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Psychopathic, Narcissistic, Machiavellian - Who Played Them Best

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Machiavelian - Charles Boyer in Gaslight

 

Narcissistic - Hurd Hatfield in The Picture of Dorian Grey

 

Psychopathic - Robert Walker in Strangers on a Train

 

Love to see your picks....

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Nice, nice Poinciana.

 

Well...my picks would be:

 

Machiavellian: BETTE DAVIS in "The Little Foxes" or JOAN CRAWFORD in "Queen Bee" or GEORGE SANDERS in A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

 

Narcissistic: BETTE DAVIS in "Mr. Skeffington" or the beautiful GENE TIERNEY in "Leave Her to Heaven." Beware!

 

Psychopathic: ROBERT MITCHUM in "Cape Fear" or ROBERT RYAN in S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G.

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Machiavellian: I agree with CineMaven - George Sanders in just about anything. Add Basil Rathbone to that. Also, Angela Lansbury in The Manchurian Candidate, Barbara Stanwyck in Double Idemnity, Burt Lancaster in Sweet Smell of Success, Orson Welles in The Third Man

 

Narcissistic: Gloria Swanson in Sunset Blvd., Jack Lemmon in The Great Race

 

Psychopathic: Cagney in White Heat, Joseph Cotton in Shadow of a Doubt, Bogey in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Bette Davis in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?, Sterling Hayden in Dr. Strangelove, of course Anthony Perkins in Psycho, and most of all, Margaret Hamilton in The Wizard of Oz

 

Thanks Poinciana, it's a fun question.

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OKAY, first of all you guys are going to have to define these words for me!

 

I know the Psycho one and I sorta know the Narcissistic one, but don't know the mach.....one!!!!!

 

PLEASE define!!

 

You guys are WAY too smart for me! :) LOL!

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You're not the only one. This forum constantly has me running to online dictonaries like http://www.thefreedictionary.com. It's good for my mind, so I love it.

 

Ma?chi?a?vel?li?an adj.

1. Of or relating to Machiavelli or Machiavellianism. (yeah, that really helps)

2. Suggestive of or characterized by expediency, deceit, and cunning.

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Ma?chi?a?vel?li?an adj.

1. Of or relating to Machiavelli or Machiavellianism. (yeah, that really helps)

2. Suggestive of or characterized by expediency, deceit, and cunning.>>

 

Al Pacino as Michael Corleone in *The Godfather, Part II* .

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Wow...this heaven for an insomniac. Can't get to my books as its 4:40 a.m. and I'll catch heck if I wake someone up. Izcutter...help with idiot answers I give.

 

Psychopathic-Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter

 

Narcissistic-Bette Davis' Mom in Now, Voyager (I know Izcutter saying the actresses name the moment its read), or Constance Bennet in a 1933 film as an American married to an Englishman with Title but no pounds.

 

Machiavellian-Tyrone Powers in Witness for the Prosecution

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ccbaxter...I am jealous that I didn't put down your wonderful answers. Good choices.

 

And again...GREAT question, Poinciana.

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Im going with Kathy Bates in Misery for Psychopathic, Bette Davis in Mr Skeffington for Narcissistic and well the 3rd word escapes me LOL

 

Message was edited by: TripleHHH

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Triple H...look at the choices that folks put down for Machiavellian and hopefully that will give you an idea of the type of actor that fits the bill.

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OK, I'll play -

 

_Machiavellian_ -

Burt Lancaster in *Seven Days In May* (having seen the clips recently in the Lancaster promo)

Anne Baxter in *All About Eve*

 

_Psychopathic_ -

Robert Mitchum in *Night Of The Hunter*

Richard Widmark in *Kiss Of Death* (thanks Cinemaven)

_Narcissistic_ -

Andy Griffith in *A Face In The Crowd*

Vivien Leigh in *Gone With The Wind*

 

Kyle In Hollywood

 

Message was edited by: hlywdkjk to correct the Widmark error

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Please, just one question: Wouldn't you say Widmark was psychopathic in "KISS OF DEATH"? He was a pickpocket in "PICK-UP ON SOUTH STREET."

 

Would you reconsider?

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Fabulously fun topic for a thread, Poinciana, and GREAT responses from the forum!

 

Here are mine...

 

Machiavelian: *Barbara Stanwyck* in 'The Strange Loves of Martha Ivers'

 

Psychopathic: *Peter Lorre* in 'M' (I would have said Robert Walker in 'Strangers on a Train', but you've already cited him)

 

Narcissistic: ANY of the *Plantagenet* family in 'The Lion in Winter' (what a bunch of egomaniacs!)

 

Message was edited by: Nando_Morton (because I changed my mind, like, seventy-two times!)

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*"Wouldn't you say Widmark was psychopathic in "KISS OF DEATH"? He was a pickpocket in "PICK-UP ON SOUTH STREET."*

 

Of course! My mistake. I've only seen the clip of the wheelchair scene and thought it was from *Pickup On South Street*. Thanks for the opportunity to correct the error.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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WOW! Everyone has such great answers!

 

Psychopathic - Anthony Hopkins in "Silence of the Lambs"

Machiavellian - Glenn Close in "Dangerous Liasons"

Narcissistic - Barbara Stanwyck - "The Strange Love of Martha Ivers"

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Hi Bargar. Your picks of Anthony Hopkins and Glenn Close were brilliant. Damn, why didn't I think of them!!

 

Who else did you think was narcissistic??

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Thanks Ciney for enjoying the Thread! And to everyone who's participating I'm relishing your choices...

 

Another Machiavelli in a skirt - Joan Fontaine as the worming, serpentine, (SNAKY) and fun Christabel in Born To Be Bad.

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I've heard of this film and that Fontaine was a hot mess in it. I've got to check this out one day.

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Thanks, Cinemaven! In going back over the thread I noticed someone had already picked

B. Stanwyck for a narcissist. OOPS!

NARCISSISTIC - How about - MICHAEL CAINE in "Alfie", JENNIFER JONES in

MADAME BOVARY, and LAURENCE OLIVIER in "Sleuth".

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Nope, respectfully Bargar, repeating Stanwyck was not my issue. Actually, I was trying to (very very gently) say that Stanwyck wouldn't really be described as narcissistic in "...Martha Ivers." But with Caine and Jones...you've nailed it.

 

Your choice is your choice, I know. I beg your pardon.

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"Au Contraire". May I respectfully submit that Martha IS a narcissist.

 

nar-cis-sism - inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity

 

I would say killing her aunt, marrying someone to keep from being blackmailed,

flaunting her authority, condescending attitude, proud of her power, using

sex to win over Sam What would you call it?

 

I am sincerely interested in a friendly way. :)

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I dunno Bargar. That doesn't quite feel narcissistic to me. Would Lana be narcissistic in "The Postman..."? Can anyone else weigh in on this...or shall I just drown?

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I believe Patty McCormack is both narcissistic and psychopathic in the Bad Seed--also just plain sick-O.

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File her under 'all of the above'. She makes Darth Vader look like Little Lord Fauntleroy.

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