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I didn't know there were so many liberals on a MOVIE message board. Makes you think.. 

This is not a "MOVIE message board."  That's why they call it Off Topic.  Most websites such as this also have Off Topic forums to keep politics, religion, etc. off the main boards.

 

Incidentally, welcome to TCM Forums.  Lots of excellent forums other than this one.  This one may drive you crazy; it has me.

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Don't be so quick to categorize and stereotype people just because they don't agree with you.

Good statement.

Actually I consider myself a slightly left of center moderate, with fiscal conservative leanings.  Figure that one out.  Which I guess in S.C. makes me a liberal, but in CA or NY I would be a conservative.

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Good statement.

Actually I consider myself a slightly left of center moderate, with fiscal conservative leanings. Figure that one out. Which I guess in S.C. makes me a liberal, but in CA or NY I would be a conservative.

In Kansas, I have had the audacity to vote for some Republican candidates. Family and friends who are real Demo liberals find me to be truly and inscrutably bizarre.

 

But I call 'em, as I see 'em.

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In Kansas, I have had the audacity to vote for some Republican candidates. Family and friends who are real Demo liberals find me to be truly and inscrutably bizarre.

 

But I call 'em, as I see 'em.

In S.C. in most races, the only candidates are the Republicans in the primaries.

There are a few secretly "moderate" Republicans out there.

Actually, we don't know Alex's persuasion yet.  And I hope he/she stays with the TCM forums.

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I didn't know there were so many liberals on a MOVIE message board. Makes you think.. 

 

At this forum the lean-left do out number the lean-right folks and that does surprise many because of the assumptions people tend to make about studio-era (1929 - 1968) movie fans.

 

They are mostly over 70;   Ok,  some folks are but there are more under 50 fans of TCM then one might assume

 

Since they are fans of films with 'old fashion values' they must be conservative;   Fans of TCM come from all backgrounds and this POV of 'must be conservative' has been shown to be folly.   E.g. many really nice gay people at this forum.   While studio-era films tend to mock gays or cast them as degenerates,  these gay folks see pass that and instead focus on the production values and high art that are studio-era films.  Same with African-Americans,  young people etc.... 

 

Of course if your reply was because you have read a lot of negative stuff about Trump;  Well that is true but that doesn't mean one is a liberal.    Like Cid,  I wouldn't classify myself as a liberal (expect when it comes to social issues and Trump is no conservative in this area either),  but I can see that Trump is completely unqualified to be President, is immature,  childish,  rude and unsavory.  

 

I would hope even folks that support much of his agenda could see that. 

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For the past fifty years, and I think it's more, Hollywood leftists

denigrated our great Judeo-Christian heritage and mores.

They filled the movie screens with perverted images and

inculcated the innocent American moviegoer with their pagan

garbage and red socialism. The scripts might as well have

been written by Joe Stalin and Aleister Crowley, a putrid mix

of comsymp agitprop and black magic. And folks wonder why

so many liberals are on movie message boards. They also

probably wonder why flies are drawn to ****.  Same process.

 

I never vote, but I'm trying to think of a Republican I would

have voted for if I did vote. I'm drawing a blank. :)

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It's heartbreaking that the planet might blow up because of psycho leaders in the U.S. and North Korea.

 

Let's wait and see who fires the first shot. If NK does, they will be fighting future wars the caveman way. I'm hoping the billions we have spent on anti-missile defense / black projects can neutralize any incoming nukes.

 

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For the past fifty years, and I think it's more, Hollywood leftists

denigrated our great Judeo-Christian heritage and mores.

They filled the movie screens with perverted images and

inculcated the innocent American moviegoer with their pagan

garbage and red socialism. The scripts might as well have

been written by Joe Stalin and Aleister Crowley, a putrid mix

of comsymp agitprop and black magic. And folks wonder why

so many liberals are on movie message boards. They also

probably wonder why flies are drawn to ****.  Same process.

 

I never vote, but I'm trying to think of a Republican I would

have voted for if I did vote. I'm drawing a blank. :)

 

A few questions:  Do I detect some bitterness in your post?   Pagan garbage and red socialism? A putrid mix of cornsymp agitprop and black magic? And what has this to do with Trump and North Korea?  And why aren't you voting?  Take two aspirin, have a cocktail and watch a John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movie and I hope you feel better (really).

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Let's wait and see who fires the first shot. If NK does, they will be fighting future wars the caveman way. I'm hoping the billions we have spent on anti-missile defense / black projects can neutralize any incoming nukes.

 

 

 

 

I was in the Persian Gulf during that war.  The Pentagon made a big publicity show in US about how well the Patriot missiles were doing against the SCUD's.  Think they were claiming nearly 100% destruction.  Some SCUD's landed in areas near where I was.  The largest single loss of American lives in one instance was due to a SCUD hitting a barracks.

After the war, Pentagon admitted it was 50% at best.

 

The current anti-missile technology has been tested against missiles the US launched and the anti-missile people knew they were coming.  How will they do against a missile from a foreign country that we do not know is coming?  That is the question.

I learned long ago that what the military and the defense industry "advertises" may not always been accurate.

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A poll on CNN just now showed that 50% of Americans approve of a pre-emptive military strike against North Korea.

Probably the same 50% who (now) think action in Libya, Iraq and Viet Nam was wrong.

The one difference is that North Korea has actually made threats against the US - and has a nutcase in charge who might actually try something.

On the other hand, except for relatively minor events, NK has not attacked SK.

 

The big question is what would China do if US launched a preemptive strike against their ally?  Would Russia see it as an opportunity to expand in Ukraine or other East European areas?  What would our allies do?  

What would Russia and China do when their monitoring sees the US launch missiles or aircraft toward NK?  And they will see it before it reaches NK.

What will SK do since they are the ones who will die if NK responds?

 

Lots of questions and ramifications.

 

Not the least of which is the 15,000 canons and missile launchers NK has aimed at Seoul.  These are mostly in hardened sites which cannot be easily taken out.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4203778/donald-trump-hands-tied-north-korea-15000-missiles/

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It might also mean copies of his WWF appearances.  I mean, come on man.  What the f is a beauty pageant producer doing messing with nuclear diplomacy?  What a joke.  Sad.

well, what is trump supposed to do? praise the ugly little sheet and wish him good luck on obliterating southern california??? :huh:

 

 

why doan YOU talk about the wisdom of obama ignoring this guy for 8 years.  :P

 

lets see you poor accolades on obama for letting this threat build for 8 years. lets hear it! :)

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well, what is trump supposed to do? praise the ugly little sheet and wish him good luck on obliterating southern california??? :huh:

 

 

why doan YOU talk about the wisdom of obama ignoring this guy for 8 years.  :P

 

lets see you poor accolades on obama for letting this threat build for 8 years. lets hear it! :)

 

Obama and those before him were hardly ignoring him.  Trump has praised him in the past which people thought was unwise and sending the wrong signals.  He also hinted at abandoning South Korea and letting them and Japan get their own nuclear weapons.  I do hope for everyone's sake that whatever he does NOW works.  But Trump is just an idiot throwing pasta at a wall and seeing what sticks.

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Phil Mudd just said on CNN that the rule of thumb in a crisis is when things get hotter you get cooler.  Trump is doing the exact opposite which sadly proves he is out of his league.  Go back to beauty pageants dude!

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A few questions:  Do I detect some bitterness in your post?   Pagan garbage and red socialism? A putrid mix of cornsymp agitprop and black magic? And what has this to do with Trump and North Korea?  And why aren't you voting?  Take two aspirin, have a cocktail and watch a John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movie and I hope you feel better (really).

No. It was a indirect and not fully serious reply to the question why there

supposedly are so many liberals on a movie site. I didn't make the connection

clear enough. I don't vote for the simple reason that one votes makes no

difference. My one vote wouldn't change a thing. Plus, I'm not big on standing

in lines. I guess I'm sort of a non-voting yellow dog Democrat. I'll skip the

aspirin and take two cocktails instead. I enjoy some of Wayne's and Eastwood's

movies, however much I disagree with their politics. 

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Trump is president now, so NK is his responsibility. I'm not

greatly worried because whatever KJU is, he's not suicidal, so he

knows a nuclear attack on the U.S. would be the end of Lil Kim.

But no POTUS can say anything like that, so the back and forth

verbal fisticuffs will continue. 

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Tillerson walks back Trump's threat to North Korea.  Basically, Tillerson is saying that what Trump meant is that if NK attacks US, we will respond with fire and fury.

 

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/09/rex-tillerson-just-erased-the-reckless-red-line-trump-drew-on-north-korea/?undefined=&utm_term=.5550089e66ef&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

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How to Take Down Kim Jong Un-

 

" Here’s how we can end the threat once and for all—without firing a shot.

 

"....Kim is right to feel insecure. His life depends on the preservation of a regime, and of a country, that are both artificial constructs. There is no good reason for the existence of a North Korean state that is vastly poorer than its ethnically identical South Korean neighbor, other than to enable his family to rule. To hold on, the Kim regime has thus had to do more than make the North Korean people afraid of its executioners; it has tried to maintain a total information blockade to keep them from knowing just how artificial this situation is..........

 

...Here are some options that could actually be good:

 

Flood the zone with information:...

 

Emphasize human rights and reunification, not regime change:...

 

Continue sanctions, but don’t shut off North Korea: ...

 

Strengthen, don’t undermine, the U.S.-South Korean alliance: ...

 

Communicate to North Korean elites:

 

Talk to China about reunification:...

 

...For decades, we managed the risks of our confrontation with the Soviet Union through deterrence, diplomacy, arms control and occasional military moves—these were the traditional methods of statecraft that occupied Western officials on a daily basis, and rightly so, since they prevented catastrophe.

But these methods did not end the confrontation.

That happened only when the people living behind the Iron Curtain took matters into their own hands. And when we looked back after 1989, we recognized that soft power—the spread of democratic ideas and culture, aided by people-to-people ties and communications technologies, and our principled insistence on respect for human rights—did more than hard power to bring this about....

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/24/how-to-take-down-kim-jong-un-215411

 

-just some ideas to consider

:unsure:

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Phil Mudd just said on CNN that the rule of thumb in a crisis is when things get hotter you get cooler.  Trump is doing the exact opposite which sadly proves he is out of his league.  Go back to beauty pageants dude!

right! obama was so cool he never backed up his red line. :lol:

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How to Take Down Kim Jong Un-

 

" Here’s how we can end the threat once and for all—without firing a shot.

 

"....Kim is right to feel insecure. His life depends on the preservation of a regime, and of a country, that are both artificial constructs. There is no good reason for the existence of a North Korean state that is vastly poorer than its ethnically identical South Korean neighbor, other than to enable his family to rule. To hold on, the Kim regime has thus had to do more than make the North Korean people afraid of its executioners; it has tried to maintain a total information blockade to keep them from knowing just how artificial this situation is..........

 

...Here are some options that could actually be good:

 

Flood the zone with information:...

 

Emphasize human rights and reunification, not regime change:...

 

Continue sanctions, but don’t shut off North Korea: ...

 

Strengthen, don’t undermine, the U.S.-South Korean alliance: ...

 

Communicate to North Korean elites:

 

Talk to China about reunification:...

 

...For decades, we managed the risks of our confrontation with the Soviet Union through deterrence, diplomacy, arms control and occasional military moves—these were the traditional methods of statecraft that occupied Western officials on a daily basis, and rightly so, since they prevented catastrophe.

But these methods did not end the confrontation.

That happened only when the people living behind the Iron Curtain took matters into their own hands. And when we looked back after 1989, we recognized that soft power—the spread of democratic ideas and culture, aided by people-to-people ties and communications technologies, and our principled insistence on respect for human rights—did more than hard power to bring this about....

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/24/how-to-take-down-kim-jong-un-215411

 

-just some ideas to consider

:unsure:

total weak BS! doing nothing will only guarantee NK a nuclear arsenal. those BS options can be summed up in a few words, wait and do nothing.

 

that's why we're in this spot because of that do-nothing schtootz obama...

 

 

"we got orders to hold, not attack." -harry guardino

 

 

"we wait we're gonna get ploughed under." -steve mcqueen

 

:)

 

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North Korea just called Trump’s bluff. So what happens now?

 

"The U.S. is now in a difficult situation of Trump’s making. It will be highly costly, and possibly greatly damaging to the United States to deliver on Trump’s threat, even in its minimal form. There is furthermore a significant risk that a spiral of threat and counterthreat might lead to actual nuclear war, which would have devastating consequences.

 

Yet if Trump, as is more likely, fails to deliver on the threat, then Trump’s credibility, such as it is, will be badly damaged, as might the credibility of the United States in future standoffs. In particular, it will be even harder to influence North Korea’s behavior."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/08/donald-trump-is-playing-a-dangerous-game-with-north-korea/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_mc-bluff-1120a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.982d920edd06

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