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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Yes but I was thinking about him. :P

>

> No you weren't! You were thinking of Maria.

 

I was thinking they made a cute couple.

 

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I was thinking they made a cute couple.

 

They do. And "Harry" does care about Maria. He's a father figure for her. He needed to

be, too, since he was the one who took her away from her home. It was up to him to protect

her. I liked his mousey wife. :)

 

These thumbnails are caca.

 

I agree! I don't like the extra work of clicking thru photo after photo. I'd rather just scroll.

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> I was thinking they made a cute couple.

>

> They do. And "Harry" does care about Maria. He's a father figure for her. He needed to

> be, too, since he was the one who took her away from her home. It was up to him to protect

> her. I liked his mousey wife. :)

>

 

I thought that was really novel for Bogart to play a character like that. I mean, it

basically puts him out of romantic commission and into a character role. I like

the wife too, she's a nice girl but come on, it's BOGIE! :D

 

 

> These thumbnails are caca.

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> I agree! I don't like the extra work of clicking thru photo after photo. I'd rather just scroll.

 

I know! I like "decorating" my "rooms". :)

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I thought that was really novel for Bogart to play a character like that. I mean, it

basically puts him out of romantic commission and into a character role.

 

I think it was very brave of Bogie to take on such a role. He actually disappears during

the film. The film is less interesting to me when Bogie isn't around, too.

 

I also believe Harry wasn't always right when it comes to Maria. She was often more right

than him.

 

I like the wife too, she's a nice girl but come on, it's BOGIE!

 

She's fun and sweet! What guy doesn't want that kind of girl?

 

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I also believe Harry wasn't always right when it comes to Maria. She was often more right

than him.

 

He was a Hollywood screenwriter! He thought life could be maneouvered like a script.

 

His character, I think, is somewhat similar to Mankiewicz's own relationships with

actresses at many points (though he often got romantic with them, too). He was often

the guy they went to with their problems and he was fascinated by female psychology.

 

She's fun and sweet! What guy doesn't want that kind of girl?

 

I agree she's the kind they SHOULD want. :P

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He was a Hollywood screenwriter! He thought life could be maneouvered like a script.

 

Yes, this is true. But I didn't like Harry's advice to her at the party. Maria was right about

her lover in the dirt being the same as the white yacht. Both weren't the answer, really. But

at least her lover in the dirt made her feel, which is something the other guys didn't do for

her.

 

His character, I think, is somewhat similar to Mankiewicz's own relationships with

actresses at many points (though he often got romantic with them, too). He was often

the guy they went to with their problems and he was fascinated by female psychology.

 

I completely agree with you. I think Mank is "Harry Dawes," but he didn't keep his distance

with his leading ladies. Poor Linda.

 

What has drawn me to Mankiewicz's films has been the female psychology. I think he

really understood woman.

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> He was a Hollywood screenwriter! He thought life could be maneouvered like a script.

>

> Yes, this is true. But I didn't like Harry's advice to her at the party. Maria was right about

> her lover in the dirt being the same as the white yacht. Both weren't the answer, really. But

> at least her lover in the dirt made her feel, which is something the other guys didn't do for

> her.

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I forget what he advised her?

 

 

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> I completely agree with you. I think Mank is "Harry Dawes," but he didn't keep his distance

> with his leading ladies. Poor Linda.

>

> What has drawn me to Mankiewicz's films has been the female psychology. I think he

> really understood woman.

 

Yes, he did. His movies are very engrossing and basically the just feature people talking,

revealing themselves. I really enjoy that when it's done well and with insight.

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I forget what he advised her?

 

Harry is basically telling her to assimilate with the rich and powerful. She ends up doing

this and becomes miserable until her prince comes along.

 

Harry thought that Maria's hometown lover was now beneath her. She needed to "grow up."

 

Yes, he did. His movies are very engrossing and basically the just feature people talking,

revealing themselves. I really enjoy that when it's done well and with insight.

 

You are right about that. Mankiewicz was all about exploring relationships, and mostly from

a very feminine point of view.

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> Harry is basically telling her to assimilate with the rich and powerful. She ends up doing

> this and becomes miserable until her prince comes along.

>

 

Oh, I don't remember that. I know he didn't like her fooling around with the gardner

but I didn't know he wanted her to fool around with the jet set instead. That's the

sort of advice she'd hear a lot of in Hollywood.

 

> Harry thought that Maria's hometown lover was now beneath her. She needed to "grow up."

>

 

I thought maybe it was just the fact it was only a fling that bothered him, that she

was behaving trampishly.

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Oh, I don't remember that. I know he didn't like her fooling around with the gardner

but I didn't know he wanted her to fool around with the jet set instead. That's the

sort of advice she'd hear a lot of in Hollywood.

 

My first impression was that I thought Harry was looking out for her, but he really wasn't.

 

I thought maybe it was just the fact it was only a fling that bothered him, that she

was behaving trampishly.

 

I think it was who she was with more than anything else.

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I'll have to watch that scene again with this in mind. I was confused, anyway,

as to just what he wanted her to do. He didn't seem to have a clear idea and

he must have known how limited her choices were in such a town.

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Really? Let's hope TCM will show it soon.

 

One good movie with Ava that is showing tonight on TCM is The Snows of Kilimanjaro. This used to be a public domain title until Fox Video released an official DVD a couple of years ago.

 

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*The Snows Of Kilimanjaro* (1952) 10pm ET

As he fights a deadly jungle fever, a hunter remembers his lost loves..

Cast: Gregory Peck, Susan Hayward, Ava Gardner, Hildegarde Neff Dir: Henry King C-114 mins, TV-PG

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Yesterday I got to see the RESTORED print of Pandor and the Flying

Dutchman at a screening. I cannot emphasize enough what a stunningly

beautiful film this is, and deserving of more attention.

 

I hope TCM can get broadcast rights to show the restored version, because

it is a significant improvement to what I've seen in the past, including the

DVD (which I hope will be re-mastered and re-released).

 

It was my first Ava film on the big screen, too. She was so perfectly cast

as "Pandora", it's a beautiful meeting of actress and role. A wonderful,

adult fairy tale, something akin to Portrait of Jennie but more erotic.

 

It's hard to pick the "best" film Jack Cardiff ever photographed, but

this one is as good as any of them.

 

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Pandora and the Flying Dutchman

 

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Hola, Jabber Jaws -- Yesterday I got to see the RESTORED print of Pandor and the Flying Dutchman at a screening. I cannot emphasize enough what a stunningly

beautiful film this is, and deserving of more attention.

 

Well, I finally watched the film and I thought it was pretty good.

 

It was my first Ava film on the big screen, too. She was so perfectly cast

as "Pandora", it's a beautiful meeting of actress and role.

 

I happen to agree. Pardon me...

 

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A wonderful, adult fairy tale, something akin to Portrait of Jennie but more erotic.

 

I also agree with that comparison. It also reminded me of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.

 

So would you like to disagre... I mean, discuss the film?

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> Well, I finally watched the film and I thought it was pretty good.

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That's better than "solid" I guess. :P

 

> It was my first Ava film on the big screen, too. She was so perfectly cast

> as "Pandora", it's a beautiful meeting of actress and role.

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> I happen to agree. Pardon me...

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Yes, drink it ALL DOWN, PLEASE. :D

 

 

> A wonderful, adult fairy tale, something akin to Portrait of Jennie but more erotic.

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> I also agree with that comparison. It also reminded me of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.

>

 

Yes, I can see that, too. Good one.

 

> So would you like to disagre... I mean, discuss the film?

 

Fire away! Did you like Pandora---her character---or not? She's certainly...confident. I wish I had that kind of moxie, but I guess it comes with having looks men throw cars off cliffs for. :D

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That's better than "solid" I guess.

 

It is! The film actually stuck with me for a few days and I ended up liking it more and more. I think it's a wonderful blend of male and female desire.

 

Yes, drink it ALL DOWN, PLEASE.

 

You're so kind and gracious. :P

 

Did you like Pandora---her character---or not?

 

Yes, I liked Pandora. I thought it was a nice representation of woman.

 

She's certainly...confident.

 

She followed her feelings.

 

I wish I had that kind of moxie, but I guess it comes with having looks men throw cars off cliffs for.

 

You're too busy pushing men over cliffs! Try being sweet for a change.

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> It is! The film actually stuck with me for a few days and I ended up liking it more and more. I think it's a wonderful blend of male and female desire.

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How do you mean?

 

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> Yes, I liked Pandora. I thought it was a nice representation of woman.

>

 

Gosh! She is? How so? I would rather say she's somewhat idealized.

 

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> She followed her feelings.

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She's very honest, too.

 

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> You're too busy pushing men over cliffs! Try being sweet for a change.

 

Please don't be personal about this. :P

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