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DESPERATE -- a new Anthony Mann fan


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I appreciated Mary Beth Hughes performance, she was good, and yes, I see some

Cathy Moffat in her, too, though not quite as cold.

 

It's her face, mostly her eyes and lips, that made me think she looked like "Kathie Moffat."

Kathie is definitely colder and harsher.

 

The dialogue was just a bit too florid. I think audiences weren't meant to take it

too seriously, but to have fun with it. We take noir so seriously today, I can't help but

wonder if people used to have a better perspective when they didn't institutionalize

the "genre/style" so much.

 

It's a "crime of the heart" film that ends rather strongly and "Connie" is so doggone

nasty. It plays serious to me.

 

Margot was much harsher to me, too, even her looks (I didn't find her that pretty

by the way, and she looked rather used up whereas I can see Marybeth Hughes

being more appealing).

 

Margot is definitely harsher, including her looks. She's very cold... and I really

that like. She's nasty. A guy can fall for most any kind of gal if they are throwing

themselves at you. Some of us guys lack will power. Ahhhh, film noir.

 

He was rather poignant and lots of times someone who represses a natural need for

love will burst out and make a HUGE mistake in judgement. Being extreme is a set-up

for foolish decisions.

 

Yes, the most vulnerable are the wanting AND the trusting. Flamarion (Erich von Stroheim)

was doing all he could to suppress both, but he ended up becoming a sick puppy. One's

desires are hard to smother unless those desires "shoot" you.

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> It's her face, mostly her eyes and lips, that made me think she looked like "Kathie Moffat."

> Kathie is definitely colder and harsher.

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Yes, I saw that resemblance in the caps you posted---they both have very

soft features but boy, what's inside sure isn't!

 

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> It's a "crime of the heart" film that ends rather strongly and "Connie" is so doggone

> nasty. It plays serious to me.

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I understand. You seem to like the ones where the "worm turns". :D

 

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> Margot is definitely harsher, including her looks. She's very cold... and I really

> that like. She's nasty. A guy can fall for most any kind of gal if they are throwing

> themselves at you. Some of us guys lack will power. Ahhhh, film noir.

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You "like that" I hope in the cinematic sense only!

 

 

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> Yes, the most vulnerable are the wanting AND the trusting. Flamarion (Erich von Stroheim)

> was doing all he could to suppress both, but he ended up becoming a sick puppy. One's

> desires are hard to smother unless those desires "shoot" you.

 

It's sad to think for so many those are the only options. Depressing! I prefer Penelope! :D

 

So if I may ask you and everyone else this:

 

What, if any, film noir character do you most identify with?

 

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I understand. You seem to like the ones where the "worm turns".

 

Very much so.

 

Margot is definitely harsher, including her looks. She's very cold... and I really

that like. She's nasty. A guy can fall for most any kind of gal if they are throwing

themselves at you. Some of us guys lack will power. Ahhhh, film noir.

 

You "like that" I hope in the cinematic sense only!

 

Yes, of course. In reality, I want no part of an icy cold gal.

 

It's sad to think for so many those are the only options. Depressing! I prefer Penelope!

 

Natalie Wood?

 

 

So if I may ask you and everyone else this:

 

What, if any, film noir character do you most identify with?

 

Chris Cross in Scarlet Street! This Ranse loves his aprons! :P

 

Your question is a very difficult one for me because I rarely identify with actual film noir

characters. They are so different than me. What I do identify with are the temptations and feelings many of them experience. This is one of the great attractions of film noir for me.

 

If I had to pick one, it would be "Joe Norson" (Farley Granger) in Side Street.

 

Also, strangely enough, I actually identify with "Laurel Gray" in In a Lonely Place.

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> It's sad to think for so many those are the only options. Depressing! I prefer Penelope!

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> Natalie Wood?

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Yes!

 

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> Chris Cross in Scarlet Street! This Ranse loves his aprons! :P

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Oh dear!

 

> Your question is a very difficult one for me because I rarely identify with actual film noir

> characters. They are so different than me. What I do identify with are the temptations and feelings many of them experience. This is one of the great attractions of film noir for me.

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No wonder no one else answered it.

 

> If I had to pick one, it would be "Joe Norson" (Farley Granger) in Side Street.

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Hmmm...I don't think I've seen that one yet, but I'm not sure. Why him?

 

> Also, strangely enough, I actually identify with "Laurel Gray" in In a Lonely Place.

 

Okay you really have to splain that one. I mean, if you care to. No one needs to

"explain" their choices if they'd rather not. But you do have me worried... :P

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No wonder no one else answered it.

 

Do you actually think there are film noir fans on this board? :)

 

Who's your choice? Let me guess, "Vera" (Ann Savage) from Detour. :P

 

 

Hmmm...I don't think I've seen that one yet, but I'm not sure. Why him?

 

Joe is a father-to-be who wants to get his own house for his wife and child but he's not

making enough money and is worried about his job security. He's basically a struggling

regular guy who is mostly thinking of his family, not himself. I like the

Farley Granger/Cathy O'Donnell combination.

 

Also, strangely enough, I actually identify with "Laurel Gray" in In a Lonely Place.

 

Okay you really have to splain that one. I mean, if you care to. No one needs to

"explain" their choices if they'd rather not. But you do have me worried.

 

That would probably come out if I ever wrote about Laurel and In a Lonely Place.

 

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> Do you actually think there are film noir fans on this board? :)

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There are a lot of tumbleweeds blowing through Dark City...

 

> Who's your choice? Let me guess, "Vera" (Ann Savage) from Detour. :P

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Eeew! No, like you I don't necessarily find characters I readily identify with in noir.

Their are characters I wish I could be more like (Laura), characters I have strong

sympathy for (Stella, in Fallen Angel) but mostly I am detached from them.

I don't know, maybe Ann Shirley in Murder, My Sweet or Evelyn Keyes in

Johnny O'Clock.

 

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> Joe is a father-to-be who wants to get his own house for his wife and child but he's not

> making enough money and is worried about his job security. He's basically a struggling

> regular guy who is mostly thinking of his family, not himself. I like the

> Farley Granger/Cathy O'Donnell combination.

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I prefer her with John Garfield in Force of Evil, it's more interesting.

 

 

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> That would probably come out if I ever wrote about Laurel and In a Lonely Place.

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Promises, promises. Come on!

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There are a lot of tumbleweeds blowing through Dark City.

 

Ohh, that's nothing new.

 

Eeew! No, like you I don't necessarily find characters I readily identify with in noir.

Their are characters I wish I could be more like (Laura), characters I have strong

sympathy for (Stella, in Fallen Angel) but mostly I am detached from them.

I don't know, maybe Ann Shirley in Murder, My Sweet or Evelyn Keyes in

Johnny O'Clock.

 

Anne Shirley? You're Claire Trevor!

 

I can see you as "Laura."

 

I prefer her with John Garfield in Force of Evil, it's more interesting.

 

One of these days, I will convince you that Cathy is not in Force of Evil.

 

Promises, promises. Come on!

 

Too bad! That's what you are!

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> Anne Shirley? You're Claire Trevor!

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Don't be absurd.

 

 

> I can see you as "Laura."

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Not even close. I wish!

 

 

> I prefer her with John Garfield in Force of Evil, it's more interesting.

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> One of these days, I will convince you that Cathy is not in Force of Evil.

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lol! Even as I wrote it I figured I was confusing her with the other actress...miss whosits...

 

> Promises, promises. Come on!

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> Too bad! That's what you are!

 

What's what I are?

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Not even close. I wish!

 

I think you are very much a "Laura."

 

lol! Even as I wrote it I figured I was confusing her with the other actress...miss whosits.

 

Yes, Miss Whosits. I still haven't had the guts to tell you it's not Clark Gable in

Gone With the Wind but George Raft. :P

 

What's what I are?

 

Too bad, Vera!

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> I think you are very much a "Laura."

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Good grief, not at all.

 

 

> Yes, Miss Whosits. I still haven't had the guts to tell you it's not Clark Gable in

> Gone With the Wind but George Raft. :P

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Now that is one thing I am sure about.

 

 

> What's what I are?

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> Too bad, Vera!

 

Stop changing the subject, why are you a girl? :P

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> Oh, don't sell yourself short.

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I'm not it's just I'm not like her and I certainly don't live as well as she does.

 

> Stop changing the subject, why are you a girl?

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> Because I'm wearing an apron.

 

I mean why do you identify with Laurel Grey?!

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I'm not it's just I'm not like her and I certainly don't live as well as she does.

 

I'm speaking of personality. Ohh, wait. Is Laura snippy? I take it back. You're Vera. :P

 

I mean why do you identify with Laurel Grey?!

 

I can explain that when I write about the film. Maybe I'll do that next weekend. :P

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> I mean why do you identify with Laurel Grey?!

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> I can explain that when I write about the film. Maybe I'll do that next weekend. :P

 

CineMaven and Molo will be holding their breaths...not!

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Grimes wearing an apron...MissGoddess mowing men down like Kathie Moffett. What goes here? Uh-oh wait a minute...there's a mother lode here in rambling. I've got to check this out more closely.

 

Who knew Anthony Mann would draw all this out.

 

Message was edited by CineMaven becuz you're right, I'll not be holding my breath.

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