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I might add that watching people sitting on toilets and doing their bodily functions does not appeal to me a whole lot. Watching actual scenes depicting sexual intercourse and oral sex close up do not appeal to me either. Afterall, I can view that type of content in a "porn" film if that's what I truly crave. And yet such acts are depicted from time to time in some contemporary films. I'm not against artistic freedom. I reserve the right to define for myself what actually constitutes "artistic freedom". I know that for many people in contemporary society, anything goes. There are no standards for some individuals. And that's their choice. FATAL ATTRACTION (1987) depicted the "toilet bowl" side of human nature and the human condition...contemporary style. Like many others, I'm quite aware that this kind of behavior in real life goes on all the time. Let's face it...some things are simply sickening. For the same reason, I don't care to watch a child being sexually molested on screen, even though I'm aware that it is "acting" that is taking place. I can picture it in a film script without having to watch it being graphically played out. Do I have to watch someone throwing up on screen before I realize that such bodily functions are perhaps occurring in the story line? Some things are better left to the imagination. And in some cases, this serves to actually strengthen an overall dramatic effect...not lessen it. But as in the contemporary political arena, there are few if any self-imposed restraints left. This often paves the way for a new totalitarianism somewhere down the road in the future, replacing the wreckage left behind by the chaos and confusion of a preceding society that had fallen increasingly into decay. Human history demonstrates this "cycle" again and again, and with alarming regularity. No standards or guidelines at all do not always lead to stronger, purer or enduring creativity. 

         

 

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Given my somewhat "progressive" social attitudes in certain areas, I would certainly not characterize myself as a "prude" nor as the Church Lady of Saturday Night Live fame. As earlier stated, I'm not exactly a stranger to nudist recreational resorts and beaches, just to sight an example. I suppose it's fair to say I'm conservative in some ways, and progressive in others. It depends upon the topic. As for my reference to the film FATAL ATTRACTION (1987), I was referring to visual content when I used the term 'pornographic' to describe certain scenes. Someone once said (I believe it was a U.S. federal judge), "I can't give you an exact working definition of pornography. But I can tell you that I know it when I see it." We live in a society that sometimes elects in effect, to merge two 'film genres' together. I know some among us consider this to be quite harmless, while others see a potentially lethal effect in ways that may not be immediately apparent.            

It's interesting that as far back as 1981, I personally witnessed underaged children beling permitted to be in a theater showing an extremely R-rated film. In part, the film explicitly depicted sexual activity taking place between a male minor and an adult woman. Add to this the statistical fact that a majority of contemporary parents in America choose not to educate their children on sexual responsibility, let alone sexual ethics. This in turn, permits them to become still more vulnerable to external influences than might otherwise be the case. Children are therefore often left with no working context for making practical decisions regarding sexual responsibility, other than peer pressure considerations. It often turns out to be a lethal combination in terms of socio-sexual life outcomes. For further evidence concerning this, you might try researching national statistics on teenage pregnancy in The United States since the year 1968. Hollywood surely bears some responsibility for this. But so also do parents who choose to surrender their responsibilities as parents in terms of sexual education in a comprehensive way. And similarly, Hollywood often surrenders social responsibility to a preoccupation with the financial bottom line. We all know that sex sells. So does violence. Hollywood likes to call for new anti-gun laws, while at the same time glorifying guy violence in films in order to maximize their financial bottom line. Somewhere in here lies more than a hint of hypocrisy.             

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9 hours ago, Philip1749 said:

I might add that watching people sitting on toilets and doing their bodily functions does not appeal to me a whole lot. Watching actual scenes depicting sexual intercourse and oral sex close up do not appeal to me either. Afterall, I can view that type of content in a "porn" film if that's what I truly crave. And yet such acts are depicted from time to time in some contemporary films. I'm not against artistic freedom. I reserve the right to define for myself what actually constitutes "artistic freedom". I know that for many people in contemporary society, anything goes. There are no standards for some individuals. And that's their choice. FATAL ATTRACTION (1987) depicted the "toilet bowl" side of human nature and the human condition...contemporary style. Like many others, I'm quite aware that this kind of behavior in real life goes on all the time. Let's face it...some things are simply sickening. For the same reason, I don't care to watch a child being sexually molested on screen, even though I'm aware that it is "acting" that is taking place. I can picture it in a film script without having to watch it being graphically played out. Do I have to watch someone throwing up on screen before I realize that such bodily functions are perhaps occurring in the story line? Some things are better left to the imagination. And in some cases, this serves to actually strengthen an overall dramatic effect...not lessen it. But as in the contemporary political arena, there are few if any self-imposed restraints left. This often paves the way for a new totalitarianism somewhere down the road in the future, replacing the wreckage left behind by the chaos and confusion of a preceding society that had fallen increasingly into decay. Human history demonstrates this "cycle" again and again, and with alarming regularity. No standards or guidelines at all do not always lead to stronger, purer or enduring creativity. 

         

 

With all due respect, it sounds to me you would prefer it if Hollywood would go back to the Hays Code, which is not going to happen any time soon I hate to tell you.

I think it's dishonest to try and pretend that the uglier aspects of life do not exist. If you don't want to watch a film because its content disturbs you, that is your choice.  The real world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. 

Don't get me wrong, I do love a good old, pure escapism film, which is why I watch TCM a lot. But I don't think demanding that Hollywood put restraints on what it shows to the audiences is the answer. They tried it once, and while it did last a good number of years, ultimately it came to an end, for better or worse. Now that the restraints have been removed, there's no going back. It would be like trying to put the genie back in the bottle once he's been released.

There are quite a few movies I have seen that I find to have no redeeming value, but just because I didn't enjoy them doesn't mean everyone else should share my point of view. What it comes down to is it's your decision on what to watch and what not to watch.

(BTW FATAL ATTRACTION is one of my favorite movies and I think you totally missed the point of the movie....it wasn't promoting porn but rather the consequences of not staying true to your spouse or at the very least not being very discreet about choosing your bed partners).

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On 8/2/2018 at 1:31 PM, Princess of Tap said:

 it represents capitalism. You got a problem with that?

Edit: I'm gonna change my post, because I thought I was responding to the OP and hence it would be rather nonsensical. I'm not reading very carefully. Probably need to go to bed.

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14 hours ago, Philip1749 said:

Given my somewhat "progressive" social attitudes in certain areas, I would certainly not characterize myself as a "prude" nor as the Church Lady of Saturday Night Live fame. As earlier stated, I'm not exactly a stranger to nudist recreational resorts and beaches, just to sight an example. I suppose it's fair to say I'm conservative in some ways, and progressive in others. It depends upon the topic. As for my reference to the film FATAL ATTRACTION (1987), I was referring to visual content when I used the term 'pornographic' to describe certain scenes. Someone once said (I believe it was a U.S. federal judge), "I can't give you an exact working definition of pornography. But I can tell you that I know it when I see it." We live in a society that sometimes elects in effect, to merge two 'film genres' together. I know some among us consider this to be quite harmless, while others see a potentially lethal effect in ways that may not be immediately apparent.            

It's interesting that as far back as 1981, I personally witnessed underaged children beling permitted to be in a theater showing an extremely R-rated film. In part, the film explicitly depicted sexual activity taking place between a male minor and an adult woman. Add to this the statistical fact that a majority of contemporary parents in America choose not to educate their children on sexual responsibility, let alone sexual ethics. This in turn, permits them to become still more vulnerable to external influences than might otherwise be the case. Children are therefore often left with no working context for making practical decisions regarding sexual responsibility, other than peer pressure considerations. It often turns out to be a lethal combination in terms of socio-sexual life outcomes. For further evidence concerning this, you might try researching national statistics on teenage pregnancy in The United States since the year 1968. Hollywood surely bears some responsibility for this. But so also do parents who choose to surrender their responsibilities as parents in terms of sexual education in a comprehensive way. And similarly, Hollywood often surrenders social responsibility to a preoccupation with the financial bottom line. We all know that sex sells. So does violence. Hollywood likes to call for new anti-gun laws, while at the same time glorifying guy violence in films in order to maximize their financial bottom line. Somewhere in here lies more than a hint of hypocrisy.             

I've a couple of times( and now will again) told the story of when my 1st daughter was about 11, we were watching the movie THE COMPETITION('80) on cable( still new to us at the time, '83 would be the year) and how she was really into the story when the scene came on in which AMY IRVING and RICHARD DREYFUS were rolling around nude on his motel bed when my daughter let out a loud and disgusted "TSK", and said:

 

"It figures.  Everytime a movie starts getting good they throw THIS kind of junk in it!"  Ha!  And we were supposed to be WORRIED about something?  ;)

My Mother too, sounded off once about how, "Parents have it EASY these days.  In MY day, whenever a kid let out a blue streak (her expression for cussing) we parents didn't HAVE Rap music or cable TV or movies to blame it on!"  :D  She was of course, referring to the late '40' and early '50's which is when my brother and I were being raised.  And too, I don't go along with the blaming on movies or other entertainment medium for the mischief or unsavory behavior our children might display or get into.  After all, raising OUR children isn't THEIR responsibility, IS it.  ;)

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