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ILoveRayMilland wrote: ""It's been around for two thousand years"....that tells you something right?"

 

So true...

 

When you cut out the bull and cut to the chase, Lefties, Communist and Socialist don't believe in God...

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"In the walke of the Great Depression"

 

"That should be "in the wake of the Great Depression,"[/i]

 

If you can't walke the walke, don't talke the talke.

 

 

When you cut out the bull and cut to the chase, Lefties, Communist and Socialist don't believe in God...

 

And what, exactly, has this belief in this god of yours got you?

 

 

Communist Russia tried to use "The Grapes Of Wrath" to enhance communism. They would show the film for free and everyone would come see it. They told the people that this was life in America. That everyone was like "the Okies", poor and hungry. But most of the people after seeing the film though even higher of America because, "Even the Okies had cars, in which to go to California with."

 

During the Great Depression there were a lot more people starving to death under Capitalism than under Communism (Stalin's cynical and brutal forced collectivization of the U.S.S.R. and the purging of the Kulaks not included). The incidents portrayed in Steinbeck's book, and 20th Century-Fox's film were true: vast economic dislocation throughout the U.S., with moneyed land-owners and banks taking advantage of farmers' inability to grow crops to seize their property (I'll bet that the same real-estate interests that just tried -- and failed -- to foist Proposition 98 on California voters under the guise of Eminent Domain reform would have been right at the head of the line in seizing others' properties, if the conditions that existed during the Depression were operative now), and xenophobic limitations on the part of state and local governments in limiting Americans' state-to-state migration.

 

The saddest thing is that the wealthiest nation on Earth is still unwilling to take responsibility for its citizens' welfare (the Republicans' opposition to legislation that would help homeowners through the current mortgage crisis, which they call a "bail-out" for those homeowners, all the while they rush to aid the banks and mortgage-lenders whose deceptive practices fueled the crisis to begin with).

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> {quote:title=CineSage_jr wrote:}{quote}

 

> During the Great Depression there were a lot more people starving to death under Capitalism than under Communism (Stalin's cynical and brutal forced collectivization of the U.S.S.R. and the purging of the Kulaks not included).

 

Yes, but let's go ahead and include them, since that will help provide a more accurate contrast between what was happening here in the 1930s and what was happening in the Soviet Union.

 

That little episode with the Kulaks to which you refer resulted from a

man-made famine, engineered by Stalin, in which more than five million peasants died at the rate of 25,000 per day. Nothing that happened here during the height of the Great Depression even comes close to that.

 

By the end of the 1930s, ten million people had been purged, and that's only about a quarter of the final death toll. I think that's worth remembering and worth including in any discussions of the two forms of government.

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Some people can see Communism in anything. I guess you could find Communism in the Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy if you want to. I once heard a guy on Johnny Carson say that if you play The Mr Ed TV song backwards it has satanic messages, but Johnny just questioned the type of person that would be playing Mr Ed backwards to begin with.

 

I can see how blacklisting was a big thing in Hollywood. Hey, you once were said to be a communist if you were in a union. Today you are considered some kind of communist or socialist if you want National Health Care, although why should doctors and hospitals be based on rich and poor, don't all Americans deserve health care ?

 

In 1776 this nation was formed on a belief in freedom. Now that freedom had to be defended a few times. Many times African Americans and Indians and Asian Americans wore the nations uniforms but were not given that respect after the wars.

 

Adolph Hitler believed in book burnings. ....

 

Books, Movies, Songs....Americans should be allowed to think and exchange ideas. ....Yes, some of the movies make you think....Maybe you don't agree with all of them....Myself I'm not a big fan of the movie Reds, but I support the right to make that movie. ....The flag stops waving for freedom if you censor poets, writers, painters and people of the arts. ....

 

Myself, I don't watch Hign Noon and look for an inside tale of blacklisting because the movie is very good just as a movie about a western marshall left all alone and I like it at the end when he throws his badge into the dust at the people of the town as he leaves forever with his wife. Now I've heard people say Cooper hides behind his wifes skirt in this movie and it isn't true. He is all alone until his wife helps out and its the criminal that hides behind his wife and uses her as a hostage. I use this as an example of how people can twist things.

 

So for all the God fearing fire and brimstone people out there, I say that whatever your religion is, that is your freedom....BUT....Do not enforce your religious beliefs in a way that will cause the USA to have book burnings and blacklisting. Freedom of speech and religion goes for the poets and writers and painters. Freedom of speech and religion goes for movies and plays.

 

I would hope that we are still allowed to think

 

There have been some Presidential Administrations that have not been very big on wanting to let WE THE PEOPLE think. .....but if the day ever comes when we are not allowed to think, then the flag no longer stands for anything because without freedom, without thought....Don't you see that THAT IS the communism you are so afraid of. ....If we take away our own rights and freedoms then we have lost...and if we censor the movies, how long before your sacred churches are censored afterwards.

 

I also like Grapes of Wrath very much and I really don't care if some religious groups still have an attitude about the book or the movie. ...Again, I guess I'm still allowed to think. .....Over in Iran alot of religious groups want to tell the world what to think, and I don't really care about those religious groups either. They all have the right to worship however they choose, just don't force it on everybody else. Muslim, Christian, Hebrew, Atheist, whatever.....just don't force it on everybody else. That takes away other peoples freedoms and rights.

 

There will always be those who play Mr Ed backwards to see if there are hidden satanic messages or those who find communism in Shirley Temple or Lucy or Ma and Pa Kettle.

 

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Cine wrote: "During the Great Depression there were a lot more people starving to death under Capitalism than under Communism (Stalin's cynical and brutal forced collectivization of the U.S.S.R. and the purging of the Kulaks not included)."

 

Why not include it? It is Communism is it not?

 

Historians point out there were up to 20 million Russian people killed or died due to Joseph Stalin's BRUTAL tactics. Remember the Gulags? All the deported Russian citizens? The executions? I don't think that happened in the good ole U.S.A.

 

Your comments seem to indicate you despise and loathe FREEDOM.

 

"And what, exactly, has this belief in this god of yours got you?

 

I don't discuss my personal belief in the Almighty on the internet. Let it be enough to say I have a deep and abiding belief in the Three Person God.

 

 

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean?power over people, power to the State."

 

Margaret Thatcher The Iron Lady

 

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>"When you cut out the bull and cut to the chase, Lefties, Communist and Socialist don't believe in God..."

 

>And what, exactly, has this belief in this god of yours got you?

 

I didn't say that. You're quoting someone else.

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Also being "politically correct" is a way for modern society telling all of us how to think. That can be considered a form of communism.

 

The ray of sunshine I see is that one day communism itself will be relegated to the trash heap of history.

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Much of FDR's social program was based on Catholic Social Teaching. In my Catholic Grammar School years many of the Nuns were very critical of Roosevelt's New Deal and liberalism in general. IMHO another example of the Church working against it self and to the detriment of the general public.Because of the misguided beliefs of the nuns , locally many were belivers in ' the Chicago Tribune " view of history, the nation was inflicted with the dreadful Nixon, Reagan, Bush (41 ) and Bush ( 43 ), Mr Clinton was certainly no prize either. In recent years the American Church has been inflicted with too many people who make " America " and " Capitalism " their Gods and hence the rise , in America, of greed and and hatred !

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ken123 wrote: "America " and " Capitalism " their Gods and hence the rise , in America, of greed and and hatred ! "

 

Oh, yes, Big Bad America, the greatest society this world has ever seen which allows someone like you to express your views here on the Internet.

 

America, Home of The Free and The Brave...

 

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The mentality that says " America Love it or Leave It" is still very much with us and with that " no nothing " attitude the Country falls deeper into the abyss.

 

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" no nothing " attitude the Country falls deeper into the abyss."

 

Oh, I see.

 

You are smarter than the rest of us and will lead us to the promised land...

 

Typical Lefty...

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" I love America, I love America, I love America" . Now all is well ! Please stop the name calling and act like a grown up. I did not attack you, but I offered my opinion. Saying how great America is ( was ) accomplishes nothing. A recent survey shows that Euopeans show that that do not feel that America is a force for good in the world under the leadership of Mr. Bush, I was very different under " those traitorous liberals " FRD & JFK ".

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Ken wrote: "A recent survey shows that Euopeans show that that do not feel that America is a force for good in the world under the leadership of Mr. Bush, I was very different under " those traitorous liberals " FRD & JFK ".

 

Ah, yes...those virtuous Europeans who gladly accept our NATO forces to protect them.

 

Let them lobby to take up their own defense, eh?

 

Europe owes its Freedom to The Home of The Free and The Brave.

 

By the way, My Name Is Jake.

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Hi Ya FredC... Come on up here on the escarpment and join this Ole Injun. We'll have fun watching the dust and feathers fly while we clog our arteries with some fry bread. ( Hang the cholesterol. But,if we only did things that were good for us, maybe we wouldn't live forever. It would just feel like it...)

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"( Hang the cholesterol. But,if we only did things that were good for us, maybe we wouldn't live forever. It would just feel like it...)"

;-) Agreed!

 

Which reminds me of a riddle......

In those "forever after" 50 year marriages, why is it the husband usually dies first?

 

Because he wants to !

:D

 

Who was FRD?

 

That great American....FRD FIRESTONE.

PS. I like FDR.

 

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