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Vintage Celebrity Scandals--How Would They Fare Today?


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9 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

And don't forget it was a complete no-no to live together without being married. It's completely acceptable today to have children without being married.
Poor Loretta Young, if she were around today she could have just had her baby and gone on with her career.

 

Bette Davis during a interview with Dick Cavett in I think the 1970s talks about how wicked and stupid it was for young women of her era to be brought up to wait until after they were married to have sex with someone they really loved.  While she was definitely in favor of marriage, she believed  that there could be no marriage without sexual compatibility and that an enormous number of marriages ended in divorce because the couples went into them without knowing if the sexual connection was there.

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On another side though, once in an interview with BARBARA WALTERS, crooner BING CROSBY did say he could forgive and not think twice about any of his children smoking pot, and didn't really see anything wrong with the substance, but would NEVER forgive any of them if they chose to live together with anyone before marriage, or ever had premarital sex.  To him, THAT was a bigger sin than getting high.  :unsure:

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I think Lana Turner would again survive the Stompanato shooting (although rumors would persist that she did the stabbing, the same way they do about Princess Stephanie being behind the wheel of the crash that killed Grace Kelly).

I also think that Gloria Grahame's career would not survive her marrying her stepson and having children by both father and son.

I think Hitchcock's career would have ended had the public known about his advances toward Tippi Hedren.

The studio system is a thing of the past, so forcing actresses to have abortions or the horrible treatment of the young Judy Garland will never happen again (I hope).

But what about Joan Crawford's alleged porn movie? Ronald Reagan's alleged seduction of the much-younger Piper Laurie? Hmm...

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Child abuse is taken a lot more seriously nowadays than it was back in the 40's and 50's so it begs the question....would Bing Crosby's and Joan Crawford's careers have survived the allegations of child abuse that their children have made against them? 

I hear Bette Davis' daughter had also written some not so nice things about her mother (though I don't know if they were abuse allegations), and recently Shirley MacLaine's daughter had very little flattery for her mother in her book as well.

It seems to me that Bette's reputation hasn't suffered all THAT much (though it's common gossip she could be one tough cookie and difficult to work with at times) and I have heard very little feedback on what Shirley's child had to say so they would probably be all right.

 

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4 hours ago, Bethluvsfilms said:

Child abuse is taken a lot more seriously nowadays than it was back in the 40's and 50's so it begs the question....would Bing Crosby's and Joan Crawford's careers have survived the allegations of child abuse that their children have made against them? 

I hear Bette Davis' daughter had also written some not so nice things about her mother (though I don't know if they were abuse allegations), and recently Shirley MacLaine's daughter had very little flattery for her mother in her book as well.

It seems to me that Bette's reputation hasn't suffered all THAT much (though it's common gossip she could be one tough cookie and difficult to work with at times) and I have heard very little feedback on what Shirley's child had to say so they would probably be all right.

 

I believe in Bette Davis' daughter's book, she accused Bette and second husband Gary Merrill of being alcoholics.  Hyman, as Bette referred to her, stated that Bette was emotionally abusive, though she did say that she had a happy childhood.  Hyman was upset that her adult relationship with her mother had deteriorated.  Hyman's biggest mistake though was the timing of her book.  She released it just a few years after Mommie Dearest (where I imagine the book and film were still fresh in everyone's minds) and just after her mother had suffered a major stroke and had just endured a mastectomy.  Hyman's book was seen as more abuse toward Bette who was still recovering.  

I believe Shirley MacLaine's daughter accused her of prioritizing her career over her.  

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Bette Davis may not be the best mother in the world but I think her daughter wrote that book strictly for the money. She seemed to bend over backward to make a good life for her children. Her son, Michael, turned out alright and pretty much called the book bunk. 

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7 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

I doubt many folks today would be disturbed by Bob Mitchum blowing a little

weed. Back in '48 it was a big deal, though Bob's career didn't suffer. 

Nowadays he'd be on the cover of High Times.

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On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 6:37 PM, Sepiatone said:

On another side though, once in an interview with BARBARA WALTERS, crooner BING CROSBY did say he could forgive and not think twice about any of his children smoking pot, and didn't really see anything wrong with the substance, but would NEVER forgive any of them if they chose to live together with anyone before marriage, or ever had premarital sex.  To him, THAT was a bigger sin than getting high.  :unsure:

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Didn't Crosby have a few extramarital affairs himself or was the relationship with Grace Kelly just a rumor?

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1 hour ago, Vautrin said:

I doubt many folks today would be disturbed by Bob Mitchum blowing a little

weed. Back in '48 it was a big deal, though Bob's career didn't suffer. 

In a little-known sidebar to this story, a dancer named Vicki Evans was also arrested as part of the group smoking joints. While out on bond, she fled to New York, where she was nabbed and jailed. Some guy claiming to be Robert Mitchum showed up to visit her in jail; the real Mitchum was in California at the time.

"What a jerk," Evans remarked about the imposter. "He looked enough like Bob to be his twin brother, though."

You be the judge:

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8 minutes ago, scsu1975 said:

In a little-known sidebar to this story, a dancer named Vicki Evans was also arrested as part of the group smoking joints. While out on bond, she fled to New York, where she was nabbed and jailed. Some guy claiming to be Robert Mitchum showed up to visit her in jail; the real Mitchum was in California at the time.

"What a jerk," Evans remarked about the imposter. "He looked enough like Bob to be his twin brother, though."

You be the judge:

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I don't know, he kind of looks like a cross between Mitchum and George Raft.

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4 hours ago, scsu1975 said:

In a little-known sidebar to this story, a dancer named Vicki Evans was also arrested as part of the group smoking joints. While out on bond, she fled to New York, where she was nabbed and jailed. Some guy claiming to be Robert Mitchum showed up to visit her in jail; the real Mitchum was in California at the time.

"What a jerk," Evans remarked about the imposter. "He looked enough like Bob to be his twin brother, though."

You be the judge:

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Damn, they really did freeze Walt Disney.

 

There are suspicions that Bob's arrest may have been some kind of

set up, perhaps sacrificing Mitchum so a bigger star went free. I don't

think there's any proof of that, but it's an interesting speculation.

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4 hours ago, scsu1975 said:

In a little-known sidebar to this story, a dancer named Vicki Evans was also arrested as part of the group smoking joints. While out on bond, she fled to New York, where she was nabbed and jailed. Some guy claiming to be Robert Mitchum showed up to visit her in jail; the real Mitchum was in California at the time.

"What a jerk," Evans remarked about the imposter. "He looked enough like Bob to be his twin brother, though."

And now that you've brought up the name Vicki Evans here Rich, as you probably know, there was another woman arrested along with Bob and Vicki at that time...actress Lila Leeds.

And so while Bob's career might not have been affected by the drug bust, Miss Leeds' career went nowhere after it.

(...and so you have to wonder if this was just a case of Bob being a much bigger star at the time causing his weathering the publicity storm afterward, OR perhaps Lila's fall from grace for the same infraction being a case of the old gender double standard?)

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13 hours ago, Vautrin said:

I doubt many folks today would be disturbed by Bob Mitchum blowing a little

weed. Back in '48 it was a big deal, though Bob's career didn't suffer. 

Actually it wasn't until the story was resurfaced that a lot of guys I know who WEREN'T fans of Bob started taking interest. ;)

I always liked to bring up that old story whenever my ex mother in law started her tired harangue about how she believed it was HIPPIES that "invented" marijuana and it's use. :D  And how NObody ever smoked pot before the "summer of love".  :rolleyes:

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17 hours ago, HelenBaby2 said:

Bette Davis may not be the best mother in the world but I think her daughter wrote that book strictly for the money. She seemed to bend over backward to make a good life for her children. Her son, Michael, turned out alright and pretty much called the book bunk. 

I agree.  From all accounts I've read, it sounds like Hyman thought she'd do a Mommie Dearest-esque book like Christina Crawford did.  I am sure Hyman was offered an advance by the publishing company for it.  In Bette's second memoir, This N' That, she wrote a scathing response to Hyman.  I believe Bette also omitted Hyman and her daughter Margo from her will. I think Bette's son and assistant, Kathryn Sermak, inherited her whole estate. Speaking of Bette's assistant, Sermak released a memoir, Miss D & Me, about her time working with Bette.  I think this book looks very interesting and I look forward to getting a copy of it at the library.

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15 hours ago, rosebette said:

Didn't Crosby have a few extramarital affairs himself or was the relationship with Grace Kelly just a rumor?

I've read this too.  Not sure if it's true.  I've read multiple accounts stating that Grace Kelly was a bit of a loose woman too, but I am not sure if this is true.

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11 hours ago, Dargo said:

And now that you've brought up the name Vicki Evans here Rich, as you probably know, there was another woman arrested along with Bob and Vicki at that time...actress Lila Leeds.

And so while Bob's career might not have been affected by the drug bust, Miss Leeds' career went nowhere after it.

(...and so you have to wonder if this was just a case of Bob being a much bigger star at the time causing his weathering the publicity storm afterward, OR perhaps Lila's fall from grace for the same infraction being a case of the old gender double standard?)

We had a discussion of Ms. Leeds awhile back and I posted this tidbit:

Four months after being busted with Mitchum, Lila Leeds was back in court, paying off a $5 fine for jaywalking. L. A. Police told the presiding judge that Leeds had tied traffic in a knot, walking across Wilshire Boulevard wearing a white turtleneck top, red plaid skirt, and red shoes. "I don't remember a thing," said Leeds, "except a lot of whistles, shouts, and horns blowing. I guess I'm guilty though."

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3 hours ago, speedracer5 said:

Speaking of Bette's assistant, Sermak released a memoir, Miss D & Me, about her time working with Bette.  I think this book looks very interesting and I look forward to getting a copy of it at the library.

I recently picked up this book but unfortunately I couldn't get through it.  The writing was flat, though it's hard to believe you could ever get bored reading about Bette Davis.  Anyway, Sermak talked at length about how Hyman's book devastated her (Davis).

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1 hour ago, EugeniaH said:

I recently picked up this book but unfortunately I couldn't get through it.  The writing was flat, though it's hard to believe you could ever get bored reading about Bette Davis.  Anyway, Sermak talked at length about how Hyman's book devastated her (Davis).

It's a shame that a book about such an interesting person, and especially being a personal assistant to said interesting person could result in flat writing! I'll have to see for myself whenever I pick it up at the library.

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10 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

Actually it wasn't until the story was resurfaced that a lot of guys I know who WEREN'T fans of Bob started taking interest. ;)

I always liked to bring up that old story whenever my ex mother in law started her tired harangue about how she believed it was HIPPIES that "invented" marijuana and it's use. :D  And how NObody ever smoked pot before the "summer of love".  :rolleyes:

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Do Mitchum that joint, maybe. I can't recall when I read that Mitchum was busted

for pot. That was pretty unusual back then. Yes, some people were smoking weed

back in the 1940s, but it wasn't as widespread as it became in the 1960s. I'll wager

a lot of these oldsters were just jealous. 

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I'll see that and raise.

My Mom once "fessed up" that her generation was more into it than they later liked to admit.  She told me she even broke a date with a guy she liked in high school when she found out he used and sometimes sold "gage". ;)

Louis Armstrong was a regular user since before he left New Orleans and launched his decdes long career.  Was legend that he kept smoking it until the day he died.  Plus, it's been often claimed that all those Big Band "Hep Cats" that my Mom's generation grooved on and danced to all night long partook in it too.  Even have been claims that "In The Mood" was an early drug reference. ;)

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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

I'll see that and raise.

My Mom once "fessed up" that her generation was more into it than they later liked to admit.  She told me she even broke a date with a guy she liked in high school when she found out he used and sometimes sold "gage". ;)

Louis Armstrong was a regular user since before he left New Orleans and launched his decdes long career.  Was legend that he kept smoking it until the day he died.  Plus, it's been often claimed that all those Big Band "Hep Cats" that my Mom's generation grooved on and danced to all night long partook in it too.  Even have been claims that "In The Mood" was an early drug reference. ;)

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I remember reading about Armstrong's long term reefer madness. That was a bit of a

surprise because Armstrong was sort of an unofficial establishment type for much of

his later career. Old Louis wouldn't smoke dope just like all those hippies did, now would

he? Yes, I would guess that a lot of the musicians of the time smoked weed. especially given

their late night life styles. I still believe that some parents of the baby boomers were a bit

jealous of the drugs they didn't take and the sex they didn't have back in the day. But

at least some of them had to pretend they wouldn't do those things themselves.

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