jaragon Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 There is is bizarre trend on the internet of making horror movie villains into "gay icons". First there was" the Babadook "and now it's Penny Wise the evil clown from "It". There is nothing gay about either one . Penny Wise manipulates children and kills them- oh yes that is my type of gay icon! Who starts this non sense?! People who don't like horror movies and want to appear cool? Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I saw a headline somewhere recently about The Babadook becoming a "gay icon", but I didn't click on it, as it seemed like click-bait garbage. I enjoyed The Babadook, but I have no idea where they could be coming from with the gay angle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jaragon Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 I saw a headline somewhere recently about The Babadook becoming a "gay icon", but I didn't click on it, as it seemed like click-bait garbage. I enjoyed The Babadook, but I have no idea where they could be coming from with the gay angle. Exactly- I really don't get this at all Link to post Share on other sites
ChristineHoard Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 There is is bizarre trend on the internet of making horror movie villains into "gay icons". First there was" the Babadook "and now it's Penny Wise the evil clown from "It". There is nothing gay about either one . Penny Wise manipulates children and kills them- oh yes that is my type of gay icon! Who starts this non sense?! People who don't like horror movies and want to appear cool? Sounds like people who don't like horror movies OR gay people. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
rayban Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 As far as I know, the first gay icon from Hell was The Masked Halloween Killer in the first gay slasher film, "Hellbent" from 2004 - The Masked Halloween Killer liked them - young and meaty - 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jaragon Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 As far as I know, the first gay icon from Hell was The Masked Halloween Killer in the first gay slasher film, "Hellbent" from 2004 - The Masked Halloween Killer liked them - young and meaty - Yes that is one gay icon I can live with 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Arsan404 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I saw a headline somewhere recently about The Babadook becoming a "gay icon", but I didn't click on it, as it seemed like click-bait garbage. I enjoyed The Babadook, but I have no idea where they could be coming from with the gay angle. It started when Netflix listed the movie under LGBT by mistake; then somebody saw the irony of a gay Babadook and posted it on tumblr: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jun/11/the-babadook-how-horror-movie-monster-became-a-gay-icon https://www.newyorker.com/culture/rabbit-holes/the-babadook-is-a-frightening-fabulous-new-gay-icon 2 Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 It started when Netflix listed the movie under LGBT by mistake; then somebody saw the irony of a gay Babadook and posted it on tumblr: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jun/11/the-babadook-how-horror-movie-monster-became-a-gay-icon https://www.newyorker.com/culture/rabbit-holes/the-babadook-is-a-frightening-fabulous-new-gay-icon It makes more sense now, after reading the New Yorker column. It started as a bit of a goof, and then snowballed, as these things do, into an actual phenomenon. And there's the universal theme of monster-as-outsider that can align with any repressed or socially stigmatized sub-group. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Arsan404 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 It makes more sense now, after reading the New Yorker column. It started as a bit of a goof, and then snowballed, as these things do, into an actual phenomenon. And there's the universal theme of monster-as-outsider that can align with any repressed or socially stigmatized sub-group. I wonder if a lot of people will change their minds about the movie. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I wonder if a lot of people will change their minds about the movie. How so? Do you mean will viewers interpret the movie differently if they go into it with this new association? I'm sure they would. I don't know if they would like it less or more, as that would depend on the viewer. I don't think I'll see it differently. I liked the film enough to rank it in my top ten for that year. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Arsan404 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 How so? Do you mean will viewers interpret the movie differently if they go into it with this new association? I'm sure they would. I don't know if they would like it less or more, as that would depend on the viewer. I don't think I'll see it differently. I liked the film enough to rank it in my top ten for that year. Yes, that's what meant, but I've reread my post and now I think I underestimated a great deal of the audience. Me, I saw it once when it opened and I don't remember much about it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jaragon Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 "The Babadook" is about a mother and her young son who are terrorized by Mr Babadook a creature from a story book that seems to come to live. I've seen the film several times and really don't see the gay connection unless like you said it was started by some sort of internet mistake. Monsters in movies can be seeing as metaphor for gays as outsiders- just read "Monsters in the Closet" which stretches the connection between classic horror and gay subtext.https://youtu.be/PncPJyewiLw 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Arsan404 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 "The Babadook" is about a mother and her young son who are terrorized by Mr Babadook a creature from a story book that seems to come to live. I've seen the film several times and really don't see the gay connection unless like you said it was started by some sort of internet mistake. Monsters in movies can be seeing as metaphor for gays as outsiders- just read "Monsters in the Closet" which stretches the connection between classic horror and gay subtext.https://youtu.be/PncPJyewiLw Thank you for the summary and the link to the trailer. I remember the premise of the movie, perhaps I should have stated that, but I saw it three years ago! I vaguely recall a couple scary scenes -which are included in the trailer, but in the end I was disappointed. As with It Follows, I thought the movie delivered occasionally, but not as a whole. Since the movie seems to be so popular on these boards, perhaps I should try to watch it again. Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Thank you for the summary and the link to the trailer. I remember the premise of the movie, perhaps I should have stated that, but I saw it three years ago! I vaguely recall a couple scary scenes -which are included in the trailer, but in the end I was disappointed. As with It Follows, I thought the movie delivered occasionally, but not as a whole. Since the movie seems to be so popular on these boards, perhaps I should try to watch it again. I really enjoyed It Follows, as well. I should say that I watch a lot of horror films, and while it's perhaps my favorite genre, I'm excessively critical of it, and very seldom find newer films that I enjoy. These two are notable exceptions. Link to post Share on other sites
Arsan404 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I really enjoyed It Follows, as well. I should say that I watch a lot of horror films, and while it's perhaps my favorite genre, I'm excessively critical of it, and very seldom find newer films that I enjoy. These two are notable exceptions. The main problem I saw in It Follows and The Babadook is that they worked hard to transcend the characteristics of the horror genre to give them a deeper meaning to their stories and, in my opinion, it didn't work. Of the newer films, I liked The Witch and The Autopsy of Jane Doe. Link to post Share on other sites
LawrenceA Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Of the newer films, I liked The Witch and The Autopsy of Jane Doe. Ha! I really liked those two, as well. The Witch made my personal top ten of its year. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jaragon Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 The main problem I saw in It Follows and The Babadook is that they worked hard to transcend the characteristics of the horror genre to give them a deeper meaning to their stories and, in my opinion, it didn't work. Of the newer films, I liked The Witch and The Autopsy of Jane Doe. I've seen all four films and liked them all for different reasons- " The Autopsy of Jane Doe" is the most surprising and a must see- if you like horror. Link to post Share on other sites
Arsan404 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I've seen all four films and liked them all for different reasons- " The Autopsy of Jane Doe" is the most surprising and a must see- if you like horror. I saw The Autopsy of Jane Doe because you highly recommended it in the Horror thread and I liked it, too. Link to post Share on other sites
jaragon Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 I just saw the bizarre "Love Me Deadly" (1973) a movie about **** starring Lyle Wagoner of all people. He is married to Lindsay ( Mary Charlotte Wilcox) who finds dead guys attractive specially if they remind her of her late father. She joins a cult run by the bisexual mortician Fred (Timothy Scott) who at one point picks up a hustler and embalms him alive. Christopher Stone who would later appear in "The Howling" co-stars. You can see it on you tube. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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