The Annual FrankGrimes Torture Thread

[JackFavell]

Oh my gosh, Chris it was so funny! I'll do my best to see if I can find it, but I don't know if I'll have any luck.

[MissGoddess]

that was great, thanks for posting those, Wendy. the only one i had seen before was "road to Nairobi" with Bob guesting on Jack's show. I forgot to add that I love Jack's inability to admit his real age---I can sympathize with him there! what did George call Jack's program? "The Rochester Show", lol. It was. I can't think of George without Rochester. I first knew of them from the little mice in the cartoon, ha ha.

 

I couldn't find the mice cartoon, but here is another with "jack bunny":

 

 

 

George and Gracie, maybe the happiest couple in showbiz? And here's another for that list of less famous movies featuring shobiz couples: George and Gracie appear in Fred Astaire's *Damsel in Distress*, and I think they are the best thing in it, lol.

[FrankGrimes]

Hola, Little Red Buick -- I'm sorry it has taken me so long to reply to you. It was a busy week (excuses!).

 

*awww. thanks white hat. It's probably just that I've finally seen some of the movies you watched.*

 

I do try to watch films for different people.

 

 

*I think it might be a memory problem, but Andrew is the computer genius at our house.*

 

 

Are things better with your computer?

 

 

*I could... I was supposed to do that the other day but I didn't. So it's my own fault. I got busy around the house and forgot to do it. It would be nice to get the good stuff and leave all the junk I've accumulated.*

 

 

I'm sure you'll be able to get your good stuff back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Yes, I remember that movie! She kind of mellowed into a very attractive mature woman, with a lot of warm character rather than the cool understated Olivia of younger days.*

 

 

Exactly. She was still playing the lonely woman, it's just she was doing so from the older side. *The Proud Rebel* is a very tender, loving film.

 

 

*I wish there were people who would give advice when you asked for it, really thoughtful, helpful advice. It always seems that when people let fly with what they think you should do, it's really all about them. I can't stand that. Sometimes I just want to blow off steam, I don't want you to give me advice every time we talk.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's funny and deadly accurate. Those who are always handing out advice really are about themselves. One thing that I have learned in recent years is that if something goes wrong with yourself, people will often blame the things they don't like about you for the reasons you are hurting. And this points to what they are bothered by, so it's about them. People always think they are so darn perfect.

 

 

*I'm a chameleon! You take one side, and I think "yes! that's right." and then MissG takes the other side, and I find that I agree with her! I'm Ryan. *

 

 

If it's a choice between me and Miss G, you know who is right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Do you think Rosy's situation caused her actions, or was it her personality?*

 

 

I'd say situation with Rosy. Her inexperience in life led to her crush and marriage. Her situation then produced the longing for passion. Now if she were to continue to have a need for new adventures and passion to make her happy, then it's her personality.

 

 

*So people aren't always what they say they are, nor are they their actions. What's left? Soul? What they wish they were? What they want to be? The striving? The wish? It's an interesting question. To me anyway,*

 

 

It's a very interesting question. We're all so different, but we can create broader outlines that can link some of us. There are definitely the types who are living for others. They need their attention, approval, and acceptance. That's Rosy's father. Those are the people that I usually dislike the most.

 

 

Rosy seemed like a good girl dreamer who was blinded by her crush and then started to actually live that daily life. Love is often more thrilling in the imagination of a young girl than reality. "We'll get married and have kids and be in love forever!" When described in the short fairy tale way, it sounds lovely. Now live it every day.

 

 

Charles was the kind of man he said he was. He was an unexciting man who enjoyed simple pleasures and the routine of daily living. A young girl often projects such a life to be thrilling, but after some years of it, reality sets in.

 

 

To me, a person who hasn't experienced love, I feel love needs to have at its core a love to be with someone, to spend time with them, to enjoy talking with them.

 

 

*Yes,I see. You may be right. she's been lonely and cut off from anyone like her... she has a different kind of nature than anyone around her. The question is will she open up now to other people who might be friendly with her or share her differentness? Will she stay alienated and alone? It's hard to open yourself to others if you think you are bad or different.*

 

 

As you pointed out, the place Rosy came from wasn't the best for finding friends. This isolated her. Then her life became lifeless with Charles. Can Rosy accept her marriage with Charles, one that is lacking in passion, or will she need this passion to be happy? Can she find a passion through others, one that could even enhance her passion for Charles? I feel she'll only come to love him more with time because the physical becomes less.

 

 

*You mean there was a pat reason for their situation? An explanation for why they were the way they were? Would you have liked it better if they had left it up in the air?*

 

 

Oh, no, no. I've been poorly explaining my issue with the past tragedy in *The Country Girl*. I understand such a tragedy creating a major rift in a marriage and with a person's self-esteem. The guilt is heavy. I liked all of that. I just didn't like how the tragedy was shown. It's such a small thing, and it didn't take away from my liking the film.

 

 

*What else is in it?*

 

 

It's an excellent collection:

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Guinness-Collection-Coronets-Lavender-Ladykillers/dp/B001LXIDUO/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1366417791&sr=1-1&keywords=alecguinnesscollection

 

 

I just ordered it.

 

 

*Interesting. There's a lot left unsaid or unfinished in this movie. It makes it more interesting to talk about.*

 

 

I completely agree. *Ryan's Daughter* ends and we really don't know how to feel about it. It's great. I think we both like films like that.

 

 

*Geez, Sense and Sensibility may actually be a Jane Austen story I'd like!*

 

 

*WHAAAAAAAT??? *

 

 

Tell me about it!

 

 

*Great question. I like to think on the positive side, since it couldn't have gotten more negative than where they were before.*

 

 

It's all up to Rosy, now. She started off the marriage inexperienced. Well, she's gained a boatload of experience. Does this mature her?

 

 

*I am just surprised at the number. I guess I always think of you as a newbie, but at this point, you've probably watched more movies with more mental appreciation than I have.*

 

 

Oh, I certainly wouldn't say that! I still feel I'm way behind most everyone. I'm probably more like a sophomore, today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Definitely What Price Glory? I know I'm setting you up with TSB, so I won't say anymore, except it's a simple film. I kind of doubt you'll like it anyway. But when you've asked me for favorites or movies I like that you should watch, I always choke... I can't remember which movies you've already seen, or I can't bring to mind what I would like to share. When I do think of one, it gets me over-talkative and excited.*

 

 

I'm looking forward to *The Strawberry Blonde*, but I do feel I won't like it nearly as much as you. So I'm going to be entering it with lowered expectations. That's a good thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*I love it. It's my favorite mystery show. I like Ellery Queen too, with Jim Hutton.*

 

 

You and your Jim Hutton!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Maybe it isn't so unusual, William S Hart did it first, And of course Ford in Stagecoach sort of set the mold for Wayne. He did play some bad good guys in his really early cheapie westerns, but they were all very good natured and didn't really seem bad at all. I think the depth comes later on. But man it's powerful, and I really had no idea his career was so serious, underlying all the rough and tumble. It gives him so much depth as an actor to see him struggle, to see him hate.*

 

 

I feel you are right. I do like the pleasantness of the young John Wayne, but his more mature roles brought greater complexity in his characters. When he's being "tortured," he's exceptional.

 

 

*Now that's something I appreciate very much, but I didn't know you did. I wasn't sure you'd like something that contained elements of the magical or fantastic. I love the way things work out in Clair. There's a humorous serendipity at work in his films. In fact, that's the one thing I think shows up in all his movies that I've seen. Fate, but not a heavy one. A humorous one.*

 

 

Those are terrific observations about Rene Clair. I do like the fantastical quite a bit. I'm a boyish dreamer, after all. And you're right about Clair's humor and fate. There is a lightness to both.

 

 

*I'm guessing she was bored at a party or something, and thought it would be fun to get him all hot and bothered. Then they got stuck in that dynamic and couldn't escape it.*

 

 

I can't imagine Graham (Laurence Olivier) and Anna (Simone Signoret) being at the same party! Maybe Graham would stop off at the pub after school or something and she worked there.

 

 

*The Entertainer is probably going to be on this month sometime, since Laurence Olivier is SOTM. It's probably one of his finest performances. It's not nice or pretty, far from it. He completely re-invented himself in this role. I think it may be his best acting in a film. But it's unpleasant. You'd probably love it!*

 

 

Hmmmmmmm... that has me wondering. It's on next Wednesday at eight.

 

 

*It's metaphorical steam. *

 

 

Oh, good. I can see through that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Isn't it odd? I never really thought about it before. I really love how she tosses off a line or a gag early on. She's just brilliant.*

 

 

*She reminds me of something that happened to me when I was acting. I was performing in a play, I don't remember what it was. I had a bit part. At one point I decided to stare at the main character closely. It got a laugh. My teacher (who was also the director) pointed it out to everyone, made a big deal out of it. Much as I might try, I was never able to duplicate it and I never got the laugh during performance again.. Comedy is hard.*

 

 

That's a really good story... and lesson. Comedy is the hardest, without a doubt. There are so many senses of humor out there. And what can be funny for someone can absolutely annoy another.

 

 

*I really agree with you. The movie itself is nothing. It's not even very complex or interesting as a thriller. I'd say it's not even in the top 10 suspense thrillers. But I love it all the same, because of the two actors and how they are just left alone to do what they do best. Ida is also really soft here, and I like that.*

 

 

Ida does soft so terribly well. And Robert Ryan is such a threatening presence, but he almost always has a sympathetic side to him. The film really isn't a story, it's capturing a moment. That's partly why it didn't resonate as much to me, yet it really should. I like such studies.

 

 

*It's certainly very "Audrey."*

 

 

*Uh-oh. *

 

 

That made me laugh!

 

 

*After reading your comment about Torch Song and then Miss G's comment, I now must watch it.*

 

 

*Oy. Good luck. *

 

 

I'm curious to see why it's so bad!

[FrankGrimes]

Hola, Mrs. Doberman! -- *Buona sera, Franco! Wow, you've been tearing through a LOT of movies! I've got to keep up, lol!*

 

That's what happens when I set silly goals to watch movies.

 

 

*You think I'm literate? Ha! Thanks for that, but I'm just the Poe and Lovecraft girl.*

 

 

Yes, you are very literate. Poe and Lovecraft is a great combination. My brother really likes them, as well. I've never been a reader. But if I were to read, I'd go with Poe.

 

*I'm not a fan of "serious" Bing -- THE COUNTRY GIRL, GOING MY WAY, etc. etc. He just tends to get me extremely depressed. But when his fellow Road-ster Bob gets embroiled in dramatic situations, I'm less uncomfortable.*

 

 

The only time I saw Bob in a serious role was *Critic's Choice*. He was mean in that one.

 

 

*Teen angst in general doesn't bother me (I highly recommend UP THE DOWN STAIRCASE, one of my all-time favorites, and a real nostalgia trip down New Yawk memory lane...) but I've never gotten the whole James Dean thing. He does nothing for me; I get a kind of poseur feeling with him, whereas I'm genuinely moved by Sal Mineo in REBEL.*

 

 

Plato (Sal Mineo) is definitely the one I feel for in *Rebel Without a Cause*. He was the one who was hurting the most. I can't say I go for James Dean, but he's definitely different. He really stands out.

 

 

*Speaking of David Lean, I highly recommend BLITHE SPIRIT. Veddy British, very Noel Coward, and Margaret Rutherford is (as usual) wonderful.*

 

 

I actually don't have that one, yet. "Veddy British" always worries me, though.

 

 

*I don't know why I can't really remember VACATION FROM MARRIAGE, but my favorite Donat is KNIGHT WITHOUT ARMOUR. I've never seen Marlene so vulnerable; he really brings this quality out in her.*

 

 

They do make an interesting couple. I still prefer *The 39 Steps*, above all.

 

 

*Max Showalter, lol. This is Casey Adams, right? He spoofs his maniacal chucklehead image in LORD LOVE A DUCK. (the shopping scenes with Tuesday Weld)*

 

 

What's really sad is that I now like seeing Max Showalter in a cast. I don't know what happened!

 

 

*I'm glad to hear that BULLETS OR BALLOTS is serious! Although I do like my Runyonesque types, too.*

 

 

*A Slight Case of Murder*, a film I just recently watched, is Eddie G. in a Runyon pic.

 

 

*It's probably the "Ruritania" factor that keeps me away from THE PRISONER OF ZENDA. Mythical kingdoms just don't cut it for me, lol. I prefer my Britophila in a more "modern" vein -- Sherlock Holmes, '40's and '50's David Lean, the Ealing comedies, Powell/Pressburger, and any number of murder mysteries. I love Ronald Colman, but not in the costume dramas. My favorite of his is THE LATE GEORGE APLEY.*

 

 

I haven't seen that one. Is that a film an Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode is based on?

 

 

I like Lubitsch's "Ruritania."

 

 

I like Hitch, Sherlock, the Archers, and Lean. I'm going to give Alec Guinness a looksee. I'm also curious about Peter Sellers.

 

 

*I'm terrified of clowns! Lon Chaney Sr. once said that there was nothing more horrifying than a "clown at midnight", and I think that speaks for itself! I agree with him!*

 

 

I'd be frightened to see a clown at midnight! What are they doing performing at that hour?!

 

 

*I haven't seen CHANDU THE MAGICIAN in ages -- Bela as the evil Roxor is lovesick for Irene Ware as Princess Nadji; he's also trying to take over the world with a death ray, but is thwarted in both these efforts by (zzzzz) Edmund Lowe as Chandu. Too bad, lol.*

 

 

What a memory! All of that is spot on.

 

 

*I like AND GOD CREATED WOMAN for the retro Cote D'Azur scenery and also iconic Brigitte.*

 

 

The setting is rather lovely.

 

 

*THE DAYS OF WINE AND ROSES is very well done, with Lee and Charles Bickford giving the best performances. Jack is sympathetic, but I feel tries just a little too hard. When Lemmon gets "serious", I tend to keep my emotional distance.*

 

 

That's very understandable. It did throw me a little seeing Jack in such a heavy role.

[JackFavell]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}Hola, Little Red Buick -- I'm sorry it has taken me so long to reply to you. It was a busy week (excuses!).

 

That's OK, I've left you hanging many a time. In fact, I think there was a note you sent about 3 months ago that I never replied to. And I didn't have much time this week either.

 

> Are things better with your computer?

 

I have a new...well not really NEW.... but a different laptop. It's cured the crashing, but I can't make any special cards or convert or write on photos anymore.

 

> I'm sure you'll be able to get your good stuff back.

 

Yeah, I am sure I will. None of it was very important.

 

 

> Exactly. She was still playing the lonely woman, it's just she was doing so from the older side. *The Proud Rebel* is a very tender, loving film.

 

I really liked it too. Surprising how many small movies and especially westerns are really good, that no one ever talks about.

 

 

> That's funny and deadly accurate. Those who are always handing out advice really are about themselves. One thing that I have learned in recent years is that if something goes wrong with yourself, people will often blame the things they don't like about you for the reasons you are hurting. And this points to what they are bothered by, so it's about them. People always think they are so darn perfect.

 

Isn't that the truth! It's usually their own idea of what you should be that propels that irritation with what you are not. Boy I hate that.

 

> If it's a choice between me and Miss G, you know who is right.

 

Yes, I sure do. ;D

 

> I'd say situation with Rosy. Her inexperience in life led to her crush and marriage. Her situation then produced the longing for passion. Now if she were to continue to have a need for new adventures and passion to make her happy, then it's her personality.

 

That's true, it's only over time and with different experiences that her personality will exhibit itself, which we really haven't seen. We've only seen her in one place.

 

 

> It's a very interesting question. We're all so different, but we can create broader outlines that can link some of us. There are definitely the types who are living for others. They need their attention, approval, and acceptance. That's Rosy's father. Those are the people that I usually dislike the most.

 

I'm like that!

 

> Rosy seemed like a good girl dreamer who was blinded by her crush and then started to actually live that daily life. Love is often more thrilling in the imagination of a young girl than reality. "We'll get married and have kids and be in love forever!" When described in the short fairy tale way, it sounds lovely. Now live it every day.

 

I think she was very much like her dad, living on images, or what people seemed like. But hopefully she found out that sometimes a man's soul or idea of romance lies a little deeper than the image he projects. I think Charles is a good example of this. He WAS more than just a boring guy. He had passion but he didn't display it for all to see.

 

> Charles was the kind of man he said he was. He was an unexciting man who enjoyed simple pleasures and the routine of daily living. A young girl often projects such a life to be thrilling, but after some years of it, reality sets in.

 

That's true, but I think it might be the same with anyone she married, even the young officer would have either bored her or would have been bored by her. You can't keep the excitement of the new in a marriage, What you can do is see the new in your mate, really look for it. I think she saw something new in Charles after the affair.

 

 

> To me, a person who hasn't experienced love, I feel love needs to have at its core a love to be with someone, to spend time with them, to enjoy talking with them.

 

I completely agree! It's absolutely the core of a relationship.

 

 

> As you pointed out, the place Rosy came from wasn't the best for finding friends. This isolated her. Then her life became lifeless with Charles. Can Rosy accept her marriage with Charles, one that is lacking in passion, or will she need this passion to be happy? Can she find a passion through others, one that could even enhance her passion for Charles? I feel she'll only come to love him more with time because the physical becomes less.

 

I think so too, and as I said before, she's only started to look at Charles. She may actually begin to see more in him than she saw before. A discomfort with passion doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On the contrary. But will he be able to find it in himself enough to please her? To let loose?

 

> Oh, no, no. I've been poorly explaining my issue with the past tragedy in *The Country Girl*. I understand such a tragedy creating a major rift in a marriage and with a person's self-esteem. The guilt is heavy. I liked all of that. I just didn't like how the tragedy was shown. It's such a small thing, and it didn't take away from my liking the film.

 

OK. I got it.

 

> It's an excellent collection:

>

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Guinness-Collection-Coronets-Lavender-Ladykillers/dp/B001LXIDUO/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1366417791&sr=1-1&keywords=alecguinnesscollection

 

Pretty much the cream of the crop!

 

> I just ordered it.

 

Woo hoo! Great! Have you see the others? I somehow thought you'd seen them all. I know you've seen The Ladykillers,

 

Here's how I like them, in order.

 

1. The Man In the White Suit

2. The Ladykillers

3. Kind Hearts and Coronets

4. The Lavender Hill Mob

5. Captain's Paradise

 

That doesn't mean I don't like CP, just that it comes in lower than the others. All of them are good.

 

> I completely agree. *Ryan's Daughter* ends and we really don't know how to feel about it. It's great. I think we both like films like that.

 

I think so too.

 

>Geez, Sense and Sensibility may actually be a Jane Austen story I'd like!

>

>

> WHAAAAAAAT???

>

>

> *Tell me about it!*

 

I really see a similarity to RD. I do almost think you would like it, at least the ideas in it. The one with Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet is excellent.

 

> It's all up to Rosy, now. She started off the marriage inexperienced. Well, she's gained a boatload of experience. Does this mature her?

 

I still think so, but I am a glass half full person, most of the time.

 

> Oh, I certainly wouldn't say that! I still feel I'm way behind most everyone. I'm probably more like a sophomore, today.

 

I don't know. It seems like you've seen so many I haven't.

 

> I'm looking forward to *The Strawberry Blonde*, but I do feel I won't like it nearly as much as you. So I'm going to be entering it with lowered expectations. That's a good thing.

 

It's taken me a long time to really love it. I liked it very much when I was young, then I decided I didn't. Now I love it. It's subtle in theme, while being broadly presented. I think this is why I like Walsh, he can be so funny and kind of BIG in comedy, but underneath is an achy quality, almost always. The pain of self realization. or maybe the pain of not quite ever realizing one's self.

 

> *I love it. It's my favorite mystery show. I like Ellery Queen too, with Jim Hutton.*

>

>

> You and your Jim Hutton!

 

He's very likable!

 

> I feel you are right. I do like the pleasantness of the young John Wayne, but his more mature roles brought greater complexity in his characters. When he's being "tortured," he's exceptional.

 

Very much so. Now that his politics are less in question I'm surprised that more people aren't changing their opinion of him.

 

> Those are terrific observations about Rene Clair. I do like the fantastical quite a bit. I'm a boyish dreamer, after all. And you're right about Clair's humor and fate. There is a lightness to both.

 

Yay! Something else we can agree on. I should rewatch Le Million and some of his others I haven't seen in a while. My most recent discovery is The Ghost Goes West. I really liked that one too.

 

Speaking of new, I also watched Heaven with a Barbed Wire Fence. I liked it a lot. You were right about Raymond Walburn. He's great. I've always liked him, even though it seems like he played only one role, I've found him very versatile.

 

> I can't imagine Graham (Laurence Olivier) and Anna (Simone Signoret) being at the same party! Maybe Graham would stop off at the pub after school or something and she worked there.

 

I was thinking at a school function or something, kind of like George and Martha in WAOVW. But you are probably closer to the truth.

 

 

> Hmmmmmmm... that has me wondering. It's on next Wednesday at eight.

 

It's a brilliant performance.

 

> Oh, good. I can see through that.

 

 

 

> That's a really good story... and lesson. Comedy is the hardest, without a doubt. There are so many senses of humor out there. And what can be funny for someone can absolutely annoy another.

 

Very true. Once you become too aware of yourself, it's hard to be funny. I think on some level you have to not care, to be funny.

 

 

> Ida does soft so terribly well. And Robert Ryan is such a threatening presence, but he almost always has a sympathetic side to him. The film really isn't a story, it's capturing a moment. That's partly why it didn't resonate as much to me, yet it really should. I like such studies.

 

I think part of my liking it is because I felt like I discovered it all by myself. I had no expectations.

 

 

> I'm curious to see why it's so bad!

 

Curiosity killed the cat.

[FrankGrimes]

*That's OK, I've left you hanging many a time. In fact, I think there was a note you sent about 3 months ago that I never replied to. And I didn't have much time this week either.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ohhh, don't worry about the messages. I've done that too many times to Quiet Gal! I think she just now says to herself, "that's him."

 

 

*I have a new...well not really NEW.... but a different laptop. It's cured the crashing, but I can't make any special cards or convert or write on photos anymore.*

 

 

Really? There are no programs included that can do that for you?

 

 

I'm an idiot when it comes to not wanting to give up a good program for a lesser one. If I were to get a new computer, I'd have to find a way to keep my Windows Media Player, which is 9, I believe. The newer ones don't take caps as easily.

 

 

*Yeah, I am sure I will. None of it was very important.*

 

 

I always have a tough time "letting go."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*I really liked it too. Surprising how many small movies and especially westerns are really good, that no one ever talks about.*

 

 

I can't remember if I watched *The Proud Rebel* because of you or Miss G. I believe it was your suggestion. It's such a sweet film. It's certainly overlooked. Probably because it's too sweet a film in a masculine genre.

 

 

*Isn't that the truth! It's usually their own idea of what you should be that propels that irritation with what you are not. Boy I hate that.*

 

 

You said it. I'm always amazed by how many people think their way is the only way and the best/right way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*That's true, it's only over time and with different experiences that her personality will exhibit itself, which we really haven't seen. We've only seen her in one place.*

 

 

You've got it.

 

 

*It's a very interesting question. We're all so different, but we can create broader outlines that can link some of us. There are definitely the types who are living for others. They need their attention, approval, and acceptance. That's Rosy's father. Those are the people that I usually dislike the most.*

 

 

*I'm like that!*

 

 

Maybe at first, but you eventually speak your mind. Must I bring up *Wagon Master* being Ford-lite?! If you are comfortable, you'll be yourself.

 

 

*I think she was very much like her dad, living on images, or what people seemed like. But hopefully she found out that sometimes a man's soul or idea of romance lies a little deeper than the image he projects. I think Charles is a good example of this. He WAS more than just a boring guy. He had passion but he didn't display it for all to see.*

 

 

His passion was a quiet, reserved passion. He's the committed type, the guy who will always stand by you. When Charles came back from London, he stopped by to visit his first wife's grave. And now he's standing by Rosy's "grave." But can they find a way to live? A shared kind of living.

 

 

*That's true, but I think it might be the same with anyone she married, even the young officer would have either bored her or would have been bored by her. You can't keep the excitement of the new in a marriage, What you can do is see the new in your mate, really look for it. I think she saw something new in Charles after the affair.*

 

 

Remember, Father Collins (Trevor Howard) mentioned the flesh and Rosy was frightened and excited by this, like most young women. Then when the big moment happens, Charles just does his "duty" and it's all over in a blink. So what she was highly anticipating ended up being a huge letdown. From then on, I'm not sure how much love-making occurred between the two of them. And if it did, it would have been the same as their wedding night. Charles is loyal and caring but he doesn't know how to make love. Doryan ends up fulfilling Rosy's desires of the flesh. And when either sex is being fulfilled in that area, you end up wanting more and more.

 

 

*I think so too, and as I said before, she's only started to look at Charles. She may actually begin to see more in him than she saw before. A discomfort with passion doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On the contrary. But will he be able to find it in himself enough to please her? To let loose?*

 

 

We can only change who we are so much. You can't make a turtle fast. Charles isn't going to become Don Juan. He can improve his love-making with some help from Rosy. But if Rosy is expecting him to become Doryan, she's going to be forever disappointed.

 

 

Charles had serious reservations about Rosy's love and being with her. He knew what kind of love she had for him. But he took the chance on her. He knew exactly what he was getting into.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Woo hoo! Great! Have you see the others? I somehow thought you'd seen them all. I know you've seen The Ladykillers,*

 

 

Am I talking with Miss G?! I haven't seen *The Ladykillers*. I haven't seen the Coens' version, either. I haven't seen any of the films in the collection.

 

 

*Here's how I like them, in order.*

 

 

*1. The Man In the White Suit*

*2. The Ladykillers*

*3. Kind Hearts and Coronets*

*4. The Lavender Hill Mob*

*5. Captain's Paradise*

 

 

*That doesn't mean I don't like CP, just that it comes in lower than the others. All of them are good.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fantastic! This collection will guarantee me some films to discuss with you. I like Alec as an actor. Will I like the British productions? That's the question.

 

 

*I really see a similarity to RD. I do almost think you would like it, at least the ideas in it. The one with Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet is excellent.*

 

 

It's the ideas I'd be drawn to, for sure. But Austen packaging is tough for me to swallow.

 

 

*I don't know. It seems like you've seen so many I haven't.*

 

 

I'd say only with film noir, westerns, and German Expressionism. You've seen many more comedies and dramas, especially from the 30s.

 

 

How about we do an exercise I just recently did with Miss G? I'm going to list the top 50 films (from IMDb) from a given year. The ones in bold will be the ones I haven't seen. Count up how many you've seen. Now you are not to count films you've seen just some of. You have to have watched the film from start to finish. I'll pick your decade of the 30s, but I'll go late. I'll go with 1938.

 

 

1. Bringing Up Baby

2. The Adventures of Robin Hood

3. The Lady Vanishes

4. Angels with Dirty Faces

5. You Can't Take It with You

*6. Jezebel*

*7. Alexander Nevsky*

8. Holiday

*9. Pygmalion*

*10. Boys Town*

*11. Marie Antoinette*

*12. Port of Shadows*

13. La Bete Humaine

*14. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer*

15. A Christmas Carol

*16. The Citadel*

*17. My Bill*

*18. Blond Cheat*

19. Room Service

20. Algiers

*21. Fast Company*

22. The Dawn Patrol

*23. Block-Heads*

*24. The Amazing Clitterhouse*

*25. Bluebeard's Eighth Wife*

*26. Joy of Living*

*27. The Shining Hour*

28. Carefree

*29. Three Comrades*

*30. Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm*

*31. Child Bride*

*32. The Terror of Tiny Town*

*33. Sex Madness*

*34. The Toy Wife*

35. Vivacious Lady

*36. Man-Proof*

*37. The Affairs of Annabel*

*38. Alexander's Ragtime Band*

*39. The Baker's Wife*

40. The Divorce of Lady X

*41. Hotel du Nord*

*42. The Great Waltz*

43. Test Pilot

*44. Blondie*

*45. Love Finds Andy Hardy*

46. You and Me

47. The Adventures of Marco Polo

48. The Cowboy and the Lady

*49. Five of a Kind*

50. A Slight Case of Murder

 

 

I've only seen 19 of those films. There are three exploitation films on the list.

 

 

If you wanted to replace those, the next three films are ones I haven't seen:

 

 

Four Daughters

The Big Broadcast of 1938

Topper Takes a Trip

 

 

I'm guessing you've seen at least 30 of those films.

 

 

*It's taken me a long time to really love it. I liked it very much when I was young, then I decided I didn't. Now I love it. It's subtle in theme, while being broadly presented. I think this is why I like Walsh, he can be so funny and kind of BIG in comedy, but underneath is an achy quality, almost always. The pain of self realization. or maybe the pain of not quite ever realizing one's self.*

 

 

I'll be curious to see this kind of pain. My favorite pain in all of Walsh's films is when Roy (High Sierra) is crushed by Velma (Joan Leslie).

 

 

*Very much so. Now that his politics are less in question I'm surprised that more people aren't changing their opinion of him.*

 

 

Ha! That would actually mean they'd have to change. How many people change when they are older? It wasn't Wayne's politics that had me thinking he wasn't for me. It was that I thought he was a "my way or highway" guy on film. I've learned he's not. I think he does humor and romance very well.

 

 

*Yay! Something else we can agree on. I should rewatch Le Million and some of his others I haven't seen in a while. My most recent discovery is The Ghost Goes West. I really liked that one too.*

 

 

I'm looking to watch *Le Millon* before the month is out. I never heard of *The Ghost Goes West*.

 

 

*Speaking of new, I also watched Heaven with a Barbed Wire Fence. I liked it a lot. You were right about Raymond Walburn. He's great. I've always liked him, even though it seems like he played only one role, I've found him very versatile.*

 

 

Wonderful! He's so wise, kind, and considerate in that film. I always think of Walburn playing a "Yosemite Sam" character in *Christmas in July*, so I was amazed to see him another way.

 

 

*Very true. Once you become too aware of yourself, it's hard to be funny. I think on some level you have to not care, to be funny.*

 

 

It really does end up being about personal funny bones. An overacting ham can be hilarious to some and completely horrible to another. There are so many styles of comedy.

 

 

*I think part of my liking it is because I felt like I discovered it all by myself. I had no expectations.*

 

 

I was aware of the film because it's Robert Ryan and on the film noir list I've been using.

 

 

*Curiosity killed the cat.*

 

 

Yeah, but what does it do to us rats?

[SansFin]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}

> I can't make any special cards or convert or write on photos anymore.

 

I am sorry to say that I do not know what "special cards" means but I do know a quick and stable little program which does conversions between many file formats. It has a feature to add text to images also. It is: Irfanview and it is available at:

http://www.irfanview.com/

I have found it to be a very wonderful little program which does not do all things in the manner of Gimp but it does beautifully what it does do. The download and installation are very simple and easy.

 

The features of it which I use most often are:

JPG Lossless Crop

Adjust saturation or contrast

Batch crop/conversion/rename

Save with a maximum file size you can set

 

Its file icon is odd but in all other ways it is very much perfect for what it does.

[JackFavell]

> Ohhh, don't worry about the messages. I've done that too many times to Quiet Gal! I think she just now says to herself, "that's him."

 

Haha! Thanks. Now I don't feel that nagging feeling that I forgot something in the back of my mind.

 

 

> Really? There are no programs included that can do that for you?

 

It may but I haven't found them yet.

 

> I'm an idiot when it comes to not wanting to give up a good program for a lesser one. If I were to get a new computer, I'd have to find a way to keep my Windows Media Player, which is 9, I believe. The newer ones don't take caps as easily.

 

I haven't been able to do caps for a year or so. My old laptop's disc player stopped working back then.

 

> I always have a tough time "letting go."

 

Me too. I didn't want to, but I couldn't stand the crashing.

 

> I can't remember if I watched *The Proud Rebel* because of you or Miss G. I believe it was your suggestion. It's such a sweet film. It's certainly overlooked. Probably because it's too sweet a film in a masculine genre.

 

I am quite sure it was Miss G. She was the inspiration for me to watch it in the first place.

 

> You said it. I'm always amazed by how many people think their way is the only way and the best/right way.

 

I think that's my biggest pet peeve, I can't stand people who constantly tell you how great they are or tell you what to do all the time. I can't bear it. As if you had no brain.

 

> Maybe at first, but you eventually speak your mind. Must I bring up *Wagon Master* being Ford-lite?! If you are comfortable, you'll be yourself.

 

Oh yeah. I'm fairly open as a person, there is nothing in my life that I feel I need to hide. But for years I hid my soul because I felt different from other people, or bad or something. So I became a hider especially when under someone's strong willed stare. My likes and dislikes are tender things, and I don't want someone running roughshod over them.

 

> His passion was a quiet, reserved passion. He's the committed type, the guy who will always stand by you. When Charles came back from London, he stopped by to visit his first wife's grave. And now he's standing by Rosy's "grave." But can they find a way to live? A shared kind of living.

 

That's good! They have to get to know one another again.

 

> Remember, Father Collins (Trevor Howard) mentioned the flesh and Rosy was frightened and excited by this, like most young women. Then when the big moment happens, Charles just does his "duty" and it's all over in a blink. So what she was highly anticipating ended up being a huge letdown. From then on, I'm not sure how much love-making occurred between the two of them. And if it did, it would have been the same as their wedding night. Charles is loyal and caring but he doesn't know how to make love. Doryan ends up fulfilling Rosy's desires of the flesh. And when either sex is being fulfilled in that area, you end up wanting more and more.

 

That's very true. Are you a Rosy? Or a Charles? Or someone else? I guess I'm both. Maybe we are all both.

 

> We can only change who we are so much. You can't make a turtle fast. Charles isn't going to become Don Juan. He can improve his love-making with some help from Rosy. But if Rosy is expecting him to become Doryan, she's going to be forever disappointed.

 

That's so true. She has to lead, but then some people don't want to be in that position. It takes the excitement out of things. I don't think she can live without some excitement in her life. It's too much to ask.

 

> Charles had serious reservations about Rosy's love and being with her. He knew what kind of love she had for him. But he took the chance on her. He knew exactly what he was getting into.

 

I think he let himself in for it, but he deluded himself just a bit.

 

> Am I talking with Miss G?! I haven't seen *The Ladykillers*. I haven't seen the Coens' version, either. I haven't seen any of the films in the collection.

 

OH MY GOSH! You have a treat coming. These are all favorites for me.

 

 

> Fantastic! This collection will guarantee me some films to discuss with you. I like Alec as an actor. Will I like the British productions? That's the question.

 

I can only think of one you might not like, as far as the background and production is concerned. But I still think you will enjoy it.

 

> It's the ideas I'd be drawn to, for sure. But Austen packaging is tough for me to swallow.

 

You can take it!

 

> I'd say only with film noir, westerns, and German Expressionism. You've seen many more comedies and dramas, especially from the 30s.

 

Maybe so. but that's still 3 genres to 2.

 

> How about we do an exercise I just recently did with Miss G? I'm going to list the top 50 films (from IMDb) from a given year. The ones in bold will be the ones I haven't seen. Count up how many you've seen. Now you are not to count films you've seen just some of. You have to have watched the film from start to finish. I'll pick your decade of the 30s, but I'll go late. I'll go with 1938.

>

>

> 1. Bringing Up Baby

> 2. The Adventures of Robin Hood

> 3. The Lady Vanishes

> 4. Angels with Dirty Faces

> 5. You Can't Take It with You

> *6. Jezebel*

> *7. Alexander Nevsky*

> 8. Holiday

> *9. Pygmalion*

> *10. Boys Town*

> *11. Marie Antoinette*

> *12. Port of Shadows*

> 13. La Bete Humaine

> *14. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer*

> 15. A Christmas Carol

> *16. The Citadel*

> *17. My Bill*

> *18. Blond Cheat*

> 19. Room Service

> 20. Algiers

> *21. Fast Company*

> 22. The Dawn Patrol

> *23. Block-Heads*

> *24. The Amazing Clitterhouse*

> *25. Bluebeard's Eighth Wife*

> *26. Joy of Living*

> *27. The Shining Hour*

> 28. Carefree

> *29. Three Comrades*

> *30. Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm*

> *31. Child Bride*

> *32. The Terror of Tiny Town*

> *33. Sex Madness*

> *34. The Toy Wife*

> 35. Vivacious Lady

> *36. Man-Proof*

> *37. The Affairs of Annabel*

> *38. Alexander's Ragtime Band*

> *39. The Baker's Wife*

> 40. The Divorce of Lady X

> *41. Hotel du Nord*

> *42. The Great Waltz*

> 43. Test Pilot

> *44. Blondie*

> *45. Love Finds Andy Hardy*

> 46. You and Me

> 47. The Adventures of Marco Polo

> 48. The Cowboy and the Lady

> *49. Five of a Kind*

> 50. A Slight Case of Murder

>

>

> I've only seen 19 of those films. There are three exploitation films on the list.

>

>

> If you wanted to replace those, the next three films are ones I haven't seen:

>

>

> Four Daughters

> The Big Broadcast of 1938

> Topper Takes a Trip

>

>

> I'm guessing you've seen at least 30 of those films.

 

 

Whew! OK. I'll give it a try. Are these to be in my order of preference?

 

 

> *It's taken me a long time to really love it. I liked it very much when I was young, then I decided I didn't. Now I love it. It's subtle in theme, while being broadly presented. I think this is why I like Walsh, he can be so funny and kind of BIG in comedy, but underneath is an achy quality, almost always. The pain of self realization. or maybe the pain of not quite ever realizing one's self.*

>

>

> I'll be curious to see this kind of pain. My favorite pain in all of Walsh's films is when Roy (High Sierra) is crushed by Velma (Joan Leslie).

 

Well, you'll never beat Roy in High Sierra. It's Walsh's best film. But you will find that same thing in several of his films. His heroes are all somewhat unrealized. They have never really gotten to the place they want to be, even if that place is simple. It's not ambition I'm talking about, it's that dream of happiness. The world won't really let them be happy. Happiness for them is a bit of a delusion, one that sometimes brings them down.

 

> Ha! That would actually mean they'd have to change. How many people change when they are older? It wasn't Wayne's politics that had me thinking he wasn't for me. It was that I thought he was a "my way or highway" guy on film. I've learned he's not. I think he does humor and romance very well.

 

I put those two things together in my mind. "My way or the highway' and political conservatism went hand in hand for me. Now I realize that I misjudged it all. even his politics I misjudged. I guess that's what happens when you JUDGE.

 

> I'm looking to watch *Le Millon* before the month is out. I never heard of *The Ghost Goes West*.

 

 

It has your favorite, Robert Donat. It's from 1935.

 

> Wonderful! He's so wise, kind, and considerate in that film. I always think of Walburn playing a "Yosemite Sam" character in *Christmas in July*, so I was amazed to see him another way.

 

Yes, but then he also plays the butler in *Mr. Deeds Goes to Town.* He's incredibly subtle in that one. It's hilarious.

 

> It really does end up being about personal funny bones. An overacting ham can be hilarious to some and completely horrible to another. There are so many styles of comedy.

 

Agreed.

 

> Curiosity killed the cat.

>

>

> Yeah, but what does it do to us rats?

 

I don't know. Let's do the experiment. You may think it's so ridiculous that you enjoy it.

[JackFavell]

Thanks Sansfin, I'll check into it.

 

Special cards was just what I call the photos I make for people's birthdays or special occasions.

[FrankGrimes]

Howdy, Denver! -- *Haha! Thanks. Now I don't feel that nagging feeling that I forgot something in the back of my mind. *

 

I always have that feeling!

 

*I haven't been able to do caps for a year or so. My old laptop's disc player stopped working back then.*

 

 

So now you should be able to do caps again, right?

 

 

*Me too. I didn't want to, but I couldn't stand the crashing.*

 

 

That would push me to change, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*I am quite sure it was Miss G. She was the inspiration for me to watch it in the first place.*

 

 

Not her, again!

*I think that's my biggest pet peeve, I can't stand people who constantly tell you how great they are or tell you what to do all the time. I can't bear it. As if you had no brain.*

 

 

 

And why I hate it is actually different than why you do. I hate that they think they're way is always the right way. Such vanity.

 

 

*Oh yeah. :DI'm fairly open as a person, there is nothing in my life that I feel I need to hide.*

 

 

Ha! We all have things we hide. Some big, many small.

 

 

*But for years I hid my soul because I felt different from other people, or bad or something. So I became a hider especially when under someone's strong willed stare.*

 

 

The hider and the runner. I'm the same. I don't always share my feelings because I feel it isn't worth doing so with most people. I'll only let so many people "in."

 

 

*My likes and dislikes are tender things, and I don't want someone running roughshod over them.*

 

 

And I'm that horrible tenderizer!

 

 

*That's good! They have to get to know one another again.*

 

 

But it's under a pained circumstance. Charles will always be loyal, but does he trust her? Charles is going to emotionally hide... a lot. I'm sure Rosy is going to sit on her feelings, too.

 

 

*That's very true. Are you a Rosy? Or a Charles? Or someone else? I guess I'm both. Maybe we are all both.*

 

 

I'm definitely both. I'm very loyal and committed, so that makes me a "Charles." But I'm also a serious dreamer, which makes me a "Rosy." I'd say I'm romantic, like Rosy. But I'm not a Don Juan. I'm not a guy who is gonna just do his chores and turn in, like Charles. I'm a talker. I need verbal stimulation. Unless I'm watching a big game! And I'm all about simple pleasures, like Charles.

 

 

*That's so true. She has to lead, but then some people don't want to be in that position. It takes the excitement out of things. I don't think she can live without some excitement in her life. It's too much to ask.*

 

 

I have found most women, no matter how liberated they view themselves, want a man to lead. They find it to be more romantic. But so many of us guys are horrible with this. I'm dreadful! I need to be kicked in the tail... forever. Subtle hints only go so far with me. I need to be clobbered on the head. And many women don't like doing this. Well, until you're married!

*I think he let himself in for it, but he deluded himself just a bit.*

 

 

Absolutely. We men definitely have huge egos, and it's terribly flattering to have a girl tell you that they are madly in love with you. And with Charles, he's not one to pursue, so when a girl is pursuing you, it really makes you think. I'm similar to Charles with that, as well. Charles wanted to be loved just as much as Rosy wanted to experience love. It's just they were coming at from two different perspectives in life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*OH MY GOSH! You have a treat coming. These are all favorites for me. I can only think of one you might not like, as far as the background and production is concerned. But I still think you will enjoy it.*

 

 

Fantastic! I'm glad I'll have some "Jackie" options.

 

 

*You can take it!*

 

 

It can't be worse than *Pride and Prejudice*.

 

 

*Maybe so. but that's still 3 genres to 2.*

 

 

But you have seen many more American silents than I have German Expressionism, so that again pushes you ahead.

 

 

*Whew! OK. I'll give it a try. Are these to be in my order of preference?*

 

 

No, no, no. All I want you to do is add up how many of those films you have seen. Maybe you can tell us what the highest ranking films you haven't seen are, too.

 

 

My top ten films from 1938:

 

 

1. Sidewalks of London (not in IMDb's top 50)

2. The Lady Vanishes

3. Holiday

4. Test Pilot

5. Room Service

6. The Dawn Patrol

7. Spawn of the North (not in IMDb's top 50)

8. You Can't Take It with You

9. Algiers

10. The Adventures of Robin Hood

 

 

*Well, you'll never beat Roy in High Sierra. It's Walsh's best film. But you will find that same thing in several of his films. His heroes are all somewhat unrealized. They have never really gotten to the place they want to be, even if that place is simple. It's not ambition I'm talking about, it's that dream of happiness. The world won't really let them be happy. Happiness for them is a bit of a delusion, one that sometimes brings them down.*

 

 

That's very good! You'd think I'd love Walsh after reading your description of his protagonists.

 

 

*I put those two things together in my mind. "My way or the highway' and political conservatism went hand in hand for me. Now I realize that I misjudged it all. even his politics I misjudged. I guess that's what happens when you JUDGE.*

 

 

When I see Wayne away from the big screen talking about politics and religion, I don't like him that much. But on screen, I think he's superb. I'm an old-fashioned guy who leads a conservative life. But my mind is quite liberal. I just happen to love the old-fashioned ways of romance and courting and Duke is usually terrific with that. And I also like his kind of romantic passion, too. But you see what I'm focusing on? What I like about Wayne isn't what most guys like about him. They prefer his telling the bad guys how it's gonna be. That's why I feel most of Wayne's fans love him. But it's the tenderness and humor of Duke that won me over.

 

 

*It has your favorite, Robert Donat. It's from 1935.*

 

 

Donat is the ghost who goes west?!

 

 

*Yes, but then he also plays the butler in Mr. Deeds Goes to Town. He's incredibly subtle in that one. It's hilarious.*

 

 

And I barely remember him in that one!

 

 

*I don't know. Let's do the experiment. You may think it's so ridiculous that you enjoy it. *

 

 

I highly doubt that!

[JackFavell]

> So now you should be able to do caps again, right?

 

yeah, I just realized I may be able to watch dvd's here now too.

 

 

> Not her, again!

 

Always.

 

 

> And why I hate it is actually different than why you do. I hate that they think they're way is always the right way. Such vanity.

 

That actually bugs me too, so I totally understand. I am a more out-of-the-box thinker anyway, maybe because I am a classic film watcher. It's definitely not your run of the mill thing to do, and it defines me in a way that not much else does. Anyway, I think dreamers are looked down on, generally speaking, by the majority of people. They are 'weird' or 'different', so I get a lot of people, some of whom are nice in every other way, telling me that the things I think are 'weird'. This is about the only place I feel I can say what I think without getting told how to be different from who I am.

 

> Ha! We all have things we hide. Some big, many small.

 

Yes, but there is nothing I've done in my life that I can't talk about. I couldn't be blackmailed. I'm not proud of everything I've done, some of it was stupid, but I am not ashamed of anything I've done. I'm more ashamed of who I am inside (though less and less over the years). This is why I love Curse of the Cat People. I am Ann Carter. I don't understand others, and they don't understand me. Imagine her growing up different like that, still believing in imaginary friends... that's me, though I learned my lesson over time, don't reveal that softness. Blanche Dubois is another character I can relate to strongly. I'm a tender person on the inside, I have nothing to hide but that tenderness.

 

> The hider and the runner. I'm the same. I don't always share my feelings because I feel it isn't worth doing so with most people. I'll only let so many people "in."

 

same here. I've always felt we were alike. The ramblers here I can really feel a kinship to because I know you all won't hurt me.

 

 

> And I'm that horrible tenderizer!

 

Only every once in a while do you put out the spikes! I think you are more about pushing to get me to fess up to my weirdness cause it's really not bad.

 

 

> But it's under a pained circumstance. Charles will always be loyal, but does he trust her? Charles is going to emotionally hide... a lot. I'm sure Rosy is going to sit on her feelings, too.

 

But on the other hand, they are alone together now. They need one another to talk to. And they have shared experience. Very powerful for bringing them together.

 

> I'm definitely both. I'm very loyal and committed, so that makes me a "Charles." But I'm also a serious dreamer, which makes me a "Rosy." I'd say I'm romantic, like Rosy. But I'm not a Don Juan. I'm not a guy who is gonna just do his chores and turn in, like Charles. I'm a talker. I need verbal stimulation. Unless I'm watching a big game! And I'm all about simple pleasures, like Charles.

 

Gosh, you could have just described me! Except for the big game. I do need quiet time, but maybe it's because I don't have the outlet of talking much anymore. None of my friends here are talkers.

 

> I have found most women, no matter how liberated they view themselves, want a man to lead. They find it to be more romantic. But so many of us guys are horrible with this. I'm dreadful! I need to be kicked in the tail... forever. Subtle hints only go so far with me. I need to be clobbered on the head. And many women don't like doing this. Well, until you're married!

 

It can be romantic to take charge. Look at Lisa Fremont!

 

Being pursued is great. Pursuing can be great too. It's day to day living that's hard.

 

 

> Fantastic! I'm glad I'll have some "Jackie" options.

 

Well, these are some of my very favorite films. I have most of these practically memorized.

 

I shot an arrow into the air

it fell to earth in Berkeley Square

 

> It can't be worse than *Pride and Prejudice*.

 

Exactly!

 

 

> But you have seen many more American silents than I have German Expressionism, so that again pushes you ahead.

 

Well.....maybe. I do like silents a lot. But I haven't seen nearly as many as most of the guys who hang out down in the silents forum.

 

> No, no, no. All I want you to do is add up how many of those films you have seen. Maybe you can tell us what the highest ranking films you haven't seen are, too.

 

Maybe I can try to do them in order. If I do a couple, I can probably rank the rest without too much trouble.

 

> My top ten films from 1938:

>

>

> 1. Sidewalks of London (not in IMDb's top 50)

> 2. The Lady Vanishes

> 3. Holiday

> 4. Test Pilot

> 5. Room Service

> 6. The Dawn Patrol

> 7. Spawn of the North (not in IMDb's top 50)

> 8. You Can't Take It with You

> 9. Algiers

> 10. The Adventures of Robin Hood

 

 

Wow! I'm so surprised that Robin Hood came in so high! I thought you didn't like it. Or is it that you hate the thirties a lot?

 

> That's very good! You'd think I'd love Walsh after reading your description of his protagonists.

 

I think you will, but sporadically. He directed a lot, but only a few of his films really exhibit his personality. The others are either less well done, due to inferior actors and scripts, or they are just work jobs.

 

 

> When I see Wayne away from the big screen talking about politics and religion, I don't like him that much. But on screen, I think he's superb. I'm an old-fashioned guy who leads a conservative life. But my mind is quite liberal. I just happen to love the old-fashioned ways of romance and courting and Duke is usually terrific with that. And I also like his kind of romantic passion, too. But you see what I'm focusing on? What I like about Wayne isn't what most guys like about him. They prefer his telling the bad guys how it's gonna be. That's why I feel most of Wayne's fans love him. But it's the tenderness and humor of Duke that won me over.

 

Me too! It's funny, he's so multi-dimensional when you really look at his work, very very.... vulnerable, actually. It's surprising.

 

 

> Donat is the ghost who goes west?!

 

Yes, he's the ancestor of the modern day Donat. So it's a double role. In fact, he competes against his ancestor for the lady's heart.

 

> And I barely remember him in that one!

 

You should take a look one more time. It's hilarious how he acts. But very different. I only noticed him in the film recently and was very surprised at what he does. It's very different from Yosemite Sam.

[JackFavell]

1. *Bringing Up Baby*

2. *The Adventures of Robin Hood*

3. *The Lady Vanishes*

4. *Angels with Dirty Faces*

5. *You Can't Take It with You*

6. *Jezebel*

7. *Alexander Nevsky*

8. *Holiday*

9. *Pygmalion*

10. *Boys Town*

11. *Marie Antoinette*

12. *Port of Shadows*

13. La Bete Humaine

14. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

15. *A Christmas Carol*

16. *The Citadel*

17. My Bill

18. Blond Cheat

19. *Room Service*

20. *Algiers*

21. Fast Company

22. The Dawn Patrol

23. *Block-Heads*

24. *The Amazing Clitterhouse*

25. Bluebeard's Eighth Wife

26. *Joy of Living*

27. *The Shining Hour*

28. *Carefree*

29. *Three Comrades*

30. Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm

31. Child Bride

32. The Terror of Tiny Town

33. Sex Madness

34. *The Toy Wife*

35. *Vivacious Lady*

36. *Man-Proof*

37. The Affairs of Annabel

38. *Alexander's Ragtime Band*

39. The Baker's Wife

40. *The Divorce of Lady X*

41. Hotel du Nord

42. *The Great Waltz*

43. *Test Pilot*

44. Blondie

45. *Love Finds Andy Hardy*

46. You and Me

47. The Adventures of Marco Polo

48. *The Cowboy and the Lady*

49. Five of a Kind

50. A Slight Case of Murder

 

 

 

*Four Daughters*

The Big Broadcast of 1938

*Topper Takes a Trip*

 

Oops! I just realized that I put the ones I HAD seen in bold, the opposite of what you did.

 

I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the ones I didn't mark, but it's been so long it doesn't count. I'm quite sure I've seen *Marco Polo* and *Blondie* sometime in my life, maybe even more than once, but it would be like watching for the first time right now.

 

I've seen part of *La Bete Humaine*. I've seen *The Dawn Patrol,* but not at one sitting.

 

I get Eddie G's late 30's gangster movies mixed up. I don't have any idea if I've seen *A Slight Case of Murder.*

 

Now here are the ones I've seen in order of my preference:

 

*Pygmalion* (this is in my top five movies of all time)

*The Adventures of Robin Hood*

*Block-Heads*

*Holiday*

*The Lady Vanishes*

*Test Pilot*

*The Divorce of Lady X*

*Room Service*

*Carefree*

*Alexander Nevsky*

*Port of Shadows*

*The Amazing Dr. Clitterhouse*

*A Christmas Carol*

*Alexander's Ragtime Band*

*Bringing Up Baby*

*Angels with Dirty Faces*

*Algiers*

*The Cowboy and the Lady*

*Man-Proof*

*Joy of Living*

*Topper Takes a Trip*

*Jezebel*

*Four Daughters*

*Three Comrades*

*The Citadel*

*The Shining Hour*

*Love Finds Andy Hardy*

*Vivacious Lady*

*Boys Town*

*Marie Antoinette*

*You Can't Take It with You*

*The Adventures of Tom Sawyer*

*The Toy Wife*

*The Great Waltz*

 

 

If I were to add in *The Dawn Patrol*, it would go in at number 10.

 

 

I'd LOVE to see *The Baker's Wife*. It's one I've debated paying for. I really REALLY love Raimu the actor and Pagnol the writer/director. They did *the Fanny Trilogy* as well. Oh wow, I bet you haven't seen those three movies! They are WONDERFUL. You will like Pagnol, I'm almost positive.

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Apr 21, 2013 5:03 PM

[Bronxgirl48]

> Yes, you are very literate. Poe and Lovecraft is a great combination. My brother really likes them, as well. I've never been a reader. But if I were to read, I'd go with Poe.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bonjour, Francois!

 

 

Lovecraft will really blow your mind, though!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> The only time I saw Bob in a serious role was Critic's Choice. He was mean in that one.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bob is wonderful in THE SEVEN LITTLE FOYS. I love the way he handles the dramatic parts, never really seeking audience sympathy, but simply acknowledging some of the father's less admirable qualities while still making him humanly understandable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Plato (Sal Mineo) is definitely the one I feel for in Rebel Without a Cause. He was the one who was hurting the most. I can't say I go for James Dean, but he's definitely different. He really stands out.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really want to see more of Sal's work. He's probably underrated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I actually don't have that one, yet. "Veddy British" always worries me, though.>

 

 

 

 

And for me, that's the best! Upstairs or down, doesn't matter -- they always have me at teatime.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> They do make an interesting couple. I still prefer The 39 Steps, above all.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love Madeline Carroll with Bob -- the Hitch prototype "love/hate" couple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> What's really sad is that I now like seeing Max Showalter in a cast. I don't know what happened!>

 

 

 

 

I don't know, either. Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> A Slight Case of Murder, a film I just recently watched, is Eddie G. in a Runyon pic.>

 

 

 

I get a lot of those mixed up, and they tend to have Broderick Crawford in them also. (not that that's a bad thing)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I haven't seen that one. Is that a film an Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode is based on?>

 

 

 

 

No, THE LATE GEORGE APLEY was written by John Marquand (also originated Mr. Moto!), who among other novels adapted for film, wrote H.M. PULHAM, ESQ. (Robert Young and Hedy Lamarr) Gentle but pointed satires on Old Money Northeast types. The confusion with a t.v. Hitch episode is understandable because I think there's one with a similar title ("Late" something...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I like Lubitsch's "Ruritania.">

 

 

 

I still don't like the setting (all those women with the lace collars, lol) even as I admire his genius.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I like Hitch, Sherlock, the Archers, and Lean. I'm going to give Alec Guinness a looksee. I'm also curious about Peter Sellers.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alec can get a little (or a lot) starchy for me.

Peter's an acquired taste.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I'd be frightened to see a clown at midnight! What are they doing performing at that hour?!>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But did you see the Pierre Etaix mini-fest? (YOYO was very good) A lot like Tati in many respects. He's one clown I could welcome into my home at that hour, ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> What a memory! All of that is spot on.>

 

 

 

Bela is so handsome as Roxor, sigh....But how did the censors get away with June Lang at the auction? No complaints on your part, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> That's very understandable. It did throw me a little seeing Jack in such a heavy role.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do think Lemmon does an excellent job as Joe, though. You could understand how with his unstable show-biz upbringing, he yearned for a more grounded life.

 

 

Got to go now -- Duane is taking me out to dinner at The Cheesecake Factory.

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Apr 21, 2013 5:19 PM

[JackFavell]

That's funny! I swear, we posted at the same time that we both got Eddie G's late thirties gangster comedies mixed up! Too funny!

 

I fell instantly in love with Pierre Etaix. YoYo was grand.

[Bronxgirl48]

Haahahahaaaaa!! Two great minds...

 

I also instantly fell for Pierre!!!

 

Somehow, in addition to Broderick, Horace McMahon comes into my head. Or am I confusing him with Ed Brophy? Oy!

[JackFavell]

Ha, Ed Brophy's in all of them too...

 

you stumped me with Horace McMahon! I had to look up his picture....and he does look like a cross between them!

 

I know one of the Eddie films has Brod AND Ed, who would have made a great TV pair I think. Allen Jenkins was in at least 2 Eddie films, but not the one with Brod and Ed, at least I don't think so, lol. Then again, maybe he was....? Barton MacLane's in one, and then...well....there's Bogie...

[MissGoddess]

From the 1938 list of the ones you have not seen, I'd definitely

recommend *Jezebel* though I can't see you liking it much. Thank

heavens it has George Brent in a surprisingly "Rhett Butler" type role.

Fonda's character makes Ashley Wilkes look like...Rhett Butler.

 

I can't say any of the others (that you haven't seen) thrill me. The

foreign ones I have not yet seen.

 

If you are looking for more to watch I found yet another little "sweet"

film, unexpectedly, on YouTube. It has the boring title Chicago

Calling (1951), so it's no wonder I never saw it. It was only when I

caught Dan Duryea's name attached that I figured I would give it shot,

in case it was an underrated film noir like *The Burglar*, in which he

was so brilliant. He continues to amaze me with his depth as a really

feeling actor. He broke my heart in this little "B" movie which

could have been more aptly titled: Did You Ever Have One of

Those Days?. It is something in the vein of *It's a Wonderful Life*

and even *Heaven With a Barbed Wire Fence*, in that you find

humanity and friendship in unexpected people and ways. The ending

had me bawling. I recommend this little movie to all the Ramblers

here....I think Jackie and Rohanaka would like it, too. (Bronxie, I have

to warn you, there is a little boy in it, lol....however it is not all

sweetness and lite).

 

*Chicago Calling*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSpiuaspc6U

 

The kind of movie that gets swept aside, but worth giving it a try.

 

[JackFavell]

You had me at Dan Duryea....

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}You had me at Dan Duryea....

 

 

Call me crazy, but it even gave me some of the same feeling as *The Bicycle Thief*, that feeling of post-war desperation. Most of it is shot on location, too.

[Bronxgirl48]

I love Dan Duryea! Even an urchin wouldn't stop me!

[Bronxgirl48]

LOL I could definitely see Brod and Ed in a '50's sitcom where they play brothers who are retired NYC process servers or something. Who could play the wives, let me see....two Lynns come to mind -- Lynn Bari and Lynn Baggett, I don't know why.

 

I also used to confuse Horace with another cauliflower-face type whose name for the life I me I can't think of. He mangled the English language -- sort of looked like a Dick Tracy villain and might even have been in some '40's "B" horror films; it's not Rondo Hatton, though. and was always a mug, as opposed to McMahon who could also play cops rather believably. Compared to this actor I can't remember, Horace was positively Shakespearean.

 

Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Apr 22, 2013 1:15 PM

[Bronxgirl48]

I'm going to watch THE BURGLAR and CHICAGO CALLING this evening, thanks for giving all Duryea fans the heads-up, Miss G.!

 

Goodbye for now Ellie, Stanley, Kay, and Buckley -- Dan's calling my name...

[JackFavell]

Was it Tom Kennedy from the Torchy Blane series?

 

 

Miss G, I'm going to give Chicago Calling a try. I have it in the back of my mind from your description that I've seen this one before, but I don't know. Thanks for the tip!

 

Edited by: JackFavell on Apr 22, 2013 6:58 AM

[MissGoddess]

I love little Ed Brophy...he about broke my heart in *The Last Hurrah*.

 

I get all those square-jawed "mugs" confused---but love them all! I think the idea of that TV series is great, Bronxie. Maybe Paul Douglas could be a regular guest star? And the Nortons and Cramdens their neighbors.

 

Enjoy the Dan-D Fest!

[kingrat]

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