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April 20, 2008 in General Discussions
Warner's still own's LILAC TIME, and this is another film I have heard tell of a restoration now for well over a year. I hope the reports are accurate.
Part of thje problem as I understand it is, the sychronized sound process was not Vita-phone for LILIAC TIME. By contrast SYTHETIC SIN and WHY BE GOOD? were both produced after the First National merger with Warner-Brothers. So those films did have Vita-phone disc's which were recently discovered.
Yes, The 1930 version of GOOD NEWS is highly entertaining. Bessie Love is a hoot! Most of the cast is great! TCM probably hasn't aired this since at least 1999, or even longer? It's way past time to show it again!
This film was of course based on the 1927 Smash hit musical on Broadway, that produced so many great tunes. Including among them "The Best Things In Life Are Free". and "The Varsity Drag" But they undoubtedly stole the name of Tate college even if it was not spelled quite the same from Harold Lloyd's THE FRESHMAN in 1925!
>Coder, who is very well informed on the films of this era, has mentioned that TCM has played this one before [ *Show of Shows* ]. That makes me happy because it tells us the film is not lost, and it is not an impossibility for TCM to air it again. This film is a ripe and prime candidate for "Suggest A Movie"
I've been waiting for this one too. Coder mentioned earlier that this had been aired "about ten years ago," on TCM. I have it on tape, probably from that showing. I've always liked it. It plays like an old-fashion variety show. Coder also mentioned the "Chinese Fantasy" sequence that was "added later." Happy to report that it is included in the one TCM showing. A very leggy and attractive Myrna Loy dances around in a Chinese get up and in a Chinese style sharing the stage with a man who plays a stringed instrument about the size of an ukele and sings. A treat for for Myrna Loy fans or anyone for that matter. A charming sequence. The whole movie has a feel-good quality to it. Loretta Young makes a brief appearance in another charming number called "Sisters."
Somebody mentioned Sweet Kitty Bellairs, another nice little film. Walter Pidgeon is so young he's barely recognizable. Interesting that this originally in color.
I saved a few old "Now Playing" schedule guides for TCM. "Show of Shows" (1929) aired on Friday, January 17, 1997 in the 6pm-8pm time slot. It's listed as black and white & color with a running time of 128 minutes. So I guess it must have run till a bit after 8pm. The 8pm film that same night was "Flying Down to Rio" (1933.)
Also that same January 1997..... Monday, January 13, 1997:
6:00 pm "Good News" 1930
8:00 pm "Jazz Singer" 1927
10:00 pm "Rio Rita" 1929
12:00 am (midnight): "Broadway Melody" (1929)
2:00am "Hollywood Revue of 1929"
4:10am "Hallelujah!" (1929)
6:00am "Voice of the City" (1929)
That's a great stretch of films!
If early talkies are your bag then January 1997 was an excellent month on TCM:
Wednesday, January 15: 6pm "The Cuckoos" (1930) with Wheeler and Woolsey
Thursday, January 16: 6pm "Show Boat" (1929)
Monday January 20: 6pm "Sally" (1930) [sally actually was released in November 1929] and originally the entire film was in technicolor.
The following are just after the early talkie era ended, but are interesting films:
Tuesday January 21: 6am "Diplomaniacs" (1933) with Wheeler and Woolsey
also from 1/21/97: 6pm "Girl Crazy" (1932) with Wheeler and Woolsey
Seeing that you're a Colleen Moore fan...
F.Y.I. . . .There's a picture of her, in "Why Be Good ?" 1929...thought you might enjoy.
(you may have seen run across it already...)
It appears to be a 'glossy' and is out of 'General Discussions', under 'Genre Forums',
'Pre-Code Films'....under the thread, 'Pre-Code Gallery' (author: Snorky), on the 2nd Page....
It should be the first one that comes up.
I just happened across it, & then read your entry & thought I'd share this info w/ you : )
Thelma, Once again, thank you for displaying your lovely Sheet Music here, along
with Youtube, to better enhance our enjoyment....
And I especially love the Sheet Music for 'Lilac Time' w/ Collen Moore.
It's a Fantactic find. . .When I first glanced @ this picture, honestly, I swear,
I got a 'whiff'' of Lilac fragrance....Mmmm...so sweet !!!!
No, I don;t think that I have seen the Photo? Thanks, I will check it out. I have written a whole bunch about Colleen Moore on this forum in the past. You may want to go back and look at some of those threads?
I will try to find a good recording of the " JEANNINE" (I Dream of Lilac Time)" song from LILAC TIME on Youtube. I have a couple of them in my computer, but I can't post those here.
Well, I am somewhat disappointed, This is the one lone recording that I could find of "JEANNINE (I DREAM OF LILAC TIME)", from LILAC TIME on Youtube. It is a very good version from 1928 by Gene Austin. I just thought that there would be a few more recordings. I have a lovely Tango Orchestra version, but I can't post it on this forum.
For some strange reason, this is labeled as LILAC TIME 1970? I have no idea why it is called that, since the recording is vintage from 1928?
There is a wealth of information on early sound films at :
This person has been putting in entries at about monthly intervals for about two years. He includes links to recorded songs from early sound films, reviews of films written by people at the time the films opened, movie posters, articles, and his own insights. I find it very interesting.
This other link is one of a collector who is interested in films from 1925-1935. It is a good site because he basically lists every film made by every American studio of that era and then lists whether it is lost and, if not, whether or not he has it. I don't think he's updated this site in a long time, but it is a good place to look for titles as well as artwork. Basically, if a film exists intact, this guy has got a copy.
A note: the above site considers a film to be a "sound film" even if it has only synchronized sound effects but not synchronized dialogue. For example, he considers "Our Modern Maidens" to be a sound film. I have always thought such films belonged in the silent category.
This has gotten to be such a long thread that I apologize in advance if someone else has already posted this information.
Buster Keaton's tale is among the more tragic of the silent-talkie transition era. He lost his independent status in 1927 when his benefactor pulled his financial support. As a result Buster signed with MGM. Buster had a good start there, and in 1928 he made one of his best comedies there, the Cameraman:
[Cameraman Part 1|http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8stC8ApG_E]
It is all here in ten parts. It is the unrestored version and the score is different from that on the DVD.
Buster's last silent film saw increasing interference from MGM. He had to fight to get what is considered the movie's funniest scene included in the final cut of the film:
[spite Marriage (1929) - Putting the drunk bride to bed|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HVfTGf11A]
However, the coming of sound was not kind to Buster. His first sound feature was Free & Easy. This is probably the best scene in the film, where Buster gets to show off his singing and dancing. Why MGM wanted to hide his great face behind that clown makeup I'll never figure out.
[buster sings and dances in Free & Easy (1930)|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlUwLCjQECk]
Here are links to scenes in his second and third sound films
Cliff Edwards & Buster Keaton share a musical moment in "Doughboys"
[Doughboys (1930) - Cliff Edwards & Buster Keaton jam session|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmK5w9SEKnU]
[Doughboys (1930) - finale|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvWkwJhFkcY]
[Parlor, Bedroom, & Bath(1931)-scene with Charlotte Greenwood|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGeFzg0N2-o]
Buster was upset at the quality of his MGM films and the loss of his independence and began to drink heavily. In 1932 his wife filed for divorce. A year later MGM fired him and no other studio would hire him. Buster never again starred in an American feature film.
The fact that Buster didn't preserve the rights to his films is one of the reasons he is so familiar to us today. His silent films - both short and feature length - are on DVD in every quality imaginable with sometimes hideous musical accompaniment because so much of his work is in the public domain. Harold Lloyd took such great care in preserving his rights that he never had to work after the coming of sound, although he did make a few talkies for Paramount. Also, nobody could reproduce Lloyd's works without the OK of his estate. Thus, although Lloyd was more popular in the 1920's, today Buster's work is better known to the masses.
Good Morning Calvinnme...
I thoroughly enjoyed running through those clips with Buster Keaton...What a Legend !!
And his 'stone'-looking facial expressions truly enhanced his comedic portrayals...
I enjoyed seeing 'Spite Marriage' & 'Parlor, Bedroom & Bath' where both he & his leading
ladies were so totally 'flexible' to be tossed & turned around like that..Thanks again, Calvinnme
Oh, and Thelma.... I also ran across your 'Namesake", while viewing Buster Keaton clips.
It was "Speak Easily" with Buster Keaton & Thelma Todd, both showing their 'flexible' side, being yanked & hauled around, in their drunken state.
And you might also enjoy the clip: "Movie Legend - Thelma Todd", a very endearing
portrayal of this classy lady, who was not only known for being a great actress in her
lifetime, but who also had a head for business. Thought you might enjoy : )
Speaking of Thelma Todd, I've always loved this short film with Thelma and Charley Chase.
[The Pip From Pittsburgh 1/2|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGnJhTgQQlc]
[The Pip From Pittsburgh 2/2|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WxZZaboSM]
It was made in 1931, so it's a little past the time limit of this thread, but it is so adorable.
Lee DeForest had a working sound on film system by 1925. Unfortunately the studios weren't interested. They had gotten the making of silent films down to a fine art and did not really want to upset the apple cart. Plus, there was the little matter of DeForest taking the work of fellow scientist Ted Case and not giving him credit. Here are a couple of DeForest's more entertaining experimental sound films that he entitled "Phonofilms".
[A Few Moments with Eddie Cantor (1923)|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZR9KdkMlhM]
Eddie jokes around and sings a couple of songs.
[Gus Visser & His Singing Duck (1925)|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=858V0Dgs1wk]
The clip is mislabeled. This is not Movietone, but Phonofilm was the basis for that technology later in the 20's.
This clip from 1930's Showgirl in Hollywood shows the technology of sound recording as it existed at the end of the 20's. Plus it's a catchy tune. First, some images from the film.
Nice close-up of Alice White.
Inside the recording booth.
A good look at the bizarre set of this number.
Sound technicians supervise the making of the Vitaphone discs.
A look at the multiple camera booths typically used to shoot early sound films.
[i've Got My Eye on You from "Showgirl in Hollywood"|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haZZD--VYM0]
And most of the final reel of that same film.
[Final reel of Showgirl in Hollywood|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7W3Rf24pQ]
Finally, for some perspective, the first sound film ever made:
[Dickson Experimental Sound Film (1894)|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_X3-EZz7Y]
It was made as part of a test for Thomas Edison's "Kinetophone" project, the first attempt in history to record sound and moving image in synchronization.
Again, I apologize in advance if I am duplicating a previous post.
I thoroughly enjoyed the 'Pips from Pittsburgh' clips with Thelma Todd & Charlie Chase.
What an enjoyable little 'ditty' this was . . .I got a kick out of whenever the lights went
out, during the dancing, everyone would be in a disarrayed state, when the lights came
back on. Thelma Todd and Charlie Chase were paired perfectly for this clip.
In these older movies, I find that I so like taking in the backgrounds, such as, the room the
guys were getting ready in, looked almost as big as my apt, not to mention the hallways,
in almost ALL of these older movies, I find them to be extremely wide, not like the hallways in today's apts. And that floral box on the wall, @ the dance that would squirt out a 'Rose' scent, I believe, when a coin was entered. Oh, and last but not least, how about those shaving brushes they used, huh ? How Nostalgic is that ? You gotta luv it !!!
Thanks again Calvinnme, for sharing !
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