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I'm new to classic movies, but have been watching TCM alot, lately. What amazes me is the communistic themes in some of the movies...even the oldest ones!

 

My impression of history has been that the fifties had capitalist and pro-Christian values. Now I see movies from the fifties and even older that show me communism and anti-Christian values showed up in abundance.

 

I expect that of movies from the sixties and later....but from the fifties and earlier???

 

Wow....just....wow.

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The communist movement gained a lot of ground following the onset of the great depression in 29-30.

Roosevelts "New Deal" was clearly socialist, by definition. Unions are considered a "communist entity" by many. So there certainly was a lot of "liberal communist" theater groups in the late 30's, moving into the 40's. So, needless to say, some of these ideologies are on display during Hollywoods pre and post war films.

I don't think the anti-Christianity group was as powerful, or as loud, however. It existed; it always will.

But I find the "leftist leanings" to be both louder and more predominant than the Christianity stuff.

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Thank you, mickeeteeze. Your post makes alot of sense. I can understand how the depression may have started all the communist sentiment.

 

I don't remember the name of the movie...but it was about a Swedish girl that ended up running for governor. The movie spoke well of (Franklin Delano Roosevelt?) and the founding of the United Nations. I nearly fell off my chair! It was called something different than the United Nations...but, I'll think off it later....

 

Anyway, I bet even FDR is spinning in his grave, seeing what has become of the U.N....or maybe not...

 

The anti-Christian messages are more subtle...a western movie (where they painted the town red) showed the town preacher as a "yellow belly" and a hypocrite.

 

And I can think of a few other examples...though they are subtle. It may also be that Ted Turner personally picks out these movies...so we're not going to see many pro- Christian ones.

 

You're right, though...the pro-communist sentiment is less subtle.

 

Hopefully, the more I watch classic movies and post here, the more my eyes will be opened to history.

 

TCM has become addicting to me. I love and hate it at the same time...if that makes any sense.

 

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t may also be that Ted Turner personally picks out these movies...so we're not going to see many pro- Christian ones.>>

 

Shaneequa,

 

Ted Turner has not controlled TCM since the late 1990s when he merged his broadcast empire with Time-Warner.

 

TCM (and the other Turner channels such as TBS and TNT) are now under the care and handling of Time-Warner.

 

The former Turner Film Library is under the care and handling of Warner Bros and TCM must rent all the films it shows from various studios and distribution companies.

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I'm new to classic movies, but have been watching TCM alot, lately. What amazes me is the communistic themes in some of the movies...even the oldest ones!

 

What a load of dung. Any movie that depicts two or more characters working toward any common goal is labeled "Communistic" by people like you.

 

The communist movement gained a lot of ground following the onset of the great depression in 29-30. Roosevelts "New Deal" was clearly socialist, by definition.

 

By whose definition, the above poster's?

 

In the walke of the Great Depression, Roosevelt's New Deal was merely a corrective, meant to ensure that government's purpose is to apply the principles set down by that bunch of notorious Communists back in 1787 -- the Framers of the Constitution -- when they wrote that the purpose of the United States was to (among other things), "establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility" and "promote the general Welfare," instead of letting aristocrats, plutocrats and businessmen run roughshod over the interests and basic economic security of the many.

 

You're sooo typical of the people in this country who have no idea of what they want, only a little idea of what they don't want, but very clear ideas of what they fear -- even if it makes no sense whasoever, and is injurious to that "general Welfare."

 

 

The anti-Christian messages are more subtle...a western movie (where they painted the town red) showed the town preacher as a "yellow belly" and a hypocrite.

 

And I can think of a few other examples...though they are subtle. It may also be that Ted Turner personally picks out these movies...so we're not going to see many pro- Christian ones.

 

Oh, the poor, poor, poor Christians! Let's take up a collection for them. It's an institution that's been around for two-thousand years but, every time someone utters so much as a syllable of criticism about it, you run around screaming that you're being thrown to the lions in the Colosseum. Christians control the vast majority of the wealth in this and every other Western society, control the institutions of government and culture -- in short, they get to choose who gets to join the country clubs and live in which neighborhoods -- but, you always manage to point to some perceived lack of extra-special privilege as "proof" that you're the poor, poor victims of an insidious campaign of discrimination.

 

Grow up, for chrissakes.

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"You're sooo typical of the people in this country who have no idea of what they want, only a little idea of what they don't want, but very clear ideas of what they fear -- even if it makes no sense whasoever, and is injurious to that "general Welfare."

 

Relax, pal. I happen to be "pro" New Deal, if it's at all possible to "support" policies 'come and gone' 75 years ago. I'm just pointing out that those policies would be considered socialist, by definition. And I'm OK with that, in fact. I also happen to be an 'up to date' dues paying member of a big NY trade union, proud of it.

I don't view 'socialist' as a dirty word. It doesn't mean the gyst of my post is incorrect, either. Hell, the 'commie activist' was a stock character in many an old WB 'social ills' film in the 30's. That, in and of itself, points towards the assumption that everybody in the audience knew one.

It's my own self educated belief that the socialist, or commie didn't become a 'broad stroked bad guy' until the cold war. I wasn't around then, but thats what it seems like.

Just because some people choose to negatively reflect on issues of old, doesn't mean the issues didn't exist.

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I know there was a cold war in the 80s...but do not know when it started. If the "red scare" was some time in the 50s, I'm guessing that's when the cold war started...

 

Please forgive my lack of knowledge in this area. I'm finding that the more I learn...the more I realize how much more there is to learn.

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Hello, Shaneequa:

 

Between 1934 and about 1960 the National Legion of Decency, a Catholic censorship board, pretty much dictated what was or was not acceptable film content. There's no way they'd have let an "anti-Christian" movie get released. Attacking the hypocrisy (or whatever) of an individual clergyman might have got past the censors, but no blanket condemnation of Christianity.

 

Naturally the L of D was also determined to eliminate anything which showed Communism in a good light. My guess is that what you are reacting to is the "progressive" attitude which was pretty much mainstream in American culture for most of the last century. Although there were some socialists and communists (in the strict sense of those terms) in Hollywood, they knew the open espousal of their beliefs would never make it past the censors, and so even the most radical kept their content safely within the bounds of the progressivist/liberal thinking which was then almost universally regarded as normal.

 

Keep on watching! The past is much more complex than some people today would like you to think.

 

Incidentally, although it's true that the Depression created quite a few left-leaning film makers, probably the most truly radical period in the history of American movies is actually the 1910s! Take a look at Kevin Brownlow's book, "Behind the Mask of Innocence"???it's a real eye-opener.

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You're right. There probably weren't many, due to the blacklisting....but there was one with Sidney Portieh (sp)....he played the good railroad boss that was murdered by an evil railroad boss. (hmmm, I'm thinking there was no communist theme that one).

 

But there was another rail-road themed movie that showed all the rail-road owners as evil men in suits. Maybe it was that way before the unions came in and fixed it. Anyway, I'm sure these movies were made in the 50s....as well as the one about a Swedish woman that ran for governor.

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Hang tough...

 

You do have supporters...

 

Communism is DEAD....

 

And people who try to re-live it are Dinosaurs...

 

Check out AFI'S top 100 films and you will find the Great Ben Hur is 100 out of 100--soon to be gone off the list for good.

 

Worse, yet, the 10 Commandments is not even in the top 100. A disgrace.

 

Hollywood used to have some balance.

 

Today, unfortunately, it has shifted to a leftist, humanist and socialist agenda.

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Thank you! I think, overall, the National Legion of Decency had done a good job. Though I'm not for censorship (completely), I happy to have a channel on my t.v. which is free of the bad language and negative propaganda.

 

It is good the NLD let some things slide...so we can see the views of these earlier times. I'm fascinated by the progressiveness of what I had earlier considered "the innocent times".

 

And it is interesting to see the seeds that led us to where we are today.

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I have never seen the Great Ben Hur on film. :(

 

...but I read the book. :)

 

Fortunately, I have The Ten Commandments! It is a newer version.

 

Another good movie is 'Barabbas!!!' Has TCM ever shown it? If they have, then I must give them "props

and kudos".

 

As for communism being dead, I do not think it will ever die completely....though it would be nice to have a balance of University professors...both left and conservative. As for now, they are leaning left with Hollywood.

 

Aw, well....we are living in interesting times. In some ways, it's exhilarating....both good and bad. Either way, it is good to be alive and hanging tough.

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"I know there was a cold war in the 80s...but do not know when it started. If the "red scare" was some time in the 50s, I'm guessing that's when the cold war started..."

 

In answer to the simple question of "When did the cold war start?", you could generalize it to be as soon as WWII stopped. In hindsight, some would even say the race to Berlin, as well as Soviet's Declaration of war towards Japan during the war were the actual moments.

Churchill famously used the phrase "Iron Curtain" to describe the Soviet bloc. During the war, Patton verbalized ideas about fighting right through Berlin, against the Russians.

Google "cold war", and read many different sites. Opinions on what really happened are still debated today, although there is plenty of common ground to all arguments.

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You're right. There probably weren't many, due to the blacklisting....but there was one with Sidney Portieh (sp)....he played the good railroad boss that was murdered by an evil railroad boss. (hmmm, I'm thinking there was no communist theme that one).

 

Poitier.

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The 1930s and the "Depression" years were hard times for the United States. Many feel that we were close to complete social collapse. Unions and communism were one and the same to many people. With 30+ % of the population unemployed, families were torn apart and criminals were popular heros. You might read, or watch, John Steinbeck's *"The Grapes of Wrath"* Both versions were condemned as "Red Propaganda" by many, both in the press and in the pulpit. Hollywood has always had a pro-religious and politically liberal slant. Something that can be considered good or bad, dependent upon one's personal viewpoint.

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> The 1930s and the "Depression" years were hard times for the United States. Many feel that we were close to complete social collapse. Unions and communism were one and the same to many people. With 30+ % of the population unemployed, families were torn apart and criminals were popular heros. You might read, or watch, John Steinbeck's *"The Grapes of Wrath"* Both versions were condemned as "Red Propaganda" by many, both in the press and in the pulpit. Hollywood has always had a pro-religious and politically liberal slant. Something that can be considered good or bad, dependent upon one's personal viewpoint.

 

Good point. Certain Henry Fonda fans (the ones that call him "Hank") are probably having a heart attack!

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I have a really funny fact I learned in American History this year, about "The Grapes Of Wrath".

 

Communist Russia tried to use "The Grapes Of Wrath" to enhance communism. They would show the film for free and everyone would come see it. They told the people that this was life in America. That everyone was like "the Okies", poor and hungry. But most of the people after seeing the film though even higher of America because, "Even the Okies had cars, in which to go to California with."

 

Isn't that hilarious? The Russians tried to use for Communism and it was condemned in America because of "Red themes", but it ended up making the poor enslaved people of Communism, think even better of the USA.

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