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September Schedule is Up-- Jennifer Jones SOTM


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also also:

 

the lead character's name is BOGART PETER STUYVESANT, but it sounds like the narrator is saying "NOSE GOBLIN**"

 

 

**Otto censors the word "B00ger."

 

 

LOL! Wasnt he the hubby of Sybil Burton???

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but seriously: did you not read my 8-LYLAH rating of ANGEL, ANGEL DOWN WE GO on the LYLAH CLARE scale?

 

It's been maybe 10 years, but I remember it still...It'll **** you up.

 

Roddy MacDowell is in it too...I think he was contractually bound to appear in every INSANE/counterculture flick made in the mid-late sixties...

 

(guess he was just real busy the week that LYLAH got made...)

 

 

Sorry, I must've forgotten it! LOL. Poor Roddy. He was in so many BAD films in his later years. He must've been filming one when they made Lylah and had to pass.

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Since Jennifer's month is just about over, and next Tuesday is mostly unwatchable for me, I thought I'd drop in these Jennifer might have beens:

 

Selznick began a remake of Little Women starring her, but it fell apart. I have a feeling that was a good thing, but couldn't be worse than the June Allyson one.

 

FOX called for The Snake Pit, but Jen did Portrait of Jennie instead

 

She was considered for Three Faces of Eve... am I sensing a trend?

 

She bought the rights to Terms of Endearment, but ultimately was too old for the part....

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Yes, I've read that story about Garbo and garlic. I dont know why Jennifer and Holden didnt get along during filming. It sure doesnt show on the screen! Did Ben say her performance was panned? I've never read that. Someone must've liked it, as she was nominated for her 5th Oscar.

 

Maybe I mis-posted about the 'panned' part.  I think Ben said after the picture that the box office returns were disappointing to 20th Century Fox, and he mentioned that some critics had a hard time buying Jones as a Eurasian woman.  I thought her performance was believable, and she did look the part too.  Her character explained that her father was Chinese and her mother was English.  Ben also mentioned the garlic part between Jones and Holden at this time too, and that Holden had a reputation with being a womanizer, especially with his attractive female co-stars.  So, I don't know how true that is, but, nothing much surprises me anymore.

 

If he did make unwanted advances toward her, I doubt she was the kind to blab about it, since, as you mentioned, she rarely gave interviews.  However, knowing that it was Hollywood, it was the 50's, it was still a testosterone-driven world; I could see (or hear) crew members whispering, "10 bucks says he slips her the tongue in this scene"!  After that....who knows?

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As I recall: it is loooong and rates at least eights LYLAHS on a scale of 1 to 10 in LYLAH CLARE levels of pure cinematic MADNESS.

 

LHF, this literally made me laugh out loud.

Fortunately I wasn't drinking anything when I read it.

The LYLAH scale needs to become a standard movie rating system.

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THAT WAS the first movie i ever watched on youtube!

 

(it was a while ago, and i was led to by a particularly eyebrow raising review in THE PSYCHOTRONIC VIDEO GUIDE.)

 

IT IS BONKERS!!!!!!!!!!

 

I just watched this on YouTube.  What's bonkers to some can be TOTALLY AWESOME to others!  Actually, I wondered why Jones made this​ particular movie.  Did she read the script beforehand?  Was there something about it that appealed to her?  Did she need the money?  Was she doing it as a favor to someone?

 

First 15-20 minutes, I thought it was the crazy intersection of "Butterfield 8" meets "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf" meets "Wild in the Streets".  In a couple of scenes early on, I thought Jennifer Jones bore a resemblance to Elizabeth Taylor.  I had time to reflect on what I watched while in the shower (and no, it ​wasn't​ to wash the stench off my body for having endured the experience!).

 

It was an off-the-wall allegory about being tied to one's possessions and clinging to ideas of the past.  Two messed up and self-absorbed adults raise an insecure, unloved only child.  What could possibly go wrong?  Jones' character was particularly vain and loved that glittery necklace so much that she'd say anything, do anything, believe anything...just to get it back.  Her betrayal of her daughter's new-found friends and their ideas on the state of the world is what ultimately cost her life.  You could sympathize with her a bit.  She grew up with nothing, married well and didn't lack for anything, but in the end died having lived a relatively purpose-less life.  In a twisted way, the movie had a "Godspell"-like message.  It may not be easy to rid ourselves of our possessions and attitudes we have accumulated in our lifetimes, but adopting a non-conformist lifestyle, while weird to most people, isn't so bad as long as you're a live-and-let-live kind of person.

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I just watched this on YouTube. What's bonkers to some can be TOTALLY AWESOME to others! Actually, I wondered why Jones made this​ particular movie. Did she read the script beforehand? Was there something about it that appealed to her? Did she need the money? Was she doing it as a favor to someone?

 

First 15-20 minutes, I thought it was the crazy intersection of "Butterfield 8" meets "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf" meets "Wild in the Streets". In a couple of scenes early on, I thought Jennifer Jones bore a resemblance to Elizabeth Taylor. I had time to reflect on what I watched while in the shower (and no, it ​wasn't​ to wash the stench off my body for having endured the experience!).

 

It was an off-the-wall allegory about being tied to one's possessions and clinging to ideas of the past. Two messed up and self-absorbed adults raise an insecure, unloved only child. What could possibly go wrong? Jones' character was particularly vain and loved that glittery necklace so much that she'd say anything, do anything, believe anything...just to get it back. Her betrayal of her daughter's new-found friends and their ideas on the state of the world is what ultimately cost her life. You could sympathize with her a bit. She grew up with nothing, married well and didn't lack for anything, but in the end died having lived a relatively purpose-less life. In a twisted way, the movie had a "Godspell"-like message. It may not be easy to rid ourselves of our possessions and attitudes we have accumulated in our lifetimes, but adopting a non-conformist lifestyle, while weird to most people, isn't so bad as long as you're a live-and-let-live kind of person.

 

 

The guy who directed it also directed WILD IN THE STREETS, I think this was his follow up...(btw WILD IN THE STREETS Is currently available on my TCM on demand at least)

 

I kinda doubt JJ needed money....but then again you never know. (HOLLYWOOD types lived LARGE)

 

I have a sneaking suspicion the reason she did ANGEL ANGEL us because they lied and told her that they were going to ask Elizabeth Taylor, but were coming to her first.

 

(Liz made BOOM! around the same time instead, so it was a fair trade.)

 

Maybe I should give it another shot...I shudder to think of how long it's been since I first saw it online, maybe 10 years? I've seen so many films online since!

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midwestan: Thanks for your great comments on Angel..I don't think that Jennifer needed the work, but that she wanted something to DO!

 

She wasn't bad, but maybe in a different movie in her mind...

 

She would have been swell in a vehicle like Falcon Crest. ..

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midwestan: Thanks for your great comments on Angel..I don't think that Jennifer needed the work, but that she wanted something to DO!

 

She wasn't bad, but maybe in a different movie in her mind...

 

She would have been swell in a vehicle like Falcon Crest. ..

 

You're right Roy.  Jones would have been good on Falcon Crest, even in a periodic guest-star role.  I seem to recall she had been offered guest spots on 'Hotel' and 'Love Boat' and other weekly TV series, but she never did do them for various reasons.

 

After her final film performance (1974's 'The Towering Inferno'), she sort of became a spokesperson and patron of mental health and breast cancer research causes.  Jones was said to have attempted suicide in 1967.  Her daughter (with David Selznick) did commit suicide in 1976.  Jones was also a breast cancer survivor, herself. 

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Since Jennifer's month is just about over, and next Tuesday is mostly unwatchable for me, I thought I'd drop in these Jennifer might have beens:

 

Selznick began a remake of Little Women starring her, but it fell apart. I have a feeling that was a good thing, but couldn't be worse than the June Allyson one.

 

FOX called for The Snake Pit, but Jen did Portrait of Jennie instead

 

She was considered for Three Faces of Eve... am I sensing a trend?

 

She bought the rights to Terms of Endearment, but ultimately was too old for the part....

 

 

Yes,  I'd forgotten about Terms of Endearment. She bought the rights as a vehicle for her, but couldnt find anyone to produce it with her in the lead, so she wound up selling it to Jim Brooks. Would have been a great comeback for her. Sad. I remember now Brooks thanking her in his Oscar acceptance speech. (I'm sure most people didnt know why)

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Maybe I mis-posted about the 'panned' part.  I think Ben said after the picture that the box office returns were disappointing to 20th Century Fox, and he mentioned that some critics had a hard time buying Jones as a Eurasian woman.  I thought her performance was believable, and she did look the part too.  Her character explained that her father was Chinese and her mother was English.  Ben also mentioned the garlic part between Jones and Holden at this time too, and that Holden had a reputation with being a womanizer, especially with his attractive female co-stars.  So, I don't know how true that is, but, nothing much surprises me anymore.

 

If he did make unwanted advances toward her, I doubt she was the kind to blab about it, since, as you mentioned, she rarely gave interviews.  However, knowing that it was Hollywood, it was the 50's, it was still a testosterone-driven world; I could see (or hear) crew members whispering, "10 bucks says he slips her the tongue in this scene"!  After that....who knows?

 

 

Well, whatever happened, they did not get along. I've read that in several books (aside from Ben's comments). I cant imagine box office was disappointing. It was up for many Oscars, the song was a huge hit and I've read it was Jennifer's last really big hit in the 50s.....

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LHF, this literally made me laugh out loud.

Fortunately I wasn't drinking anything when I read it.

The LYLAH scale needs to become a standard movie rating system.

 

 

LOL. Kudos to Lorna once again.......

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The guy who directed it also directed WILD IN THE STREETS, I think this was his follow up...(btw WILD IN THE STREETS Is currently available on my TCM on demand at least)

 

I kinda doubt JJ needed money....but then again you never know. (HOLLYWOOD types lived LARGE)

 

I have a sneaking suspicion the reason she did ANGEL ANGEL us because they lied and told her that they were going to ask Elizabeth Taylor, but were coming to her first.

 

(Liz made BOOM! around the same time instead, so it was a fair trade.)

 

Maybe I should give it another shot...I shudder to think of how long it's been since I first saw it online, maybe 10 years? I've seen so many films online since!

 

 

I'm sure it wasnt money. Selznick's insurance payout alone was over a million dollars when he died. I think, like most aging female stars of the time, she was trying to be "with it"  (many did try) She does look great in the trailer........Look at Bette Davis in Bunny O'Hare.......

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midwestan: Thanks for your great comments on Angel..I don't think that Jennifer needed the work, but that she wanted something to DO!

 

She wasn't bad, but maybe in a different movie in her mind...

 

She would have been swell in a vehicle like Falcon Crest. ..

 

 

Yes. Agree.

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Porn and Jennifer intersect in "Angel, Angel, Down We Go".

 

Poor Jen must have been misinformed about that project...may she thought it was to be one of those night time soaps soon to be all the rage.

 

Why did she name her daughter Tara? Jennifer actually says "I liked Gone With the Wind" Pop pills, down with booze.

 

 

Oh, you were referring to her daughter in the film. I was confused!

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In re: LOOOOOOOOOOOVE IS A MANY SPLEEEEEEENDOOOOOOOOOORED THIIIIIIIIIING

 

Just last week I finally had to throw out my copy of INSIDE OSCAR, because it had just gotten TOO TOO tattered for words, but I recall thAT Edith head was seriously PO'd that she lost the Oscar for color costume design to Charles Lemaire for this film, claiming he could've just gone to Chinatown and bought the Cheong Sam dresses he did for Jennifer Jones.

 

(They're about the only thing I like about the movie. )

 

according to Wikipedia the film made foUR million dollars, which still didn't place it in the top 15 grossers of the year, but it would've come close. It's thusly a pretty big deal that It got a nomination for best picture, (over BAD DAY AT BLACK ROCK, REBEL and NIGHT OF THE HUNTER!!!!!!) and thAT Jennifer got her final nomination for best actress and the only one that didn't come consecutively.

 

I'm glad TCM was able to acquire it, and they've showed it plenty since....now I kind a wish they'd retire it.

 

It's a lovely movie, but a stupid movie and- God forgive me for getting all left of center on ya'll here – but in this day and age I just really don't want to see white actors playing other races, even if it's well-intentioned.

 

My patience ran dry with that crap last year.

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YES, Edith was. And I have to agree with her. I think she deserved it more for To Catch a Thief. Jennifer's wardrobe was basically the same dress worn in different colors in most of her scenes. Think her first date dress may have been different........

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YES, Edith was. And I have to agree with her. I think she deserved it more for To Catch a Thief. Jennifer's wardrobe was basically the same dress worn in different colors in most of her scenes. Think her first date dress may have been different........

 

agreed.

EXCEPT

Karma for taking credit for Givenchy's work in SABRINA.

 

IT'S WORTH NOTING ALSO that Edith Head was nominated for at least one costume oscar from the time of the category's inception in 1948 until that year, and if I am not mistaken, the next year was the FIRST TIME she was not nominated. a long dry spell followed until she got a nod once more.

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agreed.

EXCEPT

Karma for taking credit for Givenchy's work in SABRINA.

 

IT'S WORTH NOTING ALSO that Edith Head was nominated for at least one costume oscar from the time of the category's inception in 1948 until that year, and if I am not mistaken, the next year was the FIRST TIME she was not nominated. a long dry spell followed until she got a nod once more.

 

 

Yes, TRUE! LOL. So payback. I dont think Givenchy was EVER nominated for any of the films he worked on (no doubt because he didnt work in Hollywood). No Tiffany's No Funny Face. Hard to believe.

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