ROBERT RYAN - The Real Quiet Man

[MissGoddess]

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> Hey! That's a great line! It deserves a play to be written around it.

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All of TCM is a stage....

 

> I wish there were more Ruth Hussey movies. I think I've only seen three.

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I really like her, too. She can be very witty and funny or quietly serious. I like

her witty best but she's always interesting.

 

 

> The one thing I LOVED about Ryan (except that his head was behind Ginger at the time he was saying it) was that line -

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> "The way I love you, it's like a fever all over me.... " W-w-w-wow.

 

I wouldn't mind hearing him say that to me, either.

 

In Ginger's case, I hope he gets penicillin fast.

[JackFavell]

God, Ruth Hussey is good! She just gave a speech about how she'd been knocked around, and she swore she would never let a man get control of her....but if she ever saw her man again, she'd be sweet.... she almost made me cry...

 

I have to go look up other films by her.

 

I'm sure that if Ryan took one look at you, he''d drop Ginger like a hot potato....

[MissGoddess]

I forgot about that scene. She can do that emotional "switch" so well.

 

She's in one of the Thin Man movies in a rather unusual role. It may be

one of her first screen appearances. She's also quite good in Joan Crawford's

movie, Susan and God, but my favorite is The Philadelphia Story.

 

And thank you for the compliment---I only wish that were true!

[HollywoodGolightly]

The Thin Man movie Ruth was in was Another Thin Man.

 

Well, I enjoyed Tender Comrade, hope everyone else did, too!

[JackFavell]

Oh, you know he would be smitten with you....

 

I have missed Susan and God about a hundred times.... I really want to see it. And I'm trying to remember her in the Thin Man series... I thought I had seen them all.. but maybe I missed one.

 

Liz Imbrie is just about my favorite character in *The Philadelphia Story*. She is a knockout, but she has that way with a witty line. And I love her backstory: "Joe Smith, Hardware." I have always said that I would like to look and act like Ingrid Bergman if I had the choice, but I think Ruth Hussey is second on the list. She gives us brunettes a good name.

[CineMaven]

I definitely prefer the weary, post-1950 Frank Sinatra movie roles to his earlier, skinny "innocents". - MissGoddess.

 

Cute. Yes, I would agree with all your choices. Very few of those glorious pre-code gals survived the fifties/sixties very well. As usual, men do better.

 

I see you are getting buried within minutes... again, Miss G. Classy. I know what is up, you know what is up, those with a brain know what is up. It's a damn shame those who

are stealing money don't know a damn thing. Imcompetence. - FrankGrimes.

 

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No no no MissG. You?ve got it all wrong. We?re not the petty ones. We?re the powerful ones. We can make people post when they don?t really have anything to say about anything. (We kind of have powers like Superman). Watch. I can post a comment on another thread and be followed by some inane comment. Now I do have the feature on so I can?t see the comments...but I can make ?em appear. I?ll PM you and tell you where to watch next. See if I?m right.

 

Oh, back on topic here...did Robert Ryan seem almost-boyish in this role? Sweet? Soft? No indication of the hardness and toughie he was to become? If you were a casting director and saw him in ?TENDER COMRADE? would you peg him for the role of a racist, murdering, anti-Semetic bully in ?CROSSFIRE???

 

We've truly done NOTHING whatever to deserve how we're being treated on this board (except to contribute some of the best and most deeply interesting classic film discussion on it.) - MissGoddess.

 

Aaah pathological jealousy. Tsk! Tsk! A wonderful thing. Back to Robert Ryan...

 

My two cents is that Ryan and Ruth Hussey should have made some time on the side. I love her. - JackFavell

 

I?m a fan of hers as well. Do you remember her in ?THE UNINVITED? as Ray Milland?s sister? Or that very small part in ?THE WOMEN? when she gets Norma Shearer to sign over some papers for Stephen. Ruth Hussey makes me think of Rosalind Russell. Too bad she was never really and truly showcased. You know what I think...I think there was such an over-abundant amount of talented performers back then that they couldn?t showcase everyone.

 

I like Joan Crawford best in the 30's, then the forties, but by the fifties she bothers me. I am not crazy about Olivia De Havilland in the fifties either, but it's not as strong a feeling. - JackFavell.

 

Again I agree (though Crawford in the 50?s is a hoot and you must admit, the girl was just trying to earn a livin?). No, the 50?s were a tough time for all our gals from the 30?s. Funny, Crawford adapted and carved out a career in the 50?s and 60?s like those stone masons who carved Mount Rushmore. Ha!

 

What I am finding interesting about this movie is the socialist slant to the whole thing. -JackFavell.

 

Well you?ve hit the nail on the head here Jackaaaaay. The socialist angle in ?Tender Comrade? is what got a couple of people in hot water (though I don't see anything wrong with share and share alike when you all live together). I loved Ruth Hussey?s speech and Ginger?s (?...saved by the bell?) as well. She doesn?t bother me, but I do see there seems to be a consensus building up that Ginger Rogers was annoying. By the by...what three Ruth Hussey movies HAVE you seen?

[HollywoodGolightly]

*Oh, back on topic here...did Robert Ryan seem almost-boyish in this role? Sweet? Soft? No indication of the hardness and toughie he was to become? If you were a casting director and saw him in ?TENDER COMRADE? would you peg him for the role of a racist, murdering, anti-Semetic bully in ?CROSSFIRE???*

 

This is one of the things I admire most about Robert - his ability to be incredibly sweet and "almost boyish", as you put it, and his tough, macho side. He really had a much greater range than most people would probably give him credit for, if they were more familiar with his entire filmography.

[JackFavell]

I like the share and share alike theme of the movie. Especially when the characters are all women - it's like a little time capsule - women getting jobs for the first time, banding together under socialist ideals..helping each other out....it's lovely.

 

Oh wait..... no.... I mean, how AWFUL, those girls pooling their resources like that! This kind of behavior is the reason our country went downhill so fast after the war....... we really blew it. Just think what a great place this might have been(for the rich) if FDR hadn't put all those socialist programs into effect.....Socialism is EVIL....

 

The fact that the HUAC chose to ignore Ginger Rodgers rah rah speech in the film tells me it was indeed a witch hunt.

 

I always like to see Patricia Collinge in movies... she has such an odd presence and that giggly voice... really like her.

 

Ruth Hussey - well I've seen *The Philadelphia Story* (I always find it amazing that this was Shirley Booth's role on Broadway), *The Uninvited* (I don't remember much of it), and this one, now. Oh, and *The Women*, but does that count? But she still made a big impression on me. One movie I have seen, but don't remember her in is *Northwest Passage*, with Spencer Tracy. I imagine she was good match for him.

 

The studio hired her to put the strong arm on Myrna Loy and Norma Shearer.... when they started getting too big for their britches, the studio would trot out Ruth Hussey as the next big thing. She really wasn't very ambitious, and was a pretty easygoing gal from what I have read. I forgot to mention one of the things I really love about her is her warm low voice. She is my Margaret Lindsay, if you know what I mean.

 

I am trying to find a place where I can post some pictures of her... there was a blonde and a redhead thread waaaaay back, but I don't remember a brunette one. Oh, it doesn't matter anyway because we can't revive old threads. Maybe I should start an underrated brunettes thread?

 

Oh, Robert Ryan? I thought he was exactly those things you mentioned... soft, childlike... a leading man, kind of hokey....he hit all the right notes, playing the childhood sweetheart. It just wasn't his picture. The world wasn't ready for him yet.... the roles just didn't exist at this time, or they were just starting... let's see. This was 1943? *The Maltese Falcon* had just been released, *Laura* hadn't come out yet (can you imagine a world without *Laura* ?) They must not have known what to do with Ryan. As I recall at this point, he played soldiers on leave almost exclusively. This was the year that noir was just starting to be distinct from crime drama, or war drama or any other genre. *Journey into Fear*, *Shadow of a Doubt*, Val Lewton's films were paving the way for the uncertainty of the post war period. And Ryan is the king of uncertainty. Maybe it was the existence of HUAC itself that eventually caused noir to take off.....

 

Message was edited by: JackFavell

[HollywoodGolightly]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}

> Maybe I should start an underrated brunettes thread?

 

That would be a lovely idea for a thread, there were probably quite a few underrated brunettes in those early days of Hollywood.

 

> Maybe it was the existence of HUAC itself that eventually caused noir to take off.....

 

That's a very good point. It must certainly have had an effect on how filmmakers felt about post-war America, so I think it's a brilliant observation.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}

> I like the share and share alike theme of the movie. Especially when the characters are all women - it's like a little time capsule - women getting jobs for the first time, banding together under socialist ideals..helping each other out....it's lovely.

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Yes, well, you ladies just stay the heck away from my bottle of Tiffany perfume, it cost

me plenty!

 

How is that for my audition for the Veronica Lake role? Oh wait! that's another movie!

 

> Oh wait..... no.... I mean, how AWFUL, those girls pooling their resources like that! This kind of behavior is the reason our country went downhill so fast after the war....... we really blew it. Just think what a great place this might have been(for the rich) if FDR hadn't put all those socialist programs into effect.....Socialism is EVIL....

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Socializing is evil!! Oh no!! Well, I will confess (it's the Russian soul): my social

life is pretty evil.

 

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> I always like to see Patricia Collinge in movies... she has such an odd presence and that giggly voice... really like her.

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Those remarkable character actors and actresses, what would we do without them?

 

> Ruth Hussey - well I've seen *The Philadelphia Story* (I always find it amazing that this was Shirley Booth's role on Broadway), *The Uninvited* (I don't remember much of it), and this one, now. Oh, and *The Women*, but does that count? But she still made a big impression on me. One movie I have seen, but don't remember her in is *Northwest Passage*, with Spencer Tracy. I imagine she was good match for him.

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Shirley Booth? Mrs Leslie, honey? By the way, I FINALLY, many, many thanks to that gorgeous

colleen, Moirafinnie, found a copy at iOffer.com of Robbie Baby Ryan's sweet, sad love

story, About Mrs. Leslie. I'm awash in tears. Imagine he and Shirley Booth a couple.

Yes, it can be done.

 

> The studio hired her to put the strong arm on Myrna Loy and Norma Shearer.... when they started getting too big for their britches, the studio would trot out Ruth Hussey as the next big thing. She really wasn't very ambitious, and was a pretty easygoing gal from what I have read. I forgot to mention one of the things I really love about her is her warm low voice. She is my Margaret Lindsay, if you know what I mean.

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A lady that posts in a classic movie forum I first belonged to went to the same church as Ruth

Hussey and said she was nicest woman you can imagine. She had a really happy marriage, too,

apparently.

 

> I am trying to find a place where I can post some pictures of her... there was a blonde and a redhead thread waaaaay back, but I don't remember a brunette one. Oh, it doesn't matter anyway because we can't revive old threads. Maybe I should start an underrated brunettes thread?

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I had dandled the thought of starting a "My Favorite Brunettes" thread until the Gesta---I

mean Mod Squad ruled no pix beyond 600 x 600. It nipped me in the bud, as Barney

would say.

 

> Oh, Robert Ryan? I thought he was exactly those things you mentioned... soft, childlike... a leading man, kind of hokey....he hit all the right notes, playing the childhood sweetheart. It just wasn't his picture. The world wasn't ready for him yet.... the roles just didn't exist at this time, or they were just starting... let's see. This was 1943? *The Maltese Falcon* had just been released, *Laura* hadn't come out yet (can you imagine a world without *Laura* ?) They must not have known what to do with Ryan. As I recall at this point, he played soldiers on leave almost exclusively. This was the year that noir was just starting to be distinct from crime drama, or war drama or any other genre. *Journey into Fear*, *Shadow of a Doubt*, Val Lewton's films were paving the way for the uncertainty of the post war period. And Ryan is the king of uncertainty. Maybe it was the existence of HUAC itself that eventually caused noir to take off.....

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Beautiful, Jackie! You and CinemAva have written some wonderful stuff.

 

I just finished watching an early Ryan appearance in RKO's propaganda film directed

by Edward Dmytryk: BEHIND THE RISING SUN. Phew!! Talk about rough. I guess

because it was a propaganda movie they could get away with the extreme violence

but it was more than I could take and I had to look away from a lot of scenes (torure,

infanticide, rape, genocide, suicide every 'cide' you can imagine not to mention a

truly long and gruelling "boxing" duel between Robby Baby and the Empire's reigning

heavyweight champeen, Mike Mazurski. Poor Robby! He earned his pay on that

film but good).

 

Ryan's role was, alas, too brief but what a cutie pie. UNTIL he got up to shoot

the cat.

 

I can't explain, you'll just have to watch it next time TCM airs it.

 

Message was edited by: MissGoddess because I felt like it.

[HollywoodGolightly]

I recorded Behind the Rising Sun, too, but haven't had time to watch it (long story). I will try and post some screencaps over the long weekend.

[JackFavell]

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}

> I just finished watching an early Ryan appearance in RKO's propaganda film directed

> by Edward Dmytryk: BEHIND THE RISING SUN. Phew!! Talk about rough. I guess

> because it was a propaganda movie they could get away with the extreme violence

> but it was more than I could take and I had to look away from a lot of scenes (torure,

> infanticide, rape, genocide, suicide every 'cide' you can imagine not to mention a

> truly long and gruelling "boxing" duel between Robby Baby and the Empire's reigning

> heavyweight champeen, Mike Mazurski. Poor Robby! He earned his pay on that

> film but good).

 

Hello, Mrs. Ryan.... this is Mrs. Johnson leaning out of the tenement window for a chat and a cuppa tea before I hang up the laundry.....

 

Somehow this boxing scene reminds me of my poor Ben and his pounding at the hands of Alan Ladd..... our boys certainly did work hard, didn't they? Although I think I would rather be beaten up by Alan Ladd than Mike Mazurski - ouch! That must have been brutal.

 

 

>Yes, well, you ladies just stay the heck away from my bottle of Tiffany perfume, it cost me plenty!

>How is that for my audition for the Veronica Lake role? Oh wait! that's another movie!

 

Hee hee. You blondes and your perfume! Just don't drink it, Scarlett...

 

>Shirley Booth? Mrs Leslie, honey? By the way, I FINALLY, many, many thanks to that gorgeous

>colleen, Moirafinnie, found a copy at iOffer.com of Robbie Baby Ryan's sweet, sad love story >About Mrs. Leslie. I'm awash in tears. Imagine he and Shirley Booth a couple. Yes, it can be done.

 

I am jealous. That is the one Ryan movie I am dying to see. I have to go on ioffer more often. I found *The Shamrock Handicap* there.

 

 

>I had dandled the thought of starting a "My Favorite Brunettes" thread until the Gesta---I mean Mod Squad ruled no pix beyond 600 x 600. It nipped me in the bud, as Barney would say.

 

Maybe I'll go ahead and do it, that is if someone hasn't beaten me to it.

[MissGoddess]

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> Hello, Mrs. Ryan.... this is Mrs. Johnson leaning out of the tenement window for a chat and a cuppa tea before I hang up the laundry.....

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Hi Mrs Johnson, honey! I hope we didn't keep you and Ben awake with our

rowing last night. Sometimes the only thing to do with that man is shy a

few dishes at his head. He says he'd rather battle Mike Mazurski again.

 

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> Maybe I'll go ahead and do it, that is if someone hasn't beaten me to it.

 

You build it, and we will come.

[JackFavell]

>He says he'd rather battle Mike Mazurski again.

 

HA!

[CineMaven]

JACKFAVELL:

 

?The studio hired her to put the strong arm on Myrna Loy and Norma Shearer.... when they started getting too big for their britches, the studio would trot out Ruth Hussey as the next big thing. She really wasn't very ambitious, and was a pretty easygoing gal from what I have read.?

 

Bacall?s threat was Lizabeth Scott who I would strenuously campaign for TCM trying to score an interview.

 

?I forgot to mention one of the things I really love about her is her warm low voice. She is my Margaret Lindsay, if you know what I mean.?

 

Ma?am I believe I know wha?cha mean. Lindsay?s my Achilles Heel.

 

?I am trying to find a place where I can post some pictures of her... there was a blonde and a redhead thread waaaaay back, but I don't remember a brunette one. Oh, it doesn't matter anyway because we can't revive old threads. Maybe I should start an underrated brunettes thread??

 

Why not? We?ve got ten thousand threads a day being posted. And that's just one person. How harmful can a little ol? brunette thread be? Just make sure you include Joan Bennett, Ava Gardner, Elizabeth Taylor, Gene Tierney, Linda Darnell, Betty (not Veronica) and etc.

 

?This was 1943? The Maltese Falcon had just been released, Laura hadn't come out yet (can you imagine a world without Laura ?)?

 

Please don?t make me imagine a world without ?LAURA.? :-(

 

This was 1943? ...They must not have known what to do with Ryan. As I recall at this point, he played soldiers on leave almost exclusively. This was the year that noir was just starting to be distinct from crime drama, or war drama or any other genre...And Ryan is the king of uncertainty. Maybe it was the existence of HUAC itself that eventually caused noir to take off...

 

GREAT POINT (about the HUAC), Jackaaay. The fear they inspired could have inspired NOIR. Seems like history is about to repeat itself. We are in the midst of turmoil right now. It?s funny...I think when we look at classic films, we are looking at things in hindsight...knowing how things will turn out for Marilyn or Natalie or Harlow or Lombard or Ryan etc. We watch their beginnings knowing how things will end up.

 

Socialism....ooooh scary monsters!

 

?I always like to see Patricia Collinge in movies... she has such an odd presence and that giggly voice...really like her.?

 

Patricia Collinge breaks my heart in ?Shadow of a Doubt? and ?The Little Foxes.? She drips with pathos for me.

 

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Yes, well, you ladies just stay the heck away from my bottle of Tiffany perfume, it cost me plenty!

 

How is that for my audition for the Veronica Lake role? Oh wait! that's another movie! - Miss Goddess.

 

?Hee hee. You blondes and your perfume! Just don't drink it, Scarlett...? - JackFavell.

 

<HICCUP!!>

 

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MISS GODDESS:

 

?Those remarkable character actors and actresses, what would we do without them??

 

Please don?t make me think of a world without them! :-(

 

?I had dandled the thought of starting a "My Favorite Brunettes" thread until the Gesta---I mean Mod Squad ruled no pix beyond 600 x 600. It nipped me in the bud, as Barney would say.?

 

Can you shrink ?em down? Oh, it might not even be worth it. Gesta-- gestalt???

 

?Hi Mrs Johnson, honey! I hope we didn't keep you and Ben awake with our

rowing last night. Sometimes the only thing to do with that man is shy a

few dishes at his head. He says he'd rather battle Mike Mazurski again.?

 

If you?re spending most of your time arguing with Bobby Ryan than...well...well...

[HollywoodGolightly]

> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}

> Bacalls threat was Lizabeth Scott who I would strenuously campaign for TCM trying to score an interview.

 

Miss Maven,

You have hit the nail in the head! I would totally second your call for TCM to try and get a Private Screenings interview with her, if at all possible. I really loved her in Dead Reckoning and other movies of hers I have been lucky enough to see.

 

I think she could give a really interesting interview, and RO would love to have her, I'm sure.

[MissGoddess]

Please don?t make me imagine a world without ?LAURA.?

 

Oh, I really can't imagine it! No beautiful, haunting Gene Tierney, no lovely

portrait, no beautiful theme music by David Raksin?

 

I'm re-reading the novel, presently (along with Kings Go Forth). I had forgotten

how much better the script is to the book, surprisingly.

[ChiO]

The cover story in today's Chicago Reader (www.chicagoreader.com) is on Robert Ryan and his family's Chicago history. The information is "new" thanks to _mookryan_ releasing a letter that she recently found.

[MissGoddess]

What!? Can I access the article online??? If not, are you by any wee chance able to scan and PM it maybe, yes? maybe no?

[MissGoddess]

Never mind, ChiO! I found it. Thanks!

[timothy17]

[HollywoodGolightly]

That's a really awesome Ryan photo, timothy - he looks so pensive! :x

[timothy17]

i think the best thing about these is finding wonderful photo's for other people to see and appreciate =)

[MissGoddess]

Just bumping this up again...the Robert Ryan salute over two days include the following (all times EST):

 

November 10th:

 

6:00 AM Her Twelve Men (1954)

A dedicated teacher turns around the troublesome students at a boys' school. Cast: Greer Garson, Robert Ryan, Richard Haydn. Dir: Robert Z. Leonard. BW-91 mins, TV-G, CC

 

8:00 AM Born To Be Bad (1950)

An ambitious girl steals a rich husband but keeps her lover on the side. Cast: Joan Fontaine, Robert Ryan, Mel Ferrer. Dir: Nicholas Ray. BW-90 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

10:00 AM Best Of The Badmen (1951)

A band of notorious outlaws help a friend against a corrupt federal agent. Cast: Robert Ryan, Claire Trevor, Robert Preston. Dir: William D. Russell. C-84 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

11:30 AM Back From Eternity (1956)

When an airliner crashes in the jungle, the repaired plane can only hold five of the survivors. Cast: Robert Ryan, Anita Ekberg, Rod Steiger. Dir: John Farrow. BW-97 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

1:30 PM Racket, The (1951)

A tough cop has to fight his superiors in order to battle the mob. Cast: Robert Mitchum, Lizabeth Scott, Robert Ryan. Dir: John Cromwell. BW-89 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

3:00 PM On Dangerous Ground (1951)

A tough cop sent to help in a mountain manhunt falls for the quarry's blind sister. Cast: Ida Lupino, Robert Ryan, Ward Bond. Dir: Nicholas Ray. BW-82 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

4:30 PM Beware, My Lovely (1952)

A widow discovers her handyman is an escaped mental patient. Cast: Ida Lupino, Robert Ryan, Taylor Holmes. Dir: Harry Horner. BW-77 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

6:00 PM Clash By Night (1952)

An embittered woman seeks escape in marriage, only to fall for her husband's best friend. Cast: Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Marilyn Monroe. Dir: Fritz Lang. BW-105 mins, TV-PG, CC, DVS

 

 

November 11th:

 

7:00 AM Bombardier (1943)

Military officers compete for the same woman while training pilots for war. Cast: Pat O'Brien, Randolph Scott, Anne Shirley. Dir: Richard Wallace. BW-99 mins, TV-G, CC

 

9:00 AM Gangway for Tomorrow (1943)

Five people thrown together by World War II review their pasts. Cast: Robert Ryan, Margo, John Carradine. Dir: John H. Auer. BW-69 mins, TV-PG

 

10:15 AM Marine Raiders (1944)

Marine buddies training in Australia battle over love. Cast: Pat O'Brien, Robert Ryan, Ruth Hussey. Dir: Harold Schuster. BW-91 mins, TV-G

 

12:00 PM Iron Major, The (1943)

In this true story, Frank Cavanaugh proves himself as a football coach and a World War I hero. Cast: Pat O'Brien, Ruth Warrick, Robert Ryan. Dir: Ray Enright. BW-85 mins, TV-G

 

1:30 PM Tender Comrade (1943)

Lady welders pool their resources to share a house during World War II. Cast: Ginger Rogers, Robert Ryan, Ruth Hussey. Dir: Edward Dmytryk. BW-102 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

3:15 PM Berlin Express (1948)

Allied agents fight an underground Nazi group in post-war Europe. Cast: Merle Oberon, Robert Ryan, Paul Lukas. Dir: Jacques Tourneur. BW-87 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

4:45 PM Act Of Violence (1949)

An embittered veteran tracks down a POW camp informer. Cast: Van Heflin, Robert Ryan, Janet Leigh. Dir: Fred Zinnemann. BW-82 mins, TV-PG, CC

 

6:30 PM Bad Day At Black Rock (1955)

A one-armed veteran uncovers small-town secrets when he tries to visit an Asian-American war hero's family. Cast: Spencer Tracy, Robert Ryan, Anne Francis. Dir: John Sturges. C-82 mins, TV-PG, CC, Letterbox Format, DVS

[pandorainmay]

In addition to this two day tribute, the rarely broadcast *House of Bamboo* (1955-Sam Fuller)

is scheduled for Sunday, Nov. 8th at 8PM EST.