Seeking copy of Hollywood Revuew of 1929

[FredCDobbs]

Thelma, gagman's photos fit the width limit. None of them stretch out the text of this thread.

[ThelmaTodd]

Hi Fred,

 

I appreciate that. Gagman could speak for himself on this issue, but my own images, especially the sheet music covers, were way over 600 X 600.

 

The problem was that this thread went way beyond being just a discussion thread, although it was that as well. It was becoming a repository and archive of a lot of historical material; truly a museum of 1920's film. As a museum, it was costly in some form; in our case in terms of my time and gagman's. We wern't being compensated.

 

A museum needs continuity in order to best serve the public. A discussion thread that fades with non-posting, is not ideal for purposes of showcasing the material we had. Notice how gagman has not posted since April here, and this glorious thread faded to page 19!

 

It was image hosting issues that caused me to break off my efforts here. I have had a number of communications with TCM offline, but have not heard anything from them that is acceptable or which makes sense to me. I have also had a lot of communication with gagman privately about my concerns.

 

Those of you who may recall my contributions here, may be surprised to hear that what I posted in historic materials was jus a small percentage of my total collection, perhaps just 10%! I was ready to acquire even more antique material on an ongoing basis.

 

Some of the concerns that I expressed to TCM were the following:

 

1)Let's transfer this thread to a dedicated blog space on this website. That way, it wouldn't fade, and it's contents always accessible to our community.

 

2) That Time Warner or TCM find me alternatives to having my images hosted by third parties like Photobucket. That image related issues be worked out one on one between us.

 

3)That gagman and I have a contractual understanding with TW/Turner/TCM about the above, as well as a split on DVD's that we were plugging. I was plugging a lot of DVD's. Some revenue stream for my time and trouble would have been appropriate.

 

4) That there is no back-up or retrieval in the event of a deletion or crash. Not encouraging to me as archivist and curator! I frankly expected better from a large media organization and it's IT people.

 

I have mentioned to gagman that our time and efforts would be better spent running our own website and making our contributions there, rather than in this environment. I need control over image issues, and I need to be sure of a back-up proceedure. I am a passionate person, and I couldn't accept the indifference and lack of concern and interest I was sensing. I was always ready to work with TW/Turner/TCM and discuss with them how we could build value together. At this point, I would rather operate on my own.

 

Fred, you are a stalwart around here and a big help to all. I appreciate the help you have given me in the past. You are a gentleman, as I'm sure many others have found out.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thelma

[FredCDobbs]

Please don't change the topic of this established thread.

 

If you want to rant about some issue, start your own thread.

[gagman66]

Thelma,

 

It's nice to see you finally back here again. I am glad to see this thread being revived once more. One of the problems is the name. I wish that we could re-name this thread somehow .That might help to keep it going here.

 

I have plenty of Photos, posters, lobby-cards and other material that I could have kept on adding all along. After a time though it seemed more logical to concentrate on other threads in the Silents forum. One thing that is different than it used to be is that you can't go back and edit anymore here after 24 hours I believe? Or maybe it is 48 hours? In any event, that makes it impossible to cut and paste posts in other parts of the forum, after a day or two and transport them over here. It used to be that you could go back and edit your posts from months ago. Not so anymore.

 

I will post some recent material here this evening sometime. Again a heartfelt welcome back to the forums!

[Guest]

We are working to find out if we can automatically resize the image the fit the boards formatted page size. No threads will be locked or taken down at this time.

 

We understand the passion that goes into the images uploaded. We are working with the community to find the best solution.

 

As of right now, we are just asking for the members to resize their larger images to fit the format so that everyone can enjoy them without the page being stretched or taking a considerable time for loading.

 

There is the Classic Film Union community for uploading pictures as well. Photos must be in JPEG, PNG, or GIF format (no progressive JPGs or animated GIFs), 100 MB limit. That's the rules for that site.

 

And if you'd like for me to change the name of the thread, please PM me gagman.

 

Thank you

-Renee

[hlywdkjk]

*"Some of the concerns that I expressed to TCM were the following:*

 

*1)Let's transfer this thread to a dedicated blog space on this website.*

*2) That Time Warner or TCM find me alternatives to having my images hosted by third parties...*

*3)That gagman and I have a contractual understanding with TW/Turner/TCM about the above, as well as a split on DVD's that we were plugging."* - ThelmaTodd

 

Gad! You make "McGinty And The Boss" look like altruists!

 

*"The "Seeking Copy of Hollywood revue of 1929" was the best damn thread in TCM message board history."*

 

Uhhh, no. It isn't/wasn't.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

[gagman66]

 

 

A highly intriguing Lobby-Card with John Gilbert Young and Handsome in Military attire. This looks like it may have been one of his major Fox Features? A movie entitled *"HONOR FIRST" (Fox, 1922)* Another World War One Drama Produced three years prior to *THE BIG PARADE* at MGM in 1925, and likewise Co-Starring Renee Adoree. Possibly her first picture as Jack's leading lady? They made a few others at Fox.

 

The film is probably lost today, but I honestly do not know? Most of Gilbert's Fox tenure is considered long gone. Sadly, almost all of the films were burned up in the great 1937 Fox Studios Vault Fire that year. I would be overjoyed to learn that it still survives? In the picture Gilbert played Twins, one good, the other a Baddie! Making it all the more interesting of a curiosity. This is the only film in which He was cast in a dual-role.

[gagman66]

I just requested a debut of BARDELYS THE MAGNIFICENT (1926) on TCM for later this year in the "Suggest a movie" portion of this forum. Hopefully, to be broadcast in Prime-time. We are talking about a film that was lost since 1936! I am really rather surprised this won't be running next month Here is what I wrote:

 

*This long lost King Vidor feature is being released on DVD by Flicker Alley next month. The first ever Vidor Silent to be released on official DVD, which astounds me. He should have had several other releases by now.*

 

*BARDELYS THE MAGNIFICENT is a MGM Silent, meaning that you guys should automatically have the broadcast rights to the picture? I have seen the film and it is quite excellent. Definitely among John Gilbert's best surviving features in my opinion.*

 

*On that score, how about a John Gilbert night? And please re-schedule THE BIG PARADE again at a decent hour. It wasn't fair for this incredible movie to be shown for the first time in 5 years that late at night. Many people who had been waiting and waiting to see the film, ended up missing the broadcast again. Thank you.*

[JackFavell]

That movie looks gorgeous! Thanks for posting the lobby card.

 

I am going over to suggest Bardelys....

[ThelmaTodd]

Hello folks,

Hello gagman,

 

I have no intention of contributing around here as I once did, i.e. with images. I made that decision almost a year ago. I reappeared for one reason only, and that was out of concern for my friend gagman and his beautiful and extraordinary contributions. Given what I was reading from the TCM webadministrator, I was concerned for him and all the time and effort that gagman has put in here.

 

Somebody has expressed skepticism about whether this has been the best of message boards. (This person had not contributed much if anything in images around here, and does not own this website. My concerns were with the administration) When gagman and I were cooking around here, my mailbox was stuffed with compliments from people expressing such an opinion. Not only were people saying that but many were telling me that there was nothing else like it on the whole internet. It was for a while turning out to be the best resource on 20's sound film anywhere. Rest assured it will be recreated, but not here.

 

Dear Fred, you sound bitter and I regret that. I won't be ranting nor contributing here. You go start a thread if you like; I decline the offer. If gagman has no problem with me, neither should you.

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Dear gagman,

 

You are very special. You and I have similiar passions about film, but we have different temperments. That can actually work out for us should we enter into a business collaboration. Let's talk about it offline. My collection plus yours equals something absolutely gangbusters. One thing; changing the name of this thread. It's your call not mine; but really, what's that going to do? Let's get focused for the future and the sake of the material.

 

Dear Jack Favell,

Thank you for you mailbox message, it is most appreciated. I'm tougher than nails; all the more so when we are talking about preserving this film legacy.

 

Thelma

[lzcutter]

*Somebody has expressed skepticism about whether this has been the best of message boards. (This person had not contributed much if anything in images around here, and does not own this website.*

 

Thelma,

 

It's a pity you've missed Kyle's wonderful poster galleries in the Favorites forum. He may not have a website but his poster gallery is updated daily (despite it's "Once and While" title). His thread, like Mongo's Candids thread in this forum, is a daily viewing habit for many of us.

 

In addition to his current poster gallery, Kyle also has adjunct poster galleries throughout the year for events like the *31 Days of Oscar* and the recent World War 1 Memorial Salute.

 

He contributes a great deal to this community (in addition to his poster galleries) as does Mongo and many posters here whether it is through imagery contributions or in-depth film talk.

 

No one's contributions should be negated just because you have a beef with the TCM administration.

 

Message was edited by: lzcutter to get rid of the double negative. I really shouldn't post until after I've had my morning caffeine.

[HollywoodGolightly]

> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}

> No one's contributions should not be negated just because you have a beef with the TCM administration.

 

Aside from the double negative, I agree with Lynn completely.

[ThelmaTodd]

Hi lzcutter,

 

My bad. I meant this thread exclusively. I didn't mean to belittle his contributions elsewhere.

 

Thelma

[gagman66]

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}

> That movie looks gorgeous! Thanks for posting the lobby card.

>

> I am going over to suggest Bardelys...

 

Wendy,

 

Thank you for requesting *BARDELYS THE MAGNIFICENT.* Must confess. I have not looked in the "Suggest A Film" feature in years until just last night. TCM obviously receives Hundreds, upon hundreds of film requests on a daily basis! Even in a few hours time, it is almost like trying to find a needle in a haystack to locate your earlier request!

 

I'm sure that *BARDELYS* will run on TCM eventually. I was just trying to remind the programmers of how remarkable of a find this film was. Considered lost for 70 years! All prints were believed destroyed in 1936.

 

Here is the direct link from Flicker Alley, and an interesting article on the new DVD set elsewhere. Remember that they are offering a $10.00 discount on all pre-orders::

 

 

http://flickeralley.com/fa_btm_mc_01.html

 

 

http://twomodernguys.blogspot.com/2009/06/rediscovering-john-gilbert.html

[JackFavell]

Thanks for the links, Jeff.

[gagman66]

Wendy,

 

Last night I was not able to get on the forum, for more than a few minutes. This site seems to still be having problems. So I visited the "Suggest A Movie Thread". instead. Someone had requested *THE VIKINGS,* and I assume they meant *"THE VIKING"?*The first ever MGM all Two-Color Technicolor production in 1928. Making it of great historical significance. So I put in a request as well.

 

In addition, I also requested *LILAC TIME* Though it has never aired on TCM, they still should be able to show the movie. The original Firn-Phone (First National's name for it's sound on Film process) scoring track was restored in 2003. We would finally get a major Colleen Moore feature, and Gary Cooper's break out picture on TCM. With any luck, they will at least attempt to look into the matter.

 

Had to mention *TIDE OF EMPIRE (1929)* With Renee Adoree, and Tom Keen. Directed by Allan Dwan. TCM has not run the film this decade as far as I know. I love this movie, and it is one of the bettwer preserved MGM Silent Hybrid's that I have seen. Even if the final reel is lost.

 

Thelma,

 

I still have your E-mail address assuming that you haven't changed it? I will get back to you this weekend. I sincerely appreciate your support, and concern on my behalf. Thank you. I really don't know what to say.

[JackFavell]

I will certainly request those, Jeff, although I do believe I have suggested Lilac Time before.... I don't know if they count up how many times you request! Somehow , I think not.

[ThelmaTodd]

Hi Jack Favell and gagman,

 

My love and loyalties go to the following:

 

1) To the material, it's legacy and preservation

2) To our very dear gagman66, who went way above and beyond the call of message board requirements in sharing with us. He didn't have to do it; enjoy what he has done!

3) To our esteemed public, who has been so abundantly supportive to our efforts online, and even more so offline!

 

The above three parties I will not fail!

 

To those who are recently arrived to these threads, I wish to point out that this thread went through three phases. For the first few months, it was propelled by me, with numerous images and text contributions, which I then withdrew after realizing that this is not the best environment for their exposition and preservation. The second was when gagman and I were working together. The last is when gagman alone was the prime visual contributor. He has done an extraordinary job.

 

The critics can say what they want. They are talking to a wall. All I care about is how the material is going to be preserved for posterity. For that I will make my own arrangements.

 

Regards,

 

Thelma

[gagman66]

Thelma,

 

So much of this is completely over my head. At present, I am just trying to soak it all in. I start typing a response and don't really know how to proceed. I did receive your E-mails though, and will read them better this evening. I am registered on so many different sites right now that it is very difficult to keep up with what is going on. I sincerely appreciate all the thought, research, time and effort that you have put forth on this developing project. When it comes to the technical and business side of matters, that is definitely not my strength. And I feel rather guilty that I am not able to be of more assistance to you.

[ThelmaTodd]

Hello gagman,

 

It's allright, just be in touch, preferably offline, and we can work it out step by step. By all means go on doing what you've been doing here all along if you wish; don't let me discourage you. Whether you work here or with me elsewhere, always just be yourself and do what you do best.

 

We all have certain talents and strengths. I would like to stay in contact about how we can arrange, present and preserve this material better. Love of the era and it's films brings out the passion in me; a passion for letting people and posterity know about it.

 

Personally, I think the title of this thread is a good one. It can be abbreviated to just plain "Seeking 1929"! I'm not saying that I would like to turn the clock back, but I feel that you and I appreciate the era, it's style and culture. We don't want for it to be forgotten. On the contrary, we would like to let a new generation and posterity discover what we have found.

 

Here's to the Roaring Twenties! To it's films, it's music, it's art and culture! Let it live on on video and in cyberspace!

 

Thelma

[gagman66]

 

*Garbo as Diana from A WOMAN OF AFFAIRS (1928)*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Gilbert And Garbo the Famous Garden Sequence from FLESH AND THE DEVIL (1926)*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Greta Garbo, and Nils Asther From THE SINGLE STANDARD (1929)*

[JackFavell]

Lovely as usual, Jeff. Nils Asther had those incredibly high cheekbones and I am always a sucker for a pencil thin moustache.....

 

Message was edited by: JackFavell

[gagman66]

Wendy,

 

I had posted this elegant photo of Renee Adoree long months ago. However, it appears to have gotten deleted from Photobucket, and thus vanished from this and several other threads here? So I am posting it again now.

 

 

 

*Renee Adoree, Red Rose And White Chiffon Dress*

 

Incidentally, here is a link to one of my long dormant Web-pages on Classic Silent and European Film Network. I am trying to resurrect the site, so please feel free to join if you would like? I hadn't looked at this site at all in at least 3 or 4 months, and was really happy to find that it was still there.

 

http://silent-and-classic-european.ning.com/profile/TheGiant

 

In addition, these are links to some of the Silent Star Fan groups on VLN, but there are many others, including Marion Davies, Valentino, Corinne Griffith, Greta Garbo, Colleen Moore, Harold Lloyd, Etc.

 

 

http://vintagelifenetwork.ning.com/group/clarabow

 

 

http://vintagelifenetwork.ning.com/group/thesilentladiesreneeadorree

 

 

http://vintagelifenetwork.ning.com/group/johngilbert

[ugaarte]

Hi All . . .

 

I've been experiencing some difficulties posting on these threads lately -

 

Thelma, it's good to hear from you on this thread agian. For how long, who knows ?

But for Now - it's Great. Much Regards and I hope all is going well with you and yours.

 

And Gagman, Once again, my hats off to you for a Great job for those wonderful pictures

of Grata Garbo and Renee Adoree. Great Colorization ! I just love Renee's elaborate pose !

I caught a glimspe of her in "The Blackbird" 1926, on one of those websites you provided.

I also saw the one with sweet, adorable Clara Bow and John Gilbert in "The Cossack".

And I also enjoyed the Lobby Card of John Gilbert, as well.

 

Well, everyone, it's Just Wonderful to see this thread 'Rear Her Head' up again, appearing

like that Majestic & Regal 'Columbia Torch Lady'.

I've rather grown accustomed & Greatly Enjoying coming back to these 'Old Haunts and

Stomping Grounds" : D

 

Sincerely,

Ugaarte

[gagman66]

ugaarte,

 

Nince to see you back again as well. Unfortunately, everyone has struggled to post on the forum for well over a month now. Half the time it is not working correctly.

 

That is Renee Adoree in THE COSSACKS too. However, there are some Clara Bow clips on the VLN Group site that is dedicated to her.

 

 

http://vintagelifenetwork.ning.com/group/clarabow

 

 

Another *Ronald Coleman* still with delightful *Constance Talmadge* that I couldn't find yesterday. This is from *HER NIGHT OF ROMANCE (First National, 1924),* and what's more it is not a lost film either! Turning up at some recent festivals.

 

The Douris Corporation has been shopping about some key Talmadge Sisters features such as this one, also *HER SISTER FROM PARIS (1925),* and *KIKI (1926)* to various DVD labels, but alas so far they have not been able to sell the idea.

 

 

 

 

*Coleman And Constance From HER NIGHT OF ROMANCE (1924)*