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Alfred Hitchcock's VERTIGO


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What does it mean when Madeleine and John share this exchange before they go "wandering about"?

 

Madeleine: "Two together are always going somewhere."

 

John: "No.....no, not necessarily."

 

What were they trying to say? It appears to have a double meaning and I can only vaguely guess what it implies. Experts please address answers to Post Box "Coit Tower". ;)

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I'm not sure what the meaning behind the "two wanderers" is. My take is that

"Scottie" has fallen under the spell of "Madeleine" and that he's now in too

deep. He's been had, but he's blind to it. Instead of tailing Madeleine, keeping

his distance, he's now in the car with her and he's going to be led by her

"somewhere." Madeleine knows they are "going somewhere." I also believe

the "two" is important because Vertigo is a film about duplicity.

 

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I like this cap because I think Madeleine's words speak of Scottie. "He's left his

door open." He's left his guard down.

 

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Hi Joe/Frank: Thanks for your answers, I think it seems clearer now, or rather, deeper. I didn't think about the bit with the open (unguarded) door, that's a good catch. I suppose I could go on forever with the script and dialogue this way.

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Frank, watching it the other day, I think I'm s..l..o..w..l..y coming around to the fact that VERTIGO might indeed be a masterpiece. It's still crystalizing in my mind but it should come together soon for me. It's a very formal work, every frame is composed almost like a Japanese work of art, there's a lot of structure and harmony in the compositions. The subject matter is ostensibly about power and obsession, but also about identity. I'll have to get back to you with these thoughts.

 

I love Stewart's apartment. I don't like Midge's -- hers is a hodge-podge, while Scottie's is modern and neat as a pin.

 

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Love That Bronxgirl! -- Frank, watching it the other day, I think I'm

s..l..o..w..l..y coming around to the fact that VERTIGO might indeed be a

masterpiece.

 

S..l..o..w..l..y? Pick up the pace, Bronxy.

 

I'm someone who does think Vertigo is a masterpiece, mainly because

there's just as much unsaid that's said and the unsaid is told to us through means

like color.

 

It's still crystalizing in my mind but it should come together soon for me. It's a

very formal work, every frame is composed almost like a Japanese work of art,

there's a lot of structure and harmony in the compositions. The subject matter

is ostensibly about power and obsession, but also about identity. I'll have to get

back to you with these thoughts.

 

A Japanese work of art? Quite interesting. I believe you are very correct about

Vertigo's subject matter. I also believe the film has to do with man's desire

of women, particularly sexual.

 

I love Stewart's apartment. I don't like Midge's -- hers is a hodge-podge, while

Scottie's is modern and neat as a pin.

 

What a day this has been already. Miss Goddess wrote about the make-up of

Hitch's ladies on one thread and now here you are dishin' on interior decorating.

What a tag-team you two would make. The thought of Miss G's mom and yours

adding to the conversation is giving me vertigo.

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It's ironic to me that the direction is so stylized and formal, the emotions are anything BUT structured; it's all about falling and letting go and the fear of letting go and imbalance and power shifts in relationships....a wealth of material to plumb for the film buff.

 

I also want Laura's apartment. And I'll take a fawning maid, like Bessie.

 

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It's ironic to me that the direction is so stylized and formal, the emotions

are anything BUT structured; it's all about falling and letting go and the fear

of letting go and imbalance and power shifts in relationships....a wealth of

material to plumb for the film buff.

 

That's brilliant, Bronxie. You really did nail it on the head. Love is often about

letting go and the fear that sometimes comes with that. How much can a person

surrender to the one they love? Is the surrender mutual? Love surely can push

one to the brink of obsession.

 

I also want Laura's apartment. And I'll take a fawning maid, like Bessie.

 

It's official; you and the Goddess would make a great team. How big will

your self-portrait be? I'll stop by and worship it just like all the men in Laura's life.

I'm actually pretty good at worshipping women, so you're in luck.

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Hi, ButterscotchGreer! -- You are absolutely lost, are you not? You're not

supposed to be on a Hitch thread.

 

i saw this when it was on! this is one of my favs of hitchcock's films.

 

You must have had some of the Goddess' tea because you seem to be a little

loopy.

 

althought it isnt my fav kind of genre as you well know.

 

This sounds more like you. It looks like you are sobering up.

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oh you think im a little on the tipsey side frankie or is it just me?

 

You must be because this is a Hitchcock thread.

 

no im just happy thats all.

 

So you're a happy drinker. :P I'm glad you're happy, T.

 

i mean it, i like Vertigo, just not as much as Random Harvest. heehee! im too sappy for that kind of stuff.

 

At least your sappiness is legit. No crocodile tears from you.

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"Vertigo" is one of those cinema masterpieces that in every viewing reveals something new.

 

Hi Joe! It certainly is. I have been watching VERTIGO since before I can remember and only recently have I begun to look at the symbolisms and double meanings. I always just enjoyed it as a masterpiece of "tragic romance". It's really cool when a movie can satisfy an audience (like me) on superficial level so much, and also give people who like to dig adeeper much to chew on.

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Frank - Hey now! What are you doing with my picture of my sailor? We go waaaay back. Miss Bronxie will have to get her own seaman ("sailor's" a landlubber's word). I can introduce her to Captain Blood, if she's interested.

 

Bronxie - Jacoby does wonderful full scale wall murals. That's how I have my portrait. No mingy little cameo for moi. He's a very multi-talented guy, is Jacoby. You'd never know he can paint, too.

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