The Annual FrankGrimes Torture Thread

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}*william holden was cute.*

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> He was?

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> I thought he was very likable in *The Country Girl*. This is actually another film where the woman he loves chooses another.

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yes, and in each case he was involved with the actress.

 

 

what did you like about rebel? i liked it as a kid, but now i can't stand all the whining and seeing jim backus in that apron.

[JackFavell]

I was going to write that I am very up and down about Rebel, I have to be in the mood for all that torture. The acting is excellent, but I don't always want to see it. Sometimes it seems too much of a polemic on adulthood.

[movieman1957]

"Rebel" is playing on the big screen Saturday morning. The Bride wants to go so maybe I can give a decent comment on it.

 

She told me to tell someone the plot. I couldn't remember much more than a "coming-of-age" trip for a group of teens. Angst reigns.

 

Good acting. I recall Jim Backus was quite good in a role that was not at all glamorous.

[CineMaven]

*she was tired of the low heels and dowdy skirts. no wonder she only played "princesses" after that. "Okay, i proved i could act and got my Oscar. Now back to furs and diamonds."*

 

THAT made me laugh *OUT* loud, Miss G. Haaaaa!

[FrankGrimes]

*yes, and in each case he was involved with the actress.*

 

How in the world do you know this stuff?

 

*what did you like about rebel? i liked it as a kid, but now i can't stand all the whining and seeing jim backus in that apron.*

 

 

Yeah, I can see this film not being to your liking, especially today.

 

 

What I loved was Nicholas Ray's attack on the 50s parent. His attacks ring even more true this day. I was amazed to see that. The film is way ahead of its time. It certainly set the groundwork for a film like *The Breakfast Club*.

 

 

I really loved the message of the film, how parents can help to create the loneliness and issues of their children. It's really laid out, here. And when you add in Ray's *Bigger than Life* to *Rebel Without a Cause*, you've got a strong indictment of the 50s parent.

 

 

[FrankGrimes]

Hola, Spunky -- *I was going to write that I am very up and down about Rebel, I have to be in the mood for all that torture.*

 

I can completely understand that. It really is a pained kind of watch. It's not a fun and relaxing film.

 

*The acting is excellent, but I don't always want to see it. Sometimes it seems too much of a polemic on adulthood.*

 

 

I'd say a polemic on the 50s parent.

 

 

*I really loved MTV at the beginning. I can remember the first time I saw it. We went to a friends house, and they had it on, and everyone gathered to watch the videos.*

 

 

That's awesome! I was just getting into music when MTV hit the airwaves and the channel really pushed me more into music. It was such a revolutionary channel, ala TCM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*I am not sure. I remember getting the Beatles blue and red albums early on, but I don't think I bought them myself. I remember my first 45's, I think I was about ten:*

 

 

*Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues - Danny O'Keefe*

*Lean on Me - Bill Withers*

*I'll Take You There - The Staple Singers*

*Cher - Gypsies Tramps and Thieves (but I bought it for the B side, He'll Never Know)*

*Alone Again Naturally - Gilbert O' Sullivan*

*Everybody Plays the Fool - The Main Ingredient*

*Brand New Key - Melanie*

*I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash*

*Black and White - Three Dog Night*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What an interesting list! There's some real "biggies" on that list. I'm going to seek the others out on YouTube and see if I like them. And, ironically, today, YouTube is the revolutionary "channel."

 

 

*I got all my sister's hand me down records. I had very few of my own. There was a Roberta Flack one I know I got for my birthday one year. I was a real geek and had oddball things like a collection of THE MARX BROS. comedy skits from their movies, and my parents cast off broadway albums full of showtunes. I believe I begged for a John Denver greatest hits album one year and wore it out.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Broadway show tunes and John Denver?! What?! Actually, I can see you being all about Broadway since you were in theater. But John Denver? How did he sneak in there?

 

 

*I don't think I really bought my own albums until much much later. I remember saving up for London Calling by The Clash and Elvis Costello's Punch the Clock. They may have been the first albums I ever bought myself.*

 

 

So you liked the beginning of the second British invasion. I prefer The Clash to Costello.

 

 

*Here's how I like the ones I've seen. The first two were really tough for me to choose between - But I give it to Zenda because I saw it first and it has such nostalgia attached:*

 

 

*1. Prisoner of Zenda*

*2. Hold Back the Dawn*

*3. Vacation from a Marriage*

*4. Bullets or Ballots*

*5. The Parent Trap*

*6. Reap the Wild Wind*

*7. The Baron of Arizona*

*8. The Unsuspected*

*9. The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle*

*10. Virginia City*

*11. Rebel Without a Cause*

*12. Assault on a Queen*

*13. Term of Trial*

*14. Ryan's Daughter*

*15. The Greatest Show on Earth*

*16. Cash McCall*

*17. The Country Girl*

*18. Boomerang!*

*19. Black Widow*

*20. The Girl from Missouri*

*21. Perfect Strangers*

 

 

Awesome! I'm excited to see you rank the films. I know that doesn't come naturally to you. I liked most of your suggestions to me in this group. I'm curious to hear what you and Miss G say about *The Parent Trap*. I found the twin stuff to be annoying. I'm also interested to hear why *The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle* rates fairly well.

 

 

*My favorite brunette I remember liking a lot, but I haven't any memory of the actual movie.*

 

 

I thought it was quite good. The film has some depth. There's good star power and a decent story.

[FrankGrimes]

*This is why a lot of guys listened to Herb Alpert.*

 

Oh! So Quiet Gal had his albums to seduce men! That seductress!

 

*I've seen 19.*

 

That's a really good showing. It also tells you how far I'm behind. All of those films were my first viewings.

 

*A bunch of them have been a long time ago. One I really liked and was surprised about was "The Killer Is Loose." Pretty tense and compact.*

 

 

You're right, the film does feature good tension and it really is compact. I was into for the first half, but the second half was a letdown, for me. There was a creepy vibe to it, though. A little bit of "*Psycho*."

 

*"Boomerang," Term of Trial," "Rebel Without A Cause" are among the best.*

 

What do you like about them?

 

*I like "As Young As You Feel."*

 

I was surprised by it. I didn't expect to like it, but I did. Monty Woolley is wonderful in the film. It's a funny, sweet film with a nice message.

 

*"Prisoner Of Zenda" is pretty good but I think Ronald Colman is terrific anyway.*

 

I do like Ronald Colman, but it took me a while to get into the film. The ending is quite good, so I came away liking it. The supporting cast really boosts the picture, for me.

 

*Didn't care much for "Legend Of The Lost" but all the others are pretty much good viewing.*

 

I liked *Legend of the Lost*. It's such a different kind of film for John Wayne. I thought he was really good. Loved Sophia Loren. She has an "Ava Gardner" vibe in it, which I loved. I also liked Rossano Brazzi. The film is basically *King Solomon's Mines*, but I thought it had the deeper conflict.

[Bronxgirl48]

There's only one role I associate Irving Pichel with, and that's Gloria Holden's ghoul assistant Sandor in DRACULA'S DAUGHTER.

 

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[movieman1957]

Hi Sir Francis:

 

Mostly of the three films I like the performances. Olivier I think is terrific in "Term Of Trial." There are plenty of boy's school dramas but he's good to watch.

 

 

I recall "Boomerang" being a pretty tough drama. I recall it being an unusual murder case but this is all on memory.

 

 

"Rebel" has a great cast. I like Backus. I'll admit I never had the grief, or anywhere near they have, but there is a lot of talent in the picture.

 

 

I like Monty Wooley too. Since it is early Chayefsky it is not as preachy as some of his later scripts and thus makes a good point more gently.

 

 

You're only behind me in those viewings because I'm old. No hurry to catch up.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}*yes, and in each case he was involved with the actress.*

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> How in the world do you know this stuff?

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i remember holden talking about his love affairs on johnny carson, and of course i read biographies.

 

> What I loved was Nicholas Ray's attack on the 50s parent. His attacks ring even more true this day. I was amazed to see that. The film is way ahead of its time. It certainly set the groundwork for a film like *The Breakfast Club*.

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> I really loved the message of the film, how parents can help to create the loneliness and issues of their children. It's really laid out, here. And when you add in Ray's *Bigger than Life* to *Rebel Without a Cause*, you've got a strong indictment of the 50s parent.

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i agree with all you and jackie say. it's very powerful and poignant, and drives its point home in a way that resonates till today.

 

going back to your question for jackie about *the story of vernon and irene castle*, for me the movie was a surprise. i'll never forget the first time i saw it, back when i was so in love with the fred-and-ginger musicals. at first it seemed rather plodding and as jackie said, you can feel that they are ready to move on.

 

SPOILER!

 

Then the ending, with Fred dying, totally shocked me. I wasn't prepared at all for anything like that in one of their movies. Somehow, because I knew it was their last film together for many years, and really their "last" film of that whole series of wonderful, magical black-and-white fantasies they created which lifted people out of their cares, somehow that made the impact of Fred's character dying much stronger. It was their partnership and the era, dying. And it was a war that killed it (him). I was very moved by it and because of this movie ranked higher than it would otherwise.

[FrankGrimes]

Hey there, Movieman -- *Mostly of the three films I like the performances. Olivier I think is terrific in "Term Of Trial." There are plenty of boy's school dramas but he's good to watch.*

 

You're right, Olivier does turn in a strong performance in *Term of Trial*. He's very believable as the mousey teacher. I thought the film was very solid, but I prefer *Personal Affair*.

 

*I recall "Boomerang" being a pretty tough drama. I recall it being an unusual murder case but this is all on memory.*

 

 

I'd say those descriptions are fair and accurate. What I liked most was that it was based on a true case. But I usually struggle with courtroom films unless they are very well done, and I thought this one fell short of that criteria. I didn't find the drama in the film to be all that compelling.

 

 

*"Rebel" has a great cast. I like Backus. I'll admit I never had the grief, or anywhere near they have, but there is a lot of talent in the picture.*

 

 

I loved seeing what was behind their grief. Jim (James Dean) is constantly being moved by his family, which places him in a serious spot. He cannot develop any real relationships for this reason, so he finds himself as a lonely outsider. This is a parental creation. Jim is also frustrated with his mother and grandmother dominating his father. He desperately wants his father to show some backbone.

 

 

Judy (Natalie Wood) is seeking male love since her father has started to push her away. She's no longer his "little girl" and this has created a serious void in her life. When a daughter doesn't feel the love of her father, it can become a dangerous situation.

 

 

Plato (Sal Mineo) is the saddest case of them all. His parents have completely abandoned him. He's being raised by a caretaker. This places him in a desperate situation, feeling unloved and in need of any kind of love and attention. Despite being in high school, he's very much a child.

 

 

Sadly, I feel today's society is far worse than that of the 50s. You're going to find more and more kids who are seeking love and attention. It's such a needy world we live in.

 

*I like Monty Wooley too. Since it is early Chayefsky it is not as preachy as some of his later scripts and thus makes a good point more gently.*

 

Nicely said. It really is a sweet and gentle film about a topic that is rarely presented as entertainment in film.

*You're only behind me in those viewings because I'm old. No hurry to catch up.*

 

 

So that's why Miss G has seen more than me! :p

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FrankGrimes]

How do, Denver -- *Hola, Everard!*

 

I have forgotten who that is a reference of!

 

 

 

*On the other hand, I'll watch They Live By Night any time it's on. Usually with Rebel, I get sucked into it by the force of the acting. I don't sit down to watch on purpose. It will be on in the other room, and suddenly I have to sit down in front of the tv. James Dean is really an amazing actor. And Backus. And Ann Doran. Out of a cast of really good actors.*

 

I feel *They Live by Night* is a romance. It's about trying to find a place to settle down and be a family in a world that won't allow such a thing. *Rebel Without a Cause* is more about friendship, although the theme of finding a place in a disagreeable world is exactly the same as *They Live by Night*. Ahhhhh, Nick Ray.

 

 

 

*Absolutely. And as you say, the choices they make are still with us, maybe even more so. Very modern. I used to SO identify with the kids. Now I identify with the adults. Which explains why I don't watch it too often. *

 

So you've got your husband wearing an apron? I do see the film as the original "*The Breakfast Club*." What a groundbreaking film.

 

*It was so exciting back then.*

 

It really was. To combine popular music with visuals was genius.

 

 

 

*I was totally into AM radio.*

 

I didn't think I'd ever read that!

 

*This was before I got radicalized by music. I think they are really funny choices. I had only just discovered rock and roll and my tastes still ran to the showtune type of music my parents liked. I really liked a story behind my music, like the singer was taking on a character.*

 

I can see that being completely you. I'm actually the opposite. I hardly ever know the lyrics to songs but I can tell you how the track plays musically. This is why my favorite songs are the ones with the sounds I like. And I love uptempo, dance music. This is why I like disco, 80s pop, and then rap. That's the genesis of the dance music during my time.

 

The 70s is one of the greatest decades for songwriters, so you grew up in the right time. I do like songs that tell a story. It's what I really like about Rupert Holmes. I like Kenny Rogers because many of his songs tell stories.

 

*I'll Take You There is still a huge favorite for me, though I could listen to any of these songs except the Cher one now and get a kick out of them. I don't know where the Cher one came from.*

 

I do like "I'll Take You There." That's a terrific song. I became familiar with Sonny & Cher while watching their show on TV Land in the 90s.

 

*I just loved him! I still think he has one of the nicest voices of anyone at that time. It was so evocative of country life. There was no one like him. My favorites were Country Roads, I'm Sorry, Annie's Song, Starwood in Aspen, Sunshine, and Follow Me. His songs are simple, makes you feel like you are in the country on a sunny day.*

 

I completely agree. John Denver was a very unique voice in a very mixed music scene in the 70s. I think it's the most eclectic time for music. I do find Denver's songs to be rather soothing.

 

*Yes, I was really heavily into the Clash, from there I got into all the other punk groups but no one was as good as The Clash for me. They were just GREAT musicians, as well as having a message of real importance. The New Wave stuff was also very interesting at that time - it opened music outward to encompass very different sounds. Elvis C. is the best songwriter! Brilliant. He's kind of like the Rebel Without a Cause or Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf of songwriting, his songs are bitter and all about twisted relationships. Beauty and ungliness live side by side in his songs.*

 

To be honest, I only knew of Costello because of a few songs, ones I wasn't that crazy about. The songs were "Everyday I Write the Book" and "Veronica." I didn't like the sound of either of those songs. And I wasn't crazy about his voice. I thought he was "whiny." I'm more open to his sound and style today. And heck if I knew what he sang about! Complete ignorance.

 

For me, The Clash was "Rock the Casbah." Yeah, I'm one of those types. The true fans of The Clash knew them for London Calling, but I was just an 80s pop boy. But I also liked "Should I Say or Should I Go" and "Train in Vain."

 

*I love The Parent Trap! I actually only saw it for the first time a couple of years ago.*

 

Are you kidding me? Really? I would have thought you had seen it a few times long before.

 

*I like the two lifestyles, and Hayley Mills is good enough to make you believe her as two different kids. I honestly don't know why I love it so much. I even like the newer version. I think it might be a girl thing. It's like trying on clothes - here you try on a new life. *

 

I am finding women do tend to value the new. The film reminded me of *My Favorite Wife*. It's just we spend most of the time with Hayley Mills. That was the issue with me. I do agree, she's great in the film, it's just I don't find the kiddie stuff appealing. I was hoping Maureen O'Hara would bring some life and energy to the film, but she didn't do that for me. She was reserved.

 

*It's funny. The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle only lands high on the list for me because it's Fred and Ginger. You picked the movie that moved around on my list the most in ranking. At first it was much further down, but I realized that I like the romanticism of it. In masking their own styles, it takes away somewhat from the charm of Fred and Ginger themselves. You can tell they are tired. It feels like a swan song... which isn't necessarily bad. And there is that ending... through the window, dancing.....and it's very sad. So the romantic in me likes it. but as far as their movies go, it's second to last.*

 

That was sweet. You certainly clarified some things for me. I didn't have the "swan song" feelings in mind, like you did. I just watched the film as any other film. That's why it didn't register as strongly to me. I thought it lacked in so many areas. But what you wrote is pretty much the same as I did with *Love Happy*, so I completely understand where you are coming from.

 

*I remember it being very good. I think for me, it was the closest to the Bing and Bob movies, without Bing.*

 

I can see that. The film is basically Bob Hope's "*The Maltese Falcon*." Dorothy Lamour is rather lovely in the picture playing "Brigid O'Shaughnessy." I liked Lon Chaney Jr.'s "big oaf." And Peter Lorre is sensational. He adds so much to the picture. Love the cameos.

[FrankGrimes]

Bonjour, Miss Gun for Hire -- *i remember holden talking about his love affairs on johnny carson, and of course i read biographies.*

 

I can't believe he'd kiss and tell on Carson!

 

 

 

*going back to your question for jackie about the story of vernon and irene castle, for me the movie was a surprise. i'll never forget the first time i saw it, back when i was so in love with the fred-and-ginger musicals. at first it seemed rather plodding and as jackie said, you can feel that they are ready to move on.*

 

Oh, I don't blame them as much as the script. There's not much to it. I liked Edna May more than Fred and Ginger. Walter Brennan seemed out of place.

 

*SPOILER!*

 

*Then the ending, with Fred dying, totally shocked me. I wasn't prepared at all for anything like that in one of their movies. Somehow, because I knew it was their last film together for many years, and really their "last" film of that whole series of wonderful, magical black-and-white fantasies they created which lifted people out of their cares, somehow that made the impact of Fred's character dying much stronger. It was their partnership and the era, dying. And it was a war that killed it (him). I was very moved by it and because of this movie ranked higher than it would otherwise.*

 

That was very lovely. You and Jackie are on the same page, projecting an overall feeling of a career collaboration onto the picture. That makes perfect sense to me. I had similar feelings with Alfred Hitchcock and *Family Plot*, particularly the ending.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}Bonjour, Miss Gun for Hire -- *i remember holden talking about his love affairs on johnny carson, and of course i read biographies.*

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> I can't believe he'd kiss and tell on Carson!

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his appearance is actually among my most vivid Carson memories. i remember johnny asking him who was the love of his life and he told him it was Audrey. i hope Stefanie wasn't watching! i think he died not long after that.

 

> Oh, I don't blame them as much as the script. There's not much to it. I liked Edna May more than Fred and Ginger. Walter Brennan seemed out of place.

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i don't remember Edna May at all in it, and Walter only vaguely. Neither are typical Astaire-Rogers supporting characters.

 

what about *Ryan's Daughter*, you seemed to like it fairly well. another looooong movie. and they opposite of a movie like *the quiet man*.

[FrankGrimes]

*his appearance is actually among my most vivid Carson memories. i remember johnny asking him who was the love of his life and he told him it was Audrey. i hope Stefanie wasn't watching! i think he died not long after that.*

 

That's quite a memory! I was at the Boar's Nest back then!

 

*i don't remember Edna May at all in it, and Walter only vaguely. Neither are typical Astaire-Rogers supporting characters.*

 

Edna May was the woman who helped to give the Castles their big break. She ends up being chummy with them. Walter plays Ginger's uncle in the film. He also joins the military with Fred.

 

*what about Ryan's Daughter, you seemed to like it fairly well. another looooong movie. and they opposite of a movie like the quiet man.*

 

You're right, it's definitely the opposite of *The Quiet Man*. More David Lean adultery!

 

And you're also right, I did like it quite a bit. The setting is just wonderful. It's such a lovely looking film. I also really liked the performers and their performances. Trevor Howard and John Mills are magnificent.

 

I think the story is very interesting. Mature love vs. youthful love. Rosy (Sarah Miles) has a schoolgirl crush, but such a love can only go so far. Charles (Robert Mitchum) has an uneasy feeling about Rosy's "love" for him, but he gives in. His reservations prove to be right. The kind of life he leads is one Rosy doesn't wish to lead. She longs for passion. Charles is steady and dependable but boring and unfulfilling with the physical. Rosy is leading the life of an "old woman."

 

The hardest part of love is often understanding ourselves. We love to lie to ourselves. Charles was honest to start, but he wanted to believe the lie.

 

Boy, Lean really does capture so many emotions in his films.

 

The revolutionary aspect of the film reminded me of *Doctor Zhivago*.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}*his appearance is actually among my most vivid Carson memories. i remember johnny asking him who was the love of his life and he told him it was Audrey. i hope Stefanie wasn't watching! i think he died not long after that.*

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> That's quite a memory! I was at the Boar's Nest back then!

>

 

what is that?

 

> You're right, it's definitely the opposite of *The Quiet Man*. More David Lean adultery!

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> And you're also right, I did like it quite a bit. The setting is just wonderful. It's such a lovely looking film. I also really liked the performers and their performances. Trevor Howard and John Mills are magnificent.

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they really are; i was most impressed with them. have you seen the documentary about its making? was it included with the DVD?

 

> I think the story is very interesting. Mature love vs. youthful love. Rosy (Sarah Miles) has a schoolgirl crush, but such a love can only go so far. Charles (Robert Mitchum) has an uneasy feeling about Rosy's "love" for him, but he gives in. His reservations prove to be right. The kind of life he leads is one Rosy doesn't wish to lead. She longs for passion. Charles is steady and dependable but boring and unfulfilling with the physical. Rosy is leading the life of an "old woman."

>

 

it all reminded me of "madame bovary", which i believe inspired the script. charles is a lot like "ashley", as well.

 

like zhivago, there is the pull between reality of relationships and romantic ideals. you can also see that in "summertime".

 

 

> Boy, Lean really does capture so many emotions in his films.

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indeed and he's so visually epic in style...it's rare to see the two combined.

 

> The revolutionary aspect of the film reminded me of *Doctor Zhivago*.

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i have forgotten that part; i don't remember much IRA stuff in it.

[SansFin]

I hope that all here will watch *La Femme Nikita* (1990) on tomorrow night.

 

I fear that many may reject watching it because of its genre. It rises above its genre and it is a story of transformation and redemption.

 

It stars Anne Parillaud and she won several major awards for her performance.

 

I have made a separate thread on the main board for it:

http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=168761&tstart=15

 

It is distress for me when I know of a wonderful movie and then a person will say: "I do not watch movies like that".

[rohanaka]

HELLLOOOOOOOOO there my DEAR Grey Dude

 

 

 

It's like The Brady Bunch, just set in the west

 

 

 

Ha.. well I have NO idea now what to think of THAT?? ha. So who plays ALICE???????

 

 

 

You're throwing the universe out of whack

 

 

 

It's what I do.

 

 

 

I think it's because you associate more with the character actresses. That's where you see more of yourself. The leads are not "you

 

 

 

I am sure you are right. That is very true. (ha.. I think just like to channel my inner Jane Darwell sometimes)

 

 

 

And speaking of actresses.. I have not seen too many on your latest list.. only a few. Will have to look at it a bit more closely before I can comment too much. But I am interested in hearing about your Lambie.. in The Country Girl. I have heard that is not your "typical" Grace sort of role for her.

 

 

 

Meanwhile..

 

 

 

Herb Alpert?! What?! What in the wide, wide world of sports is going around here?! Now I'm completely stunned. I "get" Dan Fogelberg, but Herb Alpert

 

 

 

What?? I can't like a good trumpet song now and then too?? ha. I am not too huge a fan I confess.. but that album (Rise) is actually not so "Tijuana Brass-ish". I really do like some of the songs on there.

 

 

 

Oh! So Quiet Gal had his albums to seduce men! That seductress

 

 

 

Ha.. yeah.. that's me.. to a T! In a very.. oh so very.. "JANE DARWELL-ish sort of way.

[FrankGrimes]

How do, Ma Stone! -- *It's like The Brady Bunch, just set in the west*

 

 

 

 

*Ha.. well I have NO idea now what to think of THAT?? ha. So who plays ALICE??????? *

 

 

Robert Ryan! He has a difficult time trying to keep the kids and Tiger straight.

 

 

 

 

 

*You're throwing the universe out of whack*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*It's what I do. *

 

 

Among other things!

 

 

 

 

*I am sure you are right. That is very true. (ha.. I think just like to channel my inner Jane Darwell sometimes) *

 

I believe so!

*And speaking of actresses.. I have not seen too many on your latest list.. only a few. Will have to look at it a bit more closely before I can comment too much. But I am interested in hearing about your Lambie.. in The Country Girl. I have heard that is not your "typical" Grace sort of role for her.*

 

 

She's a darling Lamby in *The Country Girl*. After mentioning films about marriage about a month ago, I seem to be running into some decent ones. This is a good one. The focus is on the wife.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Meanwhile..*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Herb Alpert?! What?! What in the wide, wide world of sports is going around here?! Now I'm completely stunned. I "get" Dan Fogelberg, but Herb Alpert*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*What?? I can't like a good trumpet song now and then too?? ha. I am not too huge a fan I confess.. but that album (Rise) is actually not so "Tijuana Brass-ish". I really do like some of the songs on there.*

 

 

Who knew?! I do like some of Herb Alpert's work, too.

 

 

 

 

 

*Oh! So Quiet Gal had his albums to seduce men! That seductress*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Ha.. yeah.. that's me.. to a T! In a very.. oh so very.. "JANE DARWELL-ish sort of way. *

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HA! Happy Easter, White Hat!

 

We played this in band:

 

 

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*HA! Happy Easter, White Hat!*

 

Happy Easter to you, Spunky! My family Easter was yesterday, that's why I'm around today. What's your excuse?

 

*We played this in band:*

 

And what instrument did you play?

 

That music reminds me of the 70s game shows. I mostly like it.

[FrankGrimes]

Hola, Snippy! -- Do you have me on "Ignore"... again?!

 

*what is that?*

 

 

I thought you were a waitress there back in Texas!

 

 

*they really are; i was most impressed with them. have you seen the documentary about its making? was it included with the DVD?*

 

 

Yes, the DVD for *Ryan's Daughter* is two discs. It's a rather expensive DVD. I haven't watched any of the extras. Do you wish me to watch them?

 

So has *Ryan's Daughter* improved with viewings with you? What are your thoughts on the film?

 

*it all reminded me of "madame bovary", which i believe inspired the script. charles is a lot like "ashley", as well.*

 

 

Very good! That's a terrific comparison. The schoolgirl matures while her crush ages.

 

*like zhivago, there is the pull between reality of relationships and romantic ideals. you can also see that in "summertime".*

 

You're very correct about that. I think that's the nexus of Lean's works. *Brief Encounter* and *The Passionate Friends* features this, as well. It seems to me that romantic ideals are simply flavors. You may have a favorite flavor, but the need to sample other flavors is a pull so many struggle with. And is your favorite flavor going to be the same at age 17 as it is at 27 and 37 and 47... This is where the unadventurous and lazy end up being "loyal." It's a byproduct of those characteristics. The unadventurous are typically okay with the adventurous, but the adventurous usually have issues with the unadventurous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*indeed and he's so visually epic in style...it's rare to see the two combined.*

 

That's an excellent point. I tend to associate epic with emotionally distant.

 

 

 

 

*i have forgotten that part; i don't remember much IRA stuff in it.*

 

Doryan (Christopher Jones) and his troops capture the shipment of weapons meant for the IRA rebels. The town then accuses Charles (Robert Mitchum) and Rosy (Sarah Miles) for the sabotage, thus making them outcasts.