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hamradio Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 hours ago, Gershwin fan said: "Communism For Kids", oh joy. Link to post Share on other sites
Vautrin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 A lot of right wingers like school uniforms. Link to post Share on other sites
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hamradio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, JakeHolman said: Now they know how a North Korean feels. Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 11:23 PM, hamradio said: Now they know how a North Korean feels. Now they know how American Puerto Ricans have been living. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Princess of Tap said: Now they know how American Puerto Ricans have been living. Puerto Ricans have a low standard of living because of the choices THEY made. For decades they have elected corrupt government officials. They defaulted on loan after loan and this dried up investment dollars for resorts, hotels and other places that would have brought in travel revenue. Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 11:23 PM, hamradio said: Now they know how a North Korean feels. 19 hours ago, Princess of Tap said: Now they know how American Puerto Ricans have been living. Today Lester Holt on NBC News reported that 100,000 American Puerto Ricans still do not have power. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Princess of Tap said: Today Lester Holt on NBC News reported that 100,000 American Puerto Ricans still do not have power. Mainly due to the fact that the PR Governor made a deal with a so called energy company that had only a few employees and clearly were not quailed for the job. It is highly likely the Governor and \ or his staff got a kickback (otherwise they are just grossly incompetent). In addition it has been know for at least a decade that their power grid was not being maintained (again, due to graft and other corruption). The US Congress should only provide funds to PR if all the main leaders are removed and replaced by appointees of Congress. Link to post Share on other sites
mr6666 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 FYI ............. Puerto Ricans are designing a recovery that heals and defends their island. Politicians and Bitcoin billionaires have other ideas. ".....six months after Maria revealed so much that didn’t work and a few important things that did, Puerto Rico finds itself locked in a battle of utopias. The Puertopians dream of a radical withdrawal from society into their privatized enclaves. The groups that gathered in Mariana dream of a society with far deeper commitments and engagement — with each other, within communities, and with the natural systems whose health is a prerequisite for any kind of safe future. In a very real sense, it’s a battle between sovereignty for the many versus secession for the few. For now, these diametrically opposed versions of utopia are advancing in their own parallel worlds, at their own speeds — one on the back of shocks, the other in spite of them. But both are gaining power fast, and in the high-stakes months and years to come, collision is inevitable." https://theintercept.com/2018/03/20/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-recovery/ -long, but quite informative Link to post Share on other sites
Bogie56 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On March 1, 2018 at 2:57 PM, calvinnme said: Denmark has socialism and yet the Danes are among the happiest people on earth. Don't you think where Venezuela failed was having cronyism at high levels for so long? Most of Europe follows a democratic socialist model and looks nothing like Venezuela. Now I admit, things might change if the United States hadn't been protecting Europe with our military might since the end of WWII, because then they would have to find the money for defense. Yes, and it doesn't help Venezuela to have the United States covertly undermine it in retaliation for its nationalization of companies. America has a long history of supporting dictators because they allow their corporations to plunder their resources. But the moment they think about being socialist and protecting their own resources ... wack. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Vautrin Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Another factor in the economic troubles of PR is that Congress gave U.S. companies a tax exemption. This exemption ended in 2006 and many U.S. companies left PR, which put a dent in the economy. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Vautrin said: Another factor in the economic troubles of PR is that Congress gave U.S. companies a tax exemption. This exemption ended in 2006 and many U.S. companies left PR, which put a dent in the economy. Very true. Congress did other things to assist PR but due to corruption, graft, and incompetent the leaders of PR screwed the pooch. All one has to do is read up on how PR mishandled the funds given over decades to improve their power grid to know it wasn't that the mainland wasn't trying to help. Link to post Share on other sites
hamradio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Puerto Rico warned power grid 'literally falling apart' before Maria hit http://abcnews.go.com/US/puerto-rico-warned-power-grid-literally-falling-maria/story?id=50560446 Excerpt... Just 10 months before Maria struck, a scathing report commissioned by the Puerto Rican Electrical Power Authority (PREPA) warned that the energy infrastructure was facing a "crisis." The 218-page study, released by Synapse Energy Associates in November 2016, argued that Puerto Rico's power grid is "literally falling apart," and noted that Perto Ricans suffer service outages at rates four to five times higher average U.S. utilities customers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Vautrin Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said: Very true. Congress did other things to assist PR but due to corruption, graft, and incompetent the leaders of PR screwed the pooch. All one has to do is read up on how PR mishandled the funds given over decades to improve their power grid to know it wasn't that the mainland wasn't trying to help. There is a lot of blame to go around. PR also went overboard selling bonds that it would be hard to pay back. But if Hurricane Maria had happened in a state, things likely would have gone better, even taking into account the fact that PR is an island 1,000 miles away. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Princess of Tap Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vautrin said: There is a lot of blame to go around. PR also went overboard selling bonds that it would be hard to pay back. But if Hurricane Maria had happened in a state, things likely would have gone better, even taking into account the fact that PR is an island 1,000 miles away. I just heard on the BBC last night that the suicide rate in Puerto Rico has skyrocketed. So if things are as bad as they seem, I imagine a number of these American citizens will just leave to relocate in Florida, New York or some other close state on the East Coast where they may have friends and family. And I think we often forget that Spanish speaking Puerto Ricans are American citizens and when they leave Puerto Rico they are free to vote for the president of the United States and To buy Bounty Paper Towels-- the quicker picker-upper. LOL Link to post Share on other sites
Vautrin Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I wouldn't be surprised. Last night on ABC News a reporter returned to the apartment building she had visited shortly after Maria and the electricity and water are back on, so things are slowly getting better. Everything free in America for a small fee in America. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjazzguitar Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Vautrin said: There is a lot of blame to go around. PR also went overboard selling bonds that it would be hard to pay back. But if Hurricane Maria had happened in a state, things likely would have gone better, even taking into account the fact that PR is an island 1,000 miles away. I agree that if PR was a state things would have gone better but a lot of that would be because they would have started out better in the first place. E.g. states did offer to send to PR technical staff to help them after the Hurricane. PR's government turned this offer down and instead hired a company with a staff of 3. Link to post Share on other sites
Vautrin Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 A lot of it also was because they aren't on the mainland U.S. and can't vote in U.S. elections, so the political impact was less serious. Link to post Share on other sites
hamradio Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Vautrin said: A lot of it also was because they aren't on the mainland U.S. and can't vote in U.S. elections, so the political impact was less serious. Puerto Rico has voted in the past they do not want to be our 51st state but in 2017 had a change of mind because of their debt! http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/12/news/economy/puerto-rico-june-11-statehood-vote/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/03/news/economy/puerto-rico-wants-to-file-for-bankruptcy/?iid=EL And why Congress is in no big RUSH?? Well DUH! Link to post Share on other sites
Vautrin Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, hamradio said: Puerto Rico has voted in the past they do not want to be our 51st state but in 2017 had a change of mind because of their debt! http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/12/news/economy/puerto-rico-june-11-statehood-vote/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/03/news/economy/puerto-rico-wants-to-file-for-bankruptcy/?iid=EL And why Congress is in no big RUSH?? Well DUH! As the first article points out, turnout was only 23%, so that doesn't exactly make it a ringing endorsement of statehood. Since PR's status is a result of U.S. imperialism I would cut them free after a number of years and after their debt is cleaned up. Link to post Share on other sites
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