The Annual FrankGrimes Torture Thread

[FrankGrimes]

Happy Easter to you, Bronxie!

[rohanaka]

 

HELLO there Miss B!!

 

 

Ha.. that's is QUITE picture of the Duke.

 

 

Here.. one good bunny pic, deserves another.

 

 

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd114/halcyonpoet/easter.jpg

 

 

PS: Miss Jackie.. here is how "up" I am on Herb Alpert.. I have heard that song LOTS of times in my lonnnnggggg life.. ha. but I never realized it was one of his! ha. Way fun for a band song, I'll bet!

 

 

[rohanaka]

Well helllllooo there Jabez.

 

 

 

Robert Ryan! He has a difficult time trying to keep the kids and Tiger straight

 

 

 

Oh great. Ha.. now I am going to have to fight to get the mental image of RR in white shoes and an apron OUT of my head.

 

 

 

She's a darling Lamby in *The Country Girl*. After mentioning films about marriage about a month ago, I seem to be running into some decent ones. This is a good one. The focus is on the wife

 

 

 

Yes, but I thought she wasn't so "darling" in this one.. maybe I have it wrong.. or MAYBE you are just leading me astray. ha. I will have to check into it.

 

 

 

Who knew?! I do like some of Herb Alpert's work, too

 

 

 

 

Well I am not a HUGE Herb Alpert fan.. ha.. but you wouldn't know it from the way we've been carrying ON here.. ha. I just do like some of his music. I only had that one album of his.. and I really did enjoy it a lot. I wouldn't read TOO much into, though. ha.. because that was ONE album out of about 50 or so.. and it is more likely you could say my musical tastes were pretty much all over the map. ha.

 

 

Its been a long time since I listened to much of any sort of music other than my bluegrass. ha. (now THAT would be more of my Ma Stone sort of speed, for sure, ha) But I do still enjoy going down memory lane now and then. This weekend on the trip up to see my folks we pulled out an OLD favorite.. now Herb Alpert I like.. but THESE guys.. I L-O-V-E love.

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imoTU8KMkGg

 

 

 

Oh.. and hey.. you have me pictured JUST about right.. except when I do my Herb Alpert "partying" I like to dress up a bit nicer:

 

 

 

You have NO idea how hard it is to find something festive shopping in the Jane Darwell Collection at Sears. ha. Fortunately.. I look good in black.

 

 

 

http://www.cornel1801.com/1/g/GONE_WITH_THE_WIND/characters/Jane_Darwell_as_Mrs_Merriwether.jpg

[rohanaka]

OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And PS: Grey Dude.. I caught the last half of your friend Cary Granite's Mr. Lucky movie last night. Wow, I need to see that one all the way through sometime. I really liked what I saw. (but ha.. big spoiler arlert: don't fall over.. I think it would have been better if they ending had been different note.. with him leaving her like he ALMOST does.. or with him "GONE" like he NEARLY was if he had not made it, ha. Either way.. I think the ending would have been a better way to wrap it up rather than the way it DID end. (I KNOW.. go figure... so very UNlike me, isn't it?? ha. I did say don't fall down! ha) Still.. I did like the way it ended. ha. (silly me.. just trying to have it both ways)

[JackFavell]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}

> Happy Easter to you, Spunky! My family Easter was yesterday, that's why I'm around today. What's your excuse?

 

Ah, i had a moment of relative peace while the dinner was cooking....that's why it took me 3 hours to get back to you! We just finished eating. It was a nice dinner, nothing too difficult to cook.

 

> And what instrument did you play?

 

>PS: Miss Jackie.. here is how "up" I am on Herb Alpert.. I have heard that song LOTS of times in my lonnnnggggg life.. ha. but I never realized it was one of his! ha. Way fun for a band song, I'll bet!

 

Oh lordy, I was a real band geek... I played oboe. At basketball games I could either play oboe or sax. They have the same fingering. For marching band, because the oboe has an open reed that would break off in your mouth if you jostled it, they made me play the celeste or for a while I did flag core.

 

We were all such geeks we actually thought Tijuana Taxi was cool. We played that one mostly at basketball games.

 

> That music reminds me of the 70s game shows. I mostly like it.

 

It DOES sound like game shows! That's funny! I like it unabashedly. It just reminds me of childhood, it's happy and just so kicky.

 

Ro - re: Mr. Lucky... NOOOOOOO! I love the ending(s)! I think they couldn't decide where to end it.... or maybe they got audience preview feedback and decided to make a 'happy ending' but I think they did it just right, even as they were trying to hedge their bets. but I do see what you mean. I don't think I could stand it if he had not made it.

[JackFavell]

Oh btw, Goddess and Frank, I just got Ryan's Daughter in the mail, both discs for rental, but I haven't watched yet. I hope to tomorrow.

[rohanaka]

 

HELLO there Ms. Favell,

 

 

Ro - re: Mr. Lucky... NOOOOOOO! I love the ending(s)! I think they couldn't decide where to end it.... or maybe they got audience preview feedback and decided to make a 'happy ending' but I think they did it just right, even as they were trying to hedge their bets. but I do see what you mean. I don't think I could stand it if he had not made it

 

 

HUGE mega, giant.. enormous Mr. Lucky SPOILER alert:

 

 

I was VERY relieved when it turned out he DID make it.. but I really like how he left.. and I was all content in the way it went down.. and then the guy shows up w/ the COIN toss. ha. And yet.. I do confess, the way it all played out finally was NOT a disappointing way to go. I just thought it was more emotional for me when I did not think he would be coming back.. (I know.. so very UN me to say that.. ha. The Grey Dude is falling over again.. because I didn't warn him again this time to not fall over at that one.. ha)

 

 

Oh lordy, I was a real band geek... I played oboe. At basketball games I could either play oboe or sax. They have the same fingering. For marching band, because the oboe has an open reed that would break off in your mouth if you jostled it, they made me play the celeste or for a while I did flag core

 

 

OH me oh MY we really ARE long lost sisters. ha. I was the queen of all band geeks. ha. I played Clarinet 5th-10th grade.. but then we had too many clarinets and our band director took volunteers for other intstruments. I ended up playing Tenor Sax.. loved it!!! (but a LOT harder to carry home on a school bus, I assure you, ha)

 

 

Marching band season (ha.. or what MOST people call FOOTBALL season) was just about my favorite time of year. (except we were in Kentucky and it was HOT and muggy there in August.. so by the time we were done practicing.. ugh.. we were a muggy melty mess. ha. But still I had a lot of fun. (and what is it with all these high schools I see now days.. WE had to MEMORIZE our music.. and learn marching routines. None of this standing in one place and playing with a lyre and sheet music.. ha. Sheet music.. Bah!! We don't NEED no stinking sheet music)

 

 

We were all such geeks we actually thought Tijuana Taxi was cool. We played that one mostly at basketball games

 

 

We never played that one but we DID do the theme from Rocky ha. (for marching band AND pep band) For pep band we also did THESE two.. they were both my favorites (especially after I switched to TSax.. way fun part to play on that instrument.. much more exiciting than the clarinet part anyway) And ha.. I am SO sure we sounded this good when we played it.. ha. (if only in my memory)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JackFavell]

OMG! WHERE did you go to school? Are you SURE it wasn't in Kankakee, Illinois, sis? We played those too! I always liked TSOP. And we also played the theme from Hogan's Heroes. To this day, I remember the high woodwind counter melody and sing along when I see an episode.

 

Yeah. I'm STILL a band geek.

 

MORE LUCKY SPOILERS:

 

As for Mr. Lucky, I usually start to cry when he gets shot. Then during -

 

>"You don't belong with a grifter like me. You just got some mud on your dress, that's all. Give it time, let it dry. It'll brush off."

 

I cry real hard.

 

And as he sails away, well.....

 

Then at the end, when Charles Bickford and the guy are talking and you see Laraine Day behind them I cry more, and then when the guy takes out the coin, I really am bawling like a baby....

 

it's not pretty my friend. This movie really gets to me on every level, and you really would not want to see it with me. I won't even watch if I know Andrew or Alice are going to be in the same room with me! They already make fun of my waterworks.

[FrankGrimes]

*Oh great. Ha.. now I am going to have to fight to get the mental image of RR in white shoes and an apron OUT of my head. *

 

He's always griping about the dirt being dragged into the house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Yes, but I thought she wasn't so "darling" in this one.. maybe I have it wrong.. or MAYBE you are just leading me astray. ha. I will have to check into it.*

 

 

She's darling! She's a loyal wife who loves her husband despite his major issues and what those issues have done to her as a woman and their marriage. But I will say that some of what Bernie (William Holden) says about Georgie (Grace Kelly) and how she treats her husband (Bing Crosby) ring true.

 

 

*Well I am not a HUGE Herb Alpert fan.. ha.. but you wouldn't know it from the way we've been carrying ON here.. ha. I just do like some of his music. I only had that one album of his.. and I really did enjoy it a lot. I wouldn't read TOO much into, though. ha.. because that was ONE album out of about 50 or so.. and it is more likely you could say my musical tastes were pretty much all over the map. ha.*

 

 

It's just that when you say you like Little River Band or Kansas or Dan Fogelberg, I'm not surprised. But when Herb Alpert shows up, I wonder what is going on!

 

 

*Its been a long time since I listened to much of any sort of music other than my bluegrass. ha. (now THAT would be more of my Ma Stone sort of speed, for sure, ha) But I do still enjoy going down memory lane now and then. This weekend on the trip up to see my folks we pulled out an OLD favorite.. now Herb Alpert I like.. but THESE guys.. I L-O-V-E love.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mostly like Little River Band. The have a mellow, melancholy sound. They sometimes sound like the Eagles, sometimes Bob Seger, sometimes Chicago. My favorite of theirs is "Reminiscing," which is very "Chicago." And, actually, it has a "Bee Gees" feel. The Bee Gees may be my favorite group of the 70s. It's either them, Fleetwood Mac or K.C. & the Sunshine Band.

 

 

I also like:

 

 

Kool & the Gang, Kenny Rogers, Foreigner, Olivia Newton-John, Hall & Oates, The Cars, Blondie, Ohio Players, Marvin Gaye, Commodores, Billy Joel, ELO, Styx, ABBA, Hot Chocolate, Wings, England Dan and John Ford Coley, Steely Dan, Heart, Rod Stewart, and Crystal Gayle.

 

 

My second favorite of the Little River Band would be "Lady," followed by "Lonesome Loser." What are your favorites of theirs?

 

 

*Oh.. and hey.. you have me pictured JUST about right.. except when I do my Herb Alpert "partying" I like to dress up a bit nicer:*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*You have NO idea how hard it is to find something festive shopping in the Jane Darwell Collection at Sears. ha. Fortunately.. I look good in black. *

 

 

That's hilarious!

 

 

*OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And PS: Grey Dude.. I caught the last half of your friend Cary Granite's Mr. Lucky movie last night. Wow, I need to see that one all the way through sometime. I really liked what I saw. (but ha.. big spoiler arlert: don't fall over.. I think it would have been better if they ending had been different note.. with him leaving her like he ALMOST does.. or with him "GONE" like he NEARLY was if he had not made it, ha. Either way.. I think the ending would have been a better way to wrap it up rather than the way it DID end. (I KNOW.. go figure... so very UNlike me, isn't it?? ha. I did say don't fall down! ha) :DStill.. I did like the way it ended. ha. (silly me.. just trying to have it both ways) *

 

 

*Mr. Lucky* is a big favorite of mine. Jackie suggested it to me a few years ago. It's not your typical Cary Grant film. It mixes the light and dark very well. The ending is pretty tense. And the very end that you speak of could have gone either way and I would have liked it. I'm with Jackie in that I do like how it ends. I guess I really wanted the happy ending with it. But, who knows, if it would have ended the other way, maybe I would have liked it even more.

[JackFavell]

Wow you go all over the place in your musical likes from that era!

 

My favorite Little River Band song

 

 

this makes perfect sense, I actually was born in the sign of water and it's an escape song, for this little red Buick...

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Mar 31, 2013 8:16 PM

[FrankGrimes]

*Oh btw, Goddess and Frank, I just got Ryan's Daughter in the mail, both discs for rental, but I haven't watched yet. I hope to tomorrow.*

 

Fantastic! It's such a beautiful-looking film, yet the feel of the film is so cold. It's also a fairly quiet film, making it very moody.

 

*Ah, i had a moment of relative peace while the dinner was cooking....that's why it took me 3 hours to get back to you! We just finished eating. It was a nice dinner, nothing too difficult to cook.*

 

No guests? What did you make? Are there any kids in your family for your daughter to play with?

 

*Oh lordy, I was a real band geek... I played oboe. At basketball games I could either play oboe or sax. They have the same fingering. For marching band, because the oboe has an open reed that would break off in your mouth if you jostled it, they made me play the celeste or for a while I did flag core.*

 

I didn't know that! You're definitely on the artistic side, so this doesn't surprise me. Were you encouraged to play or did you choose to do so on your own?

 

*It DOES sound like game shows! That's funny! I like it unabashedly. It just reminds me of childhood, it's happy and just so kicky.*

 

Oh, I fave a fondness for 70s game shows, so that kind of music plays all right with me.

[JackFavell]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}

> Fantastic! It's such a beautiful-looking film, yet the feel of the film is so cold. It's also a fairly quiet film, making it very moody.

 

I've had it for almost a week now, just couldn't get to it. I'm very much looking forward to it. I've only seen parts of it, but it looks like my cup of tea.

 

> No guests? What did you make? Are there any kids in your family for your daughter to play with?

 

Don't freak out. I made.... I'm afraid I'll get flack for mentioning it... I cooked.... your little lambykins for dinner.

 

My MIL and my dad both like lamb, and my dad actually bought the leg of lamb since I literally can't afford it. It was in two pieces, so I did one with a redcurrant rosemary glaze and the other with lemon, garlic and oregano. Yummy. then just potatoes and asparagus (again don't freak out.. asparagus is very good!) some garlic bread and olive salad.

 

We don't have a huge family, or at least near enough to visit for holidays. So no, Alice didn't have any little cousins to play with. But Omi, that's Andrew's mom, brought her an Easter basket with some little cardboard airplanes in it so the airplanes ended up being the big hit of the afternoon... she and Andrew were flying them all over the living room.

 

> I didn't know that! You're definitely on the artistic side, so this doesn't surprise me. Were you encouraged to play or did you choose to do so on your own?

 

My dad had suggested an instrument that no one else played, so I picked the oboe. It really can be a very pretty instrument, when played right. I was never particularly good at it, but I didn't try very hard either. I had a natural talent for music, but I never went very far with it. Too lazy.

 

> Oh, I fave a fondness for 70s game shows, so that kind of music plays all right with me.

 

What's your favorite? I liked Match Game and Password.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}Hola, Snippy! -- Do you have me on "Ignore"... again?!

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> *what is that?*

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> I thought you were a waitress there back in Texas!

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I'm still lost! That looks like some place out of *The Last Picture Show* or a Burt Reynold's movie. I can honestly say I never saw any places like that where I grew up. Or I've blocked them from my memory.

 

> Yes, the DVD for *Ryan's Daughter* is two discs. It's a rather expensive DVD. I haven't watched any of the extras. Do you wish me to watch them?

>

 

you might enjoy the "making of", since i do believe robert bolt (the screenwriter) talks about the film and Lean.

 

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> So has *Ryan's Daughter* improved with viewings with you? What are your thoughts on the film?

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like Rosy, when i first saw the movie i was never so disappointed in robert mitchum in my life. it was just way too grim and "realistic" to me. i wanted to see ireland like john ford did, not that Englishman, Lean.

 

But I saw it again a few years ago and I was quite touched by a number of things, including the misery that was unintentionally caused by people projecting their ideas/ideals (Rosy, especially) onto people who can't fulfill them. Seeing that sordid little world i couldn't blame her for longing for something beautiful and wonderful, and thinking it had arrived in the package of a tin soldier. All of this also reminds me a lot of *Far From the Madding Crowd*, a movie I like a little better only because I like Julie Christie ever so much more than Sarah Miles.

 

> Very good! That's a terrific comparison. The schoolgirl matures while her crush ages.

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Her crush was not the dashing hero of her dreams. What did Rhett say to Scarlett? "Suppose Melanie were dead you had your precious Ashley. You'd never understand him, never even know his mind." I always thought those were some of the heaviest words said in GWTW, and you could say the same to Emma Bovary, Rosy, et al the deluded young girls (men aren't exempt from seeing only what they want to see, as well).

 

I like what you said about how the unadventurous can live with it all but the adventurous (or recklessly imaginative) become impatient with life.

 

> You may have a favorite flavor, but the need to sample other flavors is a pull so many struggle with. And is your favorite flavor going to be the same at age 17 as it is at 27 and 37 and 47...

 

One hopes the two can grow together. It gets tricky when one stops growing, and inevitably, not everyone grows at the same rate at the same times.

 

> This is where the unadventurous and lazy end up being "loyal." It's a byproduct of those characteristics. The unadventurous are typically okay with the adventurous, but the adventurous usually have issues with the unadventurous.

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THat's very deep!

 

> *indeed and he's so visually epic in style...it's rare to see the two combined.*

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> That's an excellent point. I tend to associate epic with emotionally distant.

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That's exactly it. Lean and Ford (and from what little I saw of Kurasawa) are two directors that can pull the two together with some record of success. Both also liked to make small pictures about ordinary people, too.

 

That screenshot of Mitchum is great. It really is a remarkable role for him and though I thought him miserably miscast when I first saw the movie, I now think he showed just how deeply grounded his acting talent was. He was not just a personality-player.

 

Of course, I heard he got into several drunken brawls on location in Ireland so something tells me playing a...whatever you want to call him...must have driven him to let off steam, ha ha.

 

> Doryan (Christopher Jones) and his troops capture the shipment of weapons meant for the IRA rebels. The town then accuses Charles (Robert Mitchum) and Rosy (Sarah Miles) for the sabotage, thus making them outcasts.

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oh, i don't remember that at all. was the implication because they had seen Rosy with the soldier?

 

rohanaka---the "hawaii five-o" theme in band? wow, that's so cool! i remember the pep rallies and football game bands playing the "Rocky" theme, too. alas, i never learned to play any instrument, we couldn't afford it (would have had to pay for the instrument). but i always wanted to learn guitar, anyway. still do! unfortunately, guitar is no good for those fun, spirited band-type songs like "eye of the tiger", lol. i love marching band music, even to this day.

 

not sure which Little River Band song I like best; you all named some good ones.

[MissGoddess]

Jackie, I think John Mills and Trevor Howard are amazing in *Ryan's Daughter*, and you will think so too, I believe. They are not the leads, but they are in many ways the "real people" of the movie, and the conscience (Howard). Howard is lovely in it, lovely. He is not unlike Walter Pigeon's minister in *How Green Was My Valley*. So smart and real, but unable to do as much as he might with the people, the times, etc. He's no savior or saint, just a simple man and boy, what an actor.

[JackFavell]

Now I'm excited to see it! I love those types of actors, maybe not the leads, but the ones who give the flavor... especially if they are touching in some way, or ground the picture. You know me so well....

[MissGoddess]

[FrankGrimes]

*I've had it for almost a week now, just couldn't get to it. I'm very much looking forward to it. I've only seen parts of it, but it looks like my cup of tea.*

 

Miss G was right on target about Trevor Howard and John Mills. You will love them the most in the film. It's an amazing performance by Mills and Howard is always so good. Howard is definitely the conscience of the film. Mills could be seen as the heart.

 

I think your emotions will dance around in the film.

 

*Don't freak out. I made.... I'm afraid I'll get flack for mentioning it... I cooked.... your little lambykins for dinner. *

 

What?! Not my sweet Lamby!

 

*My MIL and my dad both like lamb, and my dad actually bought the leg of lamb since I literally can't afford it. It was in two pieces, so I did one with a redcurrant rosemary glaze and the other with lemon, garlic and oregano. Yummy. then just potatoes and asparagus (again don't freak out.. asparagus is very good!) some garlic bread and olive salad.*

 

I've never had lamb, so I have no idea what it tastes like. I'm guessing pork. I'm never tried asparagus, either. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it.

 

*We don't have a huge family, or at least near enough to visit for holidays. So no, Alice didn't have any little cousins to play with. But Omi, that's Andrew's mom, brought her an Easter basket with some little cardboard airplanes in it so the airplanes ended up being the big hit of the afternoon... she and Andrew were flying them all over the living room.*

 

How cute! Did she get any candy? How about you?

 

*My dad had suggested an instrument that no one else played, so I picked the oboe. It really can be a very pretty instrument, when played right. I was never particularly good at it, but I didn't try very hard either. I had a natural talent for music, but I never went very far with it. Too lazy.*

 

He was smart to suggest that. I never had an interest to play a musical instrument. Actually, I take that back. I had a toy "Fame" drum set that I used to play while watching MTV. That was the extent of my talents. I was all about sports.

 

*What's your favorite? I liked Match Game and Password.*

 

I like those two, for sure. Match Game is probably the most entertaining game show from the 70s. Was there ever a looser game show? I also like The Newlywed Game from those days. But the two I always liked as a kid were The Joker's Wild and Tic-Tac-Dough.

[JackFavell]

WOW! Is that all from RYan's Daughter? What an artist Lean is! seeing it put to totally different music you can really see how observant of nature he is. Spectacularly so! I mean, people have seen clouds and hillsides for years, but no one captured the way the wind moves the clouds across the sky, reflected in the shadows on those hills... before Lean. Well, maybe Jack Cardiff and Michael Powell.

 

Frank...Match Game was so loose it was almost scandalous! Very witty as well. I used to love the banter and Gene Rayburn. They always seemed like they just came from a party and were continuing it for the TV audience.

 

So Joker's Wild and Tic Tac Dough? You must be a gambler at heart!

 

>I've never had lamb, so I have no idea what it tastes like. I'm guessing pork.

 

Lamb doesn't taste like any other meat. But it's similar to pork in structure and texture. It can be gamey, which is why I prefer a leg to any other of the portions... it's a little milder.

 

 

>I'm never tried asparagus, either. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it.

No, really?

 

Do you like 1970's commercials? "Try it, you'll like it."

 

I'm sorry, my computer keeps crashing, so I am going to turn it off again for the night and try to get it working better tomorrow morning.

 

It's been wonderful talking tonight! I've missed you all. Take care and hope to see you tomorrow.

[FrankGrimes]

*I'm still lost! That looks like some place out of The Last Picture Show or a Burt Reynold's movie. I can honestly say I never saw any places like that where I grew up. Or I've blocked them from my memory. *

 

You weren't serving any ice cold ones?

 

 

 

you might enjoy the "making of", since i do believe robert bolt (the screenwriter) talks about the film and Lean.

 

*like Rosy, when i first saw the movie i was never so disappointed in robert mitchum in my life. *

 

And you still would be!

 

*it was just way too grim and "realistic" to me. i wanted to see ireland like john ford did, not that Englishman, Lean. *

 

That's funny! It really is an Englishman's view of Ireland.

 

 

*But I saw it again a few years ago and I was quite touched by a number of things, including the misery that was unintentionally caused by people projecting their ideas/ideals (Rosy, especially) onto people who can't fulfill them. Seeing that sordid little world i couldn't blame her for longing for something beautiful and wonderful, and thinking it had arrived in the package of a tin soldier.*

 

"Tin soldier," I like that. The thing is, he did provide her with something her husband did not. This brought her to life. How long can that last is always the question.

 

*All of this also reminds me a lot of Far From the Madding Crowd, a movie I like a little better only because I like Julie Christie ever so much more than Sarah Miles.*

 

That's a good comparision for *Ryan's Daughter*. I had the same feel while watching the film. A solid, hard-working, loyal chap isn't valued by the idealistic, romantic, young woman. What woman wants to see themselves as an old maid tending house?

 

 

*Her crush was not the dashing hero of her dreams.*

 

No, he wasn't. I loved that he was compromised by a war injury. Lean really does play with your emotions.

 

*What did Rhett say to Scarlett? "Suppose Melanie were dead you had your precious Ashley. You'd never understand him, never even know his mind." I always thought those were some of the heaviest words said in GWTW, and you could say the same to Emma Bovary, Rosy, et al the deluded young girls (men aren't exempt from seeing only what they want to see, as well).*

 

 

That's excellent. I completely forgot about Scarlett, Rhett, and Ashley. They are the shining example of idealism versus reality. The beautiful lie and the ugly truth.

 

*I like what you said about how the unadventurous can live with it all but the adventurous (or recklessly imaginative) become impatient with life.*

 

 

Thank you. You are right, the highly imaginative can end up being their greatest enemy with happiness. What they conceive is often impossible to replicate in reality. It's also a world that struggles to value constancy.

 

*One hopes the two can grow together. It gets tricky when one stops growing, and inevitably, not everyone grows at the same rate at the same times.*

 

 

What does growth encompass?

 

*THat's very deep!*

 

Off the deep end!

 

 

*That's exactly it. Lean and Ford (and from what little I saw of Kurasawa) are two directors that can pull the two together with some record of success. Both also liked to make small pictures about ordinary people, too.*

 

 

And with smaller pictures I usually look for intimacy.

 

*That screenshot of Mitchum is great. It really is a remarkable role for him and though I thought him miserably miscast when I first saw the movie, I now think he showed just how deeply grounded his acting talent was. He was not just a personality-player.*

 

 

He still may be terribly miscast, but I do agree with you, that Mitchum's abilities and presence lend a lot to the character and film. He conveys genuineness.

 

*Of course, I heard he got into several drunken brawls on location in Ireland so something tells me playing a...whatever you want to call him...must have driven him to let off steam, ha ha.*

 

 

I can believe that! The people may have led him to drink, too!

 

*oh, i don't remember that at all. was the implication because they had seen Rosy with the soldier?*

 

Yes.

[MissGoddess]

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> You weren't serving any ice cold ones?

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no wonder i didn't recognize it.

 

> That's funny! It really is an Englishman's view of Ireland.

>

 

it's interesting that the land itself is shown to be perfect and ravishing (and romantic) while the people are otherwise.

 

> "Tin soldier," I like that. The thing is, he did provide her with something her husband did not. This brought her to life. How long can that last is always the question.

>

 

It's interesting that he was not "perfect", as his disability shows. I actually felt sorry for him.

 

> That's a good comparision for *Ryan's Daughter*. I had the same feel while watching the film. A solid, hard-working, loyal chap isn't valued by the idealistic, romantic, young woman. What woman wants to see themselves as an old maid tending house?

>

 

Yes, right after the honeymoon he's grading papers and she's going stir crazy amongst the lillies. He really was an old man already, poor thing.

 

>

> That's excellent. I completely forgot about Scarlett, Rhett, and Ashley. They are the shining example of idealism versus reality. The beautiful lie and the ugly truth.

>

 

It's hard to let go of the dream.

 

> Thank you. You are right, the highly imaginative can end up being their greatest enemy with happiness. What they conceive is often impossible to replicate in reality. It's also a world that struggles to value constancy.

>

 

Yet constancy was valued back then, when the movie story is set. I don't want to go too far with this, but I also think Lean wanted to show that women had really strong passions and desires (and romanticism), not just men. In this respect, she's like Yuri (Omar Shariff) in *Doctor Zhivago*. She's got the familiar and the good, but she longs for the vibrant and unpredictable---and what makes the earth move under your feet.

 

> What does growth encompass?

>

 

good question!

 

> He still may be terribly miscast, but I do agree with you, that Mitchum's abilities and presence lend a lot to the character and film. He conveys genuineness.

>

 

Who else do you see in the role? If he'd been younger, Trevor Howard would probably have gotten the part.

 

> I can believe that! The people may have led him to drink, too!

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[FrankGrimes]

*no wonder i didn't recognize it.*

 

You mean you didn't watch The Dukes of Hazzard ? I'm shocked! *Dallas* was on after it on Friday nights.

 

*it's interesting that the land itself is shown to be perfect and ravishing (and romantic) while the people are otherwise.*

 

 

The views are breathtaking, but I always get a cold feel with that environment. It just looks chilly to me.

 

 

*It's interesting that he was not "perfect", as his disability shows. I actually felt sorry for him.*

 

 

Exactly. That's where David Lean really does play with us. I completely understand Rosy's longing for passion and a physical love. I felt sorry for Doryan's situation with his body and the townsfolk.

 

 

I like the irony of Doryan being the physical lover with the disability while the vibrant Charles has no passion for lovemaking.

 

 

*Yes, right after the honeymoon he's grading papers and she's going stir crazy amongst the lillies. He really was an old man already, poor thing.*

 

 

That's right. And he knew this and attempted to tell Rosy about this. But he gave in.

 

 

*It's hard to let go of the dream.*

 

 

Completely. I should know!

 

 

*Yet constancy was valued back then, when the movie story is set. I don't want to go too far with this, but I also think Lean wanted to show that women had really strong passions and desires (and romanticism), not just men. In this respect, she's like Yuri (Omar Shariff) in Doctor Zhivago. She's got the familiar and the good, but she longs for the vibrant and unpredictable---and what makes the earth move under your feet.*

 

 

I think women are the adventurous sex, the romantic sex, the idealistic sex. Men tend to be grounded in reality and routine. In the past, I feel women just repressed their nature.

 

 

But you are right, Lean gives us the male ( *Doctor Zhivago* ) and the female ( *Ryan's Daughter* ) sides of the same coin.

 

 

*What does growth encompass?*

 

 

*good question!*

 

 

Get to answerin' that!

 

 

*Who else do you see in the role? If he'd been younger, Trevor Howard would probably have gotten the part.*

 

 

Oh, I have a hard time with casting. I wouldn't know what kind of Irishman is best for the role. I don't see Trevor Howard splitting wood with his shirt off.

[MissGoddess]

Another interesting movie about marriage that even touches on a couple of things that are found in *Ryan's Daughter* is a 1933 film with Robert Montgomery and Helen Hayes, *Another Language*. It's one of the rare times in that period that Montgomery does not play a charming playboy or rogue, but rather an ordinary working man and husband married to a woman very different from him and his family.

 

One of the screenwriters was Herman Mankiewicz. It's a sincere little attempt at depicting how hard it can be to make a marriage work when people have different outlooks on life (a caveat: the film is a little biased---Montgomery's family are depicted more like caricatures and according to the vogue of the times that has continued to now, the "modern" view is championed while the traditional family is lampooned for rigidity and ignorance. Had these depictions been tempered with more reality and understanding, the story would rise above the merely good to the great).

 

It shows up on TCM every once in a great while, and is one of Hayes' few screen roles. It's based on a stage play by Rose Franken.

[rohanaka]

 

Are you SURE it wasn't in Kankakee, Illinois, sis

 

 

Ha.. well, how close is Ft Knox Ky to Kankakee??

 

 

I always liked TSOP. And we also played the theme from Hogan's Heroes

 

 

OH I bet HH would have been a fun one to play. ha. For pepband we also did Theme from MASH (sometimes) and we did Theme from SWAT too.. that one was actually fun.

 

 

 

 

 

One year for Marching Band we did a Disney Tribute (Mickey's 50th B-day.. dadgum!! That was like 35 years ago.. the MOUSE is not the only one that is getting old.. wowsa, ha) I don't recall which tunes we did, but I just know we did a whole "Disney medley) We also did Sweet Georgia Brown, Mountain Greenery, and I Love Paris in the Springtime (ha.. yeah.. our teacher liked to mix things up sometimes)

 

 

OH..and Miss G.. you'll love this.. one year the Fri Night football game fell on Halloween.. so he had us learn this whole routine to perform JUST for that one night only.. and we did (among OTHER things.. theme from the Alfred Hitchcock show, ha)

 

 

He was big on movie themes for Marching Band.. we also played Superman and Battlestar Gallactica. (I kid you NOT) ha. But my MOST favorite song we EVER played for marching band HANDS down was...

 

 

 

 

 

Miss G says:

 

 

i never learned to play any instrument, we couldn't afford it (would have had to pay for the instrument). but i always wanted to learn guitar, anyway. still do! unfortunately, guitar is no good for those fun, spirited band-type songs like "eye of the tiger", lol. i love marching band music, even to this day

 

 

I had a boyfriend in high school that went to a different school than I did (just off post in Radcliff Ky) He played trumpet (very well) in his school's band and they were VERY competitive.. our band was much smaller and we did not compete.. but his did, and he got me hooked on Marching band competitions for a while.. they are a lot of fun to go and watch.

 

 

Jackie says:

 

 

MORE LUCKY SPOILERS

 

As for Mr. Lucky, I usually start to cry when he gets shot. Then during

 

 

That whole fight scene was just so SHOCKING. Very grim even... when he raises up over that guy's face.. oh my GOODNESS me..

 

 

I think it is a touching movie though (ha.. all face "stomping issues aside) So I totally understand why you would be emotional over it. Cary does a wonderful job of outwardly showing the struggle he is experiencing on the inside. And I love the way she comes to expect the best from him.. even though she has every reason to believe the worst. It is just a touching story.

 

 

I cry real hard... it's not pretty my friend

 

 

Ha.. have you forgotten who you are talking to???? I take my stories WAY to personally. There are some movies I get so emotional over I actually am leary of WATCHING them again because they upset me so much. ha. I have to REALLY be in the mood to watch certain films in order to be willing to go through all the trauma. ha. ( but I mean that in a good way) ha.

 

 

Oh, and ps.. your Easter Dinner sounds very elegant. I am no huge lover of lamb.. I don't know what it is.. but the flavor just never has appealed to me. Stil, I do know that many people ARE fond of it and I bet yours turned out terrific. Great time of year for Aspargus too.. I love it steamed, with a bit of butter.

 

 

We went out to my folks Saturday for a big family meal.. and then today, we had ham.. delish! (but we did not make a big meal again.. even though I bought the stuff to make it. Our plans got changed around a bit after church.. and so I decided to put that off and we ended up going out instead of making another big meal. However, since the ham was fully cooked and it DID sound good for supper, ha.. I just sliced some off and heated it and we had that with some dinner rolls tonight instead. (and then we'll make the BIG meal maybe for supper tomorrow night instead) One thing we did do this evening though.. the kidling helped me make an apple cherry pie.. not too hard.. just sliced up some apples and used cherry pie filling and some extra spices, etc. She loved slicing the apples.. so we had fun making that.. and yet was too late to eat it so we just had a nibble before I sent her off to bed, and we'll have it tomorrow night too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MissGoddess]

I remember that movie themes were popular with the band but wow! i'm so impressed that you all did "how the west was won"! I swear i would not have known what it was from until years later.

 

P.S. "Mountain Greenery"? Cool! I love that little song. though not a band orchestration, this is my favorite rendition of it:

 

 

[FrankGrimes]

*Another interesting movie about marriage that even touches on a couple of things that are found in Ryan's Daughter is a 1933 film with Robert Montgomery and Helen Hayes, Another Language. It's one of the rare times in that period that Montgomery does not play a charming playboy or rogue, but rather an ordinary working man and husband married to a woman very different from him and his family.*

 

That sounds pretty interesting to me. And I do have it, so I'll look to watch it in the next group of films.

 

*One of the screenwriters was Herman Mankiewicz. It's a sincere little attempt at depicting how hard it can be to make a marriage work when people have different outlooks on life (a caveat: the film is a little biased---Montgomery's family are depicted more like caricatures and according to the vogue of the times that has continued to now, the "modern" view is championed while the traditional family is lampooned for rigidity and ignorance. Had these depictions been tempered with more reality and understanding, the story would rise above the merely good to the great).*

 

 

Now that really interests me. It really can be difficult to make a marriage a succesful one when the outlooks of each spouse are different. Their love for each other has to win out to make it work.