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As Dr. Ament pointed out tonight during the 8 p.m. introduction to "The Wizard of Oz" with Ben Mankowitz, when Judy Garland sings "Over the Rainbow," she interacts with her environment at the same time that she contemplates leaving it. What a great insight, one that I would not have thought of myself. Question: what happened to "Ding, Dong, the Witch Is Dead"? Did I really just watch a truncated version of the movie? It did seem to be moving along really quickly, but I didn't know that TCM allows for the editing of any movies, much less a classic movie like "The Wizard of Oz."

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"Imposerous!" 

I'm ashamed to admit I am watching Game Five of the Stanley Cup Finals as a Capitols fan, so I can't say I was watching Wizard of Oz tonight. I can't believe, though, that TCM would ever show a truncated movie.  Especially one as untouchable as The Wizard of Oz. I hope you get confirmation from other viewers or TCM.

 

I've always loved the interaction of Dorothy with Toto, the farm, the air as she's singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow." Genuine perfection. 

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I missed the introduction and the very first part of the movie because my husband was watching something else. When we put it on TCM Elvira Gooch was taking Toto away, but just as Toto ran back to Dorothy my son called me, so I didn't see the rest of it. I have no idea if "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" was cut, but like MotherofZeus, I just can't imagine that.

I don't think it's one I saved to my DVR but if it is I'll check and see what I can find out.

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Really, "Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead" was NOT in the movie as it aired tonight on TCM. Dorothy douses the Scarecrow with water, and accidentally, she also douses the witch with water. The witch withers away and dies, and Dorothy thinks at first that the witch's guard is angry with her. Then she realizes that the witch's guard is delighted with what she's done, but there was no DING, DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD song, not tonight. The movie aired in less than two hours, and I recall it being quite a bit longer. I know that TCM is very careful about showing movies in their entirety, so I find the cutting of "Ding, Dong" hard to believe myself. Other viewers of the movie tonight, please weigh in.

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You missed it because I was singing along! As a child I had a yellow 45 record with 4 songs on it. It was great until my brother sat on it and broke it. Imagine what it would be worth today!

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32 minutes ago, Dr. Cheryl said:

Really, "Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead" was NOT in the movie as it aired tonight on TCM. Dorothy douses the Scarecrow with water, and accidentally, she also douses the witch with water. The witch withers away and dies, and Dorothy thinks at first that the witch's guard is angry with her. Then she realizes that the witch's guard is delighted with what she's done, but there was no DING, DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD song, not tonight. The movie aired in less than two hours, and I recall it being quite a bit longer. I know that TCM is very careful about showing movies in their entirety, so I find the cutting of "Ding, Dong" hard to believe myself. Other viewers of the movie tonight, please weigh in.

"Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" is sung by the Munchkins after Dorothy's house falls on the witch of the east.

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3 minutes ago, Jim K said:

"Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" is sung by the Munchkins after Dorothy's house falls on the witch of the east.

Yes, you're right. Somehow I thought that it's sung much later in the movie in the castle after Dorothy accidentally douses the witch in an attempt to save the Scarecrow. Sorry about all of the confusion.

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Just now, Dr. Cheryl said:

Yes, you're right. Somehow I thought that it's sung much later in the movie in the castle after Dorothy accidentally douses the witch in an attempt to save the Scarecrow. Sorry about all of the confusion.

To many dying witches.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Cheryl said:

As Dr. Ament pointed out tonight during the 8 p.m. introduction to "The Wizard of Oz" with Ben Mankowitz, when Judy Garland sings "Over the Rainbow," she interacts with her environment at the same time that she contemplates leaving it. What a great insight, one that I would not have thought of myself. Question: what happened to "Ding, Dong, the Witch Is Dead"? Did I really just watch a truncated version of the movie? It did seem to be moving along really quickly, but I didn't know that TCM allows for the editing of any movies, much less a classic movie like "The Wizard of Oz."

Ding-dong, Witch Is Dead Song had to be there. TCM never edits films shown. Comes early on, after house lands on witch and they declare her dead. 

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A reprise of “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” was filmed after the Witch was melted but it was cut by the studio shortly after the first test showing. They thought the film was too long so they cut that out along with the triumphant return to the Emerald City. You can see a snippet of that scene in one of the trailers.

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1 minute ago, Susanhall said:

A reprise of “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” was filmed after the Witch was melted but it was cut by the studio shortly after the first test showing. They thought the film was too long so they cut that out along with the triumphant return to the Emerald City. You can see a snippet of that scene in one of the trailers.

Interesting. So I wasn't entirely wrong in thinking that "Ding, Dong, the Witch Is Dead" is sung in the castle after the witch is melted! Thank you for the additional information about the film.

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Watched most of the interview and this may be a bit off "Oz" topic, but it's time like these when I truly miss Robert Osborne. Osborne was a cinematic sponge, soaking up as much info from his many friends and acquaintances in the film industry and anyone else w/film knowledge. A testament to that were the decades of that absorbed knowledge he passed along to his readers/viewers & fans. 

While I don't dislike Mankiewicz,  and I'm appreciative of his knowledge & association w/the film industry, there were times when he almost seemed bored or dismissive of the tidbits & trivia imparted by Dr. Ament.  It's these "little" unknown-to-the-general-pop bits of behind-the-scenes info that we fans absolutely treasure. I didn't expect him to gush over her every word, but a little more enthusiasm and even feigned interest might have better influenced my opinion of the interview.

 

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17 hours ago, MotherofZeus said:

"Imposerous!" 

I'm ashamed to admit I am watching Game Five of the Stanley Cup Finals as a Capitols fan, so I can't say I was watching Wizard of Oz tonight. I can't believe, though, that TCM would ever show a truncated movie.  Especially one as untouchable as The Wizard of Oz. I hope you get confirmation from other viewers or TCM.

 

I've always loved the interaction of Dorothy with Toto, the farm, the air as she's singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow." Genuine perfection. 

So despite missing the film due to your love of the Capitols you win the prize!!!! Ding ding ding ding ding...dong the witch is dead...which old witch? The wicked witch ...yo ho!

Sorry, I couldnt resist...?

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1 hour ago, CynthiaV said:

So despite missing the film due to your love of the Capitols you win the prize!!!! Ding ding ding ding ding...dong the witch is dead...which old witch? The wicked witch ...yo ho!

Sorry, I couldnt resist...?

And I win because TCM didn't edit it out.  It seems that this discussion goes to show how important editing and direction are because we all cannot imagine the movie without this number.  That is something that is so amazing about The Wizard of Oz.  The many directors, the many continuity errors because of so many costume decisions and make up decisions, etc.... it is an incredible movie that was made by many chefs. Sometimes the true gems are made despite everyone's efforts to ruin it. I can sing every word. Say every word. Know every scene.  I know everyone knows the stories, but the movie continues to work magically to this day. "Ring around the rose a pocket full of spears!" All perfect. ?Oh, and I was so tired I misspelled my own team's name! "If I only had a brain..."

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STUFF and NONSENSE   the movie was not changed for this musical number.  Glinda the Good Witch early in the OZ segment says     "Let the joyous news be spread the wicked old witch at last is dead" and immediately the Munchkins start singing "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"   The song refers to the Wicked Witch of the East.....Not the Witch of the West.  I have also checked several versions that I have copies of including the 70th anniversary issue and none of them reprise this song for the Wicked Witch of the West.  The only song I know that was cut from the original movie was The Jitterbug Song and there are copies of that clip around if people want to see it.  Dr. Ament also mentions this on TCM.  

Further, the studio executives wanted to remove "Over the Rainbow" from the movie.  What an unimaginable tragedy that would have been.

The jitterbug song did result in a very strange brief element in the movie where we see the scarecrow with a gun, the Lyon with a bug spray can and the tinman with a wrench???????

 

 

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I haven’t seen it lately, but isn’t the tune of “Ding, dong, ...” played as underscoring when the Winkies march happily, escorting Dorothy and her friends after the Wicked Witch is extinguished? This could, in your memory, have made it seem like the whole number was done at that point.

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2 hours ago, MarkH said:

I haven’t seen it lately, but isn’t the tune of “Ding, dong, ...” played as underscoring when the Winkies march happily, escorting Dorothy and her friends after the Wicked Witch is extinguished? This could, in your memory, have made it seem like the whole number was done at that point.

That's an excellent point. It's funny how memory can fool us sometimes, isn't it?

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3 hours ago, GLSkipper said:

STUFF and NONSENSE

I've already said that I made a boo-boo. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, GLSkipper. None of us is perfect, not even you.

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Dr. Cheryl you are less wrong than you think!  Further to the story of "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead" the song appears in the early OZ segment with the munchkins as stated before.  The shooting script for the movie called for a celebration when Dorothy returns to Emerald City with the broom of the Wicked Witch of the West near the end of the movie. Also using the same song.  However, this scene was cut from the movie and the film clip was not retained.  The 70th anniversary edition of the movie has the sound track for this segment where they sing "Hail Hail the Witch is Dead" to the same tune. There are a few movie stills associated with this scene but no moving images are available.  TCM did not cut this it was removed long ago but it did exist.  

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9 hours ago, GLSkipper said:

TCM did not cut this it was removed long ago but it did exist.

So I guess I am less wrong than I thought! Had I made the movie, there would have been a reprise of "Ding, Dong" in the castle after the witch is melted. "I'm melting! I'm melting!" Here's a quarter. Call someone who cares!

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