accepts the North as a nuclear power,

something administration officials have often said they would never stand for

 

Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu 18h18 hours ago

 

Dear @realDonaldTrump: This is why Kim Jong-un sends you nice letters and inflates your ego.

Get it yet?

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John BoltonVerified account @AmbJohnBolton

 

I read this NYT story with curiosity. Neither the NSC staff nor I have discussed or heard of any desire to “settle for a nuclear freeze by NK.” This was a reprehensible attempt by someone to box in the President. There should be consequences.

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Hey @AmbJohnBolton, under @realDonaldTrump the US gave up military exercises.

North Korea has NOT: -Eliminated a single nuclear weapon

-Eliminated any missiles

North Korea HAS: -Increased nuclear fuel

-Hidden its missile bases

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48863401

US 'hell-bent' on hostility despite talks, North Korea says

North Korea has accused the US of being "hell-bent on hostile acts", despite a recent agreement between the two countries to resume nuclear talks.

Pyongyang's delegation to the United Nations said on Wednesday that the US was "obsessed with sanctions".

This comes days after the countries' leaders held a historic meeting in the heavily fortified demilitarised zone (DMZ) which divides the two Koreas.

And after talks that lasted for almost an hour, the pair agreed to set up teams to resume stalled negotiations on denuclearisation.

But the latest North Korean statement marks a shift in tone and a return to the angry exchanges that have marred relations between the countries in recent times.

North Korea also accused Washington of attempting to "undermine the peaceful atmosphere" on the Korean peninsula.

What did North Korea say?

The North Korean delegation said it was responding to a US allegation that it had breached a cap on refined petroleum imports that was set in 2017.

It also said it was responding to a joint letter sent by the US, France, Germany and the UK to all UN member states that called on all countries to comply with sanctions on North Korea, including the repatriation of North Korean workers home.

Under UN sanctions imposed in December 2017 after ballistic missiles tests, all North Korean nationals working abroad have to return home by the end of 2019, restricting a vital source of foreign currency.

 

"What can't be overlooked is the fact that this joint letter game was carried out by the permanent mission of the United States to the UN under the instruction of the state department, on the very same day when President Trump proposed [a] summit meeting," the statement read.

"[It] speaks to the reality that the United States is practically more and more hell-bent [on] hostile acts against the DPRK [North Korea]."

"All UN member states will have to keep vigilance against deliberate attempts by the United States to undermine the peaceful atmosphere that has been created on the Korean Peninsula," it said.

Pyongyang added that it was "quite ridiculous" for the US to view sanctions as a "panacea for all problems".

The US has yet to respond to the statement.

North Korea's harsh language is a powerful corrective to the euphoria prompted by President Trump's brief steps across the DMZ.

It's also a reminder, as another phase of diplomatic contacts beckons, that negotiating with Pyongyang is never going to be easy.

On the face of things, neither side has fundamentally shifted its position, though there are reports that inside the Trump team there are discussions about pursuing a more limited initial objective to freeze Pyongyang's nuclear programme rather than to seek full denuclearisation.

But North Korea still wants to get tangible economic gains upfront and is evasive about mothballing its nuclear programme.

And its leader may have been strengthened by his three meetings with Mr Trump, irrespective of the minimal results obtained.

How are US-North Korea relations?

Negotiations with North Korea to try to convince it to abandon its controversial nuclear programme reached a peak last year when Mr Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un held a summit in Singapore.

They both committed to the "complete denuclearisation" of the Korean peninsula, but without clarifying what that meant.

It was hoped their second meeting, in Hanoi in February, would make some concrete agreement about North Korea handing over its nuclear programme in exchange for some of the tight sanctions against it being lifted.

But those talks ended with no deal, as they failed to agree on the pace at which sanctions should be eased. Since then the negotiations have stalled, though Mr Kim and Mr Trump have exchanged letters.

And in May, North Korea carried out new weapons tests widely seen as an attempt to increase pressure on the US.

At Sunday's DMZ meeting their exchanges were largely complimentary.

Mr Trump - who once referred to Mr Kim as "little rocket man" - called their friendship "particularly great" and said it was a "great day for the world".

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JUST IN: North Korea fires two short range ballistic missiles, both landing in the sea, multiple US officials say;
 
3rd missile launch in 2 weeks.

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29 minutes ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
JUST IN: North Korea fires two short range ballistic missiles, both landing in the sea, multiple US officials say;
 
3rd missile launch in 2 weeks.

Trump will say it is nothing even though it defies UN rules.  Hey, he's in love.

But if Iran tries to test fire missiles for its defence it is another matter.

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48 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Trump will say it is nothing even though it defies UN rules.  Hey, he's in love.

But if Iran tries to test fire missiles for its defence it is another matter.

You're always so negative.      These missiles helped light up that wonderful N.K. coastline.    This may lead to those condos Trump mentioned. 

   

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
JUST IN: North Korea fires two short range ballistic missiles, both landing in the sea, multiple US officials say;
 
3rd missile launch in 2 weeks.
 
President Trump says he has "no problem" with North Korea's recent missile launches:
 
"Short-range missiles, we never made an agreement on that." (link: http://nbcnews.to/317vEiZ) nbcnews.to/317vEiZ
 
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47 minutes ago, mr6666 said:
 
President Trump says he has "no problem" with North Korea's recent missile launches:
 
"Short-range missiles, we never made an agreement on that." (link: http://nbcnews.to/317vEiZ) nbcnews.to/317vEiZ
 
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Well Trump is telling the truth for once;    Under Trump,  the USA and N.K.  have made no agreements on anything.

 

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Bolton Contradicts Trump North Korea Nuclear Disarmament Claims, Says Kim Jong Un 'Will Never Give Up'

 

........"The strategic decision Kim Jong Un has made is to do whatever he can to keep nuclear weapons capability and development," Bolton added.

Bolton stressed that the United States must hold to past United Nations resolutions and sanctions against North Korea instead of allowing Trump to make concessions which inform other countries the U.S. "doesn't really care."

"When you ask for consistent behavior from others you have to demonstrate it yourself—and when we fail to do that, we open ourselves and our policy to failure," Bolton added in another veiled shot at the Trump administration.....

https://www.newsweek.com/john-bolton-contradicts-donald-trump-north-korea-nuclear-disarmament-agreement-un-resolutions-speech-1462105?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

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North Korea fires a medium range ballistic missile from an underwater platform and Trump's response .... crickets.

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U.S., North Korea break off nuclear talks: report

". U.S. and North Korean negotiators broke off high-level nuclear talks after months of negotiations between the two countries.

..North Korea's top official present for negotiations with the U.S. told reporters that the U.S. had brought nothing to the table for the latest round of talks.

“The negotiations have not fulfilled our expectation and finally broke off,” Kim Myong Gil said.

"The U.S. raised expectations by offering suggestions like a flexible approach, new method and creative solutions, but they have disappointed us greatly and dampened our enthusiasm for negotiation by bringing nothing to the negotiation table," he added, according to Reuters.......

https://thehill.com/policy/international/464509-us-north-korea-break-off-nuclear-talks-report

 

-maybe figuring T's on the way out......so may as well wait for the next REAL president  ;)

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Trump has called off the scheduled US/ROK military exercises because they many offend North Korea.

This is totally ridiculous, but more importantly I am sure it scares the hell out of Japan and other countries within reach of North Korean missles.  We have promised Japan that we will defend them, but now Trump decides not to?

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North Korea says no more talks with US just so Trump can brag

Pyongyang comments came after US president called on leader Kim Jong Un to 'act quickly' and hinted at another meeting.

 

"We no longer have interest in talks that have no benefit for us," he said.

"We will not give anything for the US president to brag about as we have received nothing in return,

and we want to receive the benefits of the accomplishments that President Trump is crediting himself for," Kim said.......

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/north-korea-talks-trump-brag-191118165648187.html?taid=5dd3180ef2edda0001ea012d&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 

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17 hours ago, Arturo said:

They see right through the Orange Effing Moron!

Played him like a fiddle!

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As Tensions Rise Over Defense Costs,

U.S. Walks Out Of Talks With South Korea

.....U.S. negotiators walked out on talks with South Korea in Seoul on Tuesday, as the two sides staked out vastly differing positions and accused the other side of being unreasonable.

The Trump administration reportedly is demanding that Seoul, a key ally, contribute around $5 billion for the coming year to cover the cost of the roughly 28,500 U.S. troops based in South Korea.

That's more than five times what South Korea agreed to contribute earlier this year, and Seoul is pushing back hard......

At the heart of the issue is the Trump administration's contention that wealthy allies, including South Korea, are "freeloading" off the U.S. and spending too little for their own defense. Trump has suggested that U.S. troops could be withdrawn from the Korean Peninsula.

 

Seoul says the subject of removing forces has not come up in negotiations, and a law passed last year by the U.S. Congress prevents the president from reducing troop strength in South Korea without a determination by the secretary of defense that such a move is in America's national security interest.....

Park argues that both the U.S. and South Korea have benefited from their alliance. But if the U.S. pulled out its troops, it would leave South Korea alone to face its neighbor to the north. For the U.S., this might be acceptable, but "for South Koreans," he says, it "would be a life-or-death situation." ......

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/19/780760208/as-tensions-rise-over-defense-costs-u-s-walks-out-of-talks-with-south-korea?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr

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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea insulted U.S. President Donald Trump again on Monday,
 
calling him a “heedless and erratic old man” after he tweeted
 
that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un wouldn’t want to abandon a special relationship between the two leaders ...
 
:lol:  <_<
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During his teleconference with military members, President Trump tells reporters
 
he’ll handle whatever Christmas gift North Korea has threatened when it comes along.
 
“Maybe it's a nice present. Maybe it's a present where he sends me a beautiful vase instead of a missile test.”
8:39 AM · Dec 24, 2019
 
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Richard Haass was on CNN this morning and said the danger posed by North Korea has grown tremendously since Donald Trump took office.  They have more nuclear missiles, more long range missiles and have not stopped any of their testing.

 

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