MissGoddess Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Yes, and he kept the 5 bucks anyway! Chisler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I'm waiting for Gable to meet Wynn's comedy writers: "Yada dah, over there! Awful!" ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Oh, that's right, the burlesque comic, lol. That's a great scene, I love the writers and their expressions at Keenan's awful gags. I also love Adolph Menjou's sweaty, nervous expression over Gable's taciturnity at the meeting with Greenstreet. "Check!" "Check!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dammy he's good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Didja notice the quick shot of Marie Windsor in the subway car next to Ava's? She's mentioning a mink coat. Those eyes. P.S. I meant the Edward Arnold scene when they actually do the buying and selling of Buddy Hare. My baad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Oooh, I had to correct something: Gable talks to Ava about the music Greenstreet likes: "Over there, da da daaaah." When one talks about Gable, you've got to get it correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 One last thing before I ring off re: "The Hucksters." What do you suppose Greer Garson thought when she saw Deborah Kerr in this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > Didja notice the quick shot of Marie Windsor in the subway car next to Ava's? She's mentioning a mink coat. Those eyes. > Not this time! When I saw her in past viewings it was before I knew who she was! That's so neat! > P.S. I meant the Edward Arnold scene when they actually do the buying and selling of Buddy Hare. My baad. Isn't it great to see Arnold here? And wasn't that James Dunn as one of the writers??? Or am I dreaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > One last thing before I ring off re: "The Hucksters." What do you suppose Greer Garson thought when she saw Deborah Kerr in this movie. Ha! I'll let Miss Butterscotch answer that one! nite nite "Over there...over there..." Ava was so very fresh and lovely in this. I like how you can see both she and Deborah were being built up, they both shine in The Hucksters. You know, as sexy and wonderful as Ava and Clark are together, I actually feel more heat in his scenes with Deborah. I always feel torn about which one I want to walk off with him. OK, back now to Guest in the House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 "...And wasn't that James Dunn as one of the writers??? Or am I dreaming?" - Miss Goddess. It was a dream Miss Goddess. The two writers were Douglas Fowley and Frank Albertson. When Judge Judy finishes tearing these folks apart..I'll start with "Guest In the House." Oh boy, YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 tell me more about Ralphie boy. I feel the wife was the too naive one until too late. Well... I guess to be fair... they both were. But HE really did seem "clueless" for someone who was supposed to be so "in tune' with women. Possible Spoiler issues: First of all.... it WAS naive for him to spend SO much time alone with that model... both IN "close quarters" and OUT of them (like the swimming and the going to town, etc) and for just the reasons I mentioned earlier (about not setting yourself up to be misunderstood and gossiped about) If they had not been alone together so often... it would not have been so likely to be misconstrued. And yes... I blame his wife for all that as well. Everyone was above board and trustworthy, so I just don't think it ever entered their mind to worry about it... but I say again... naive.They BOTH should not have been so surprised at what ended up happening, because it was only a matter of time before SOME mean spirited person said SOMETHING.... (because THAT is what gossips do) They should have NEVER allowed themselves to be in an arrangement that would so easily be able to be misinterpreted by people who *A)* did NOT know them so well... or ** (like in Evelyn's case) who could purposely "twist" it into something "dishonest" looking. It is that whole "make sure you avoid the appearance of evil" thing that I mentioned. The more time he spent alone w/ his model (a coworker and friend) the less time he spent alone with his wife. And a married man allowing himself to be in THAT sort of situation so frequently is just setting himself (and everyone else) up for trouble... even if everyone and everything is honest and innocent. Evelyn was only able to accomplish what she did because he (and the wife and model) had become so comfortable with this sort of arrangement that they failed to see what it COULD look like to those less loving than the immediate family members. And that is what allowed those seeds of doubt to be planted and then things just went downhill for everyone (except Evelyn) after that. And as far as Evelyn was concerned, the first time old Ralphie boy has any REAL "interaction" with her.... he came off more or less like a 'father" figure... rescuing her from the scary "leaf shadows" outside her window. And in his mind, he kept on with that mental picture of her and viewed her like some poor scared child who just needed to build up her confidence and then everything would be "ok". He seemed to have a way of "boxing women into preconceived molds". They all saw it as a "gift" or a "knack"... but it made him a bit "arrogant" as a result (because he truly believed in his own "gift"). ... and he really had NO understanding of how WRONG about her he really was.until it was almost too late. And his choosing her clothes for her was WAY out of line... no matter how "innocent" his intentions. Even though the other women seemed to encourage it.. and even though he made some sort of mention about how he'd helped his daughter with her hair ribbons with pretty much the same technique he should have REALIZED that this woman was NOT a close relative and his efforts to help her relax and build up her confidence were like throwing gasoline on a forest fire. And.... ps... he may have viewed her like a sort of daughter that first night in her room.... but the way he drew her on that lampshade was ANYTHING but "daughterly". He was just ridiculously "obtuse" in not recognizing the difference between the woman in the rich dark sultry gown and his sweet little blonde hair daughter. I think he just saw himself as a "what women need" kinda fix it guy. Which I guess is ok if everyone understands their ROLES in that sort of scenario.... but NOT ok if they don't. So he was stupidly naive in assuming Evelyn (a woman w/ KNOWN mental problems) would fit into the pretty little mold he was making for her. He struck me as a being a bit "obtuse" too.... when he started to see how things were getting said and done w/regard to the model... and the way that all turned out... he immediatly went from spending all his time with ONE woman (who was not his wife) to spending even MORE time with ANOTHER woman (who was also not his wife). He KNEW his marriage had just suffered a direct blow... and he needed to try and fix the issues with his wife at that point instead of continuing to let things get even further out of hand. And the wife WAS naive too... but she was also just as "stupid". Instead of first resisting and then finally giving in to the innuendo and gossip, she SHOULD have gone to her husband the minute things started to "appear" that way to others and fix the problem. If she had just told them both that things were getting said and that they needed to resolve the issues so that the gossip could be "nipped" in the bud, it might have all played out differently. But instead, she tried to 'spare" them from it... and it ended up almost costing her her marriage. Again... it all goes back to what I was saying before... if they had not allowed that situation to be set up like that in the first place.... NONE of that stuff would have ever happened.... (but then of course... the movie would have been boring.... ha) Ok.... I know... I am really "pounding" on this issue.. sorry. And I suppose I sound like I am blaming THEM... when the truth is.. it was EVELYN who abused their trust and stirred up all the strife... But I really think they are at least a little at fault because they willingly let her chip away at the foundations of their marriage by foolishly giving her the tools to do it with. So in a way... they were at least partly to blame for the mess that was made when things began to fall apart. Hope this all made some sort of sense.... I may be off a bit.... but it all seemed this way to me. PS......... I'm loving my Clark in The Hucksters right now. What hunny bunch OH! April.. I missed the beginning of that movie... but I got to watch most of it... LOVED it all to pieces!!! :-) Message was edited by: rohanaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Hey, is THE HUCKSTERS the movie where Sydney Greenstreet expectorates on a desk in the first scene? It's interesting to think what EVElyn and EVE Harrington have in common, "an inability to love and be loved, and a contempt for humanity" (as Addison DeWitt describes himself and Eve) They both live in their dreams -- Eve is obsessed with movies, because they're more real to her than her sorry little life, and Evelyn plays "Leibestraum" over and over because she's hoping a dream lover will rescue her from a lonely existence. They're flirtatious but afraid of sex and fear emotional intimacy. They enjoy being the "calm" at the center of the storms that they themselves create. Underneath their sweet, passive, polite exteriors, lie rage, bitterness, envy, and basic self-loathing. They are parasites and vampires who draw sustenance and strength from their victims, whom they lull into believing only the best about them. Every time I saw Anne, I was so repelled because she looked like she was just INFESTED with her pathology, and no amount of therapy could ever help. In creepily raspy, whispery voiceovers, Evelyn asks herself why she feels the need to act the way she does. but in a fascinated way that makes you know she's almost PROUD of the fact that she can't figure herself out. Whenever she came around a corner (and yes, I noticed her resemblance to a bird in some shots) or popped up in the dark, I cringed, because it was like being in a nightmare where you couldn't escape the blood-sucking fiend with the smiling face. And speaking of infestation, it's ironic that Evelyn seems to be a germophone. She wants the room that Earnest (Jerome Cowan) stayed in fumigated, and, when Lee, fascinated by Evelyn's strange beauty, tries to touch her face, Evelyn quickly backs away. (although I'm not exactly sure why) Evelyn also thinks sex is dirty, and is shocked and distainful of Miriam and her posing. "I'd rather die than do that". As Miss G. stated, the family was somewhat unconventional. They seemed very tolerant and easy-going, so it didn't seem completely strange to me that Miriam was living under their roof for the summer. And Ralph seemed to have such a stable, loving, and passionate relationship with Ruth, I initially didn't think anything of the arrangement with the model. Then...I began to think, okay, maybe that wasn't such a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > So Kathy, Lady B---would you have been fooled by Evelyn? I'm fairly certain I would not be taken in by her. My B.S. meter is pretty good. (for the most part) I've met a few people like her, as I'm sure you all have, over the course of my life, and learned how to sidestep them. > > Watching *Sign of the Ram* last night made me think of this movie (which is > the better of the two) and how movies like this are predicated on how clueless > can you keep the unsuspecting "victims" without them coming off as fools. I think > it works best if at least one character is "on to" the sneak and in Guest in the House, > Jerome Cowan provided that link. I absolutely LOVED his words after first meeting > "Evelyn"---it reminded me totally of Thelma Ritter in the dressing room with Bette: > (I'm paraphrasing from memory) "I haven't seen a scene played that well since Laurette > Taylor did it." Ha haaaaa!! And Ralph Bellamy poo-pooed him for saying it. > > Sign of the Ram wasn't as good because the people just seemed too idiotic to believe > in the deceiver, in their case, over a course of years. However, I did enjoy the > movie and it's seaside spookiness. > > Poor *Susan Peters*, I never knew her life story before, how ghastly!!!! It always amazes me how calm and cool these villians are, because doesn't it take a lot of ENERGY to deceive? I mean, they all should be exhausted at the end of the day. I liked the brooding Gothic atmosphere in THE SIGN OF THE RAM as well, but didn't believe an iota of the story, or the motivations of the victims. Message was edited by: Bronxgirl48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 "If any of you can bear to watch films on YouTube, I recommend this ripping good yarn that makes Ann Baxter's performance in All About Eve look like a cakewalk. It's John Brahm's GUEST IN THE HOUSE (1944): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWpj1Zg2DOo " I think I may have to ask you to make a list for me, Miss Goddess of ten MUST-SEE films becuz this one ("Guest In the House") is a rip roaring hoot!!! I'm only up to Chapter 8, and the video keeps getting stuck in the same spot at YouTube, but I hope it rights itself. Yes you're right...Eve Harrington has nothing on Evelyn, but I wonder if it's becuz she's allowing us to see all of her Machiavellian machinations. I haven't finished the movie yet, but when I do, I'll ramble. And there will be spoilers so forewarned is forearmed. To be continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 "If any of you can bear to watch films on YouTube, I recommend this ripping good yarn that makes Ann Baxter's performance in All About Eve look like a cakewalk. It's John Brahm's GUEST IN THE HOUSE (1944): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWpj1Zg2DOo " I think I may have to ask you to make a list for me, Miss Goddess of ten MUST-SEE films becuz this one ("Guest In the House") is a rip roaring hoot!!! I'm only up to Chapter 8, and the video keeps getting stuck in the same spot at YouTube, but I hope it rights itself. Yes you're right...Eve Harrington has nothing on Evelyn, but I wonder if it's becuz she's allowing us to see all of her Machiavellian machinations. I haven't finished the movie yet, but when I do, I'll ramble. And there will be spoilers so forewarned is forearmed. To be continued...... Message was edited by CineMaven becuz again there is a glitch in the program that produced this double post. It's not me being narcissistic...or talking to myself...or burying my self. That's not my m.o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Barbara/Kathy---you ladies are RAZOR sharp! Ha! Nothing gets past you two, that's for sure. I hope if I ever have a "guest in the house" one of you will come over and tell me if she passes muster. Excellent ramble. Kathy---you really opened my eyes as to the responsibility Ralphie had leading up to the inevitable. And I completely concurr and thought at the time it was incredulous how irresponsible he was to get SO upset at his wife as to go off with another woman (to all intents and purposes---he was going to "cool off" and paint, maybe, but Evelyn had other ideas). He picked the worst time to go storming off in a huff and it's true, he seemed ready to believe everyone but his wife. That is something no wife, no woman of spirit, can tolerate. Barbara - I love your descriptions! Reading about your visceral response from Evelyn's appearance and behavior is like watching the movie over again. She had the strangest way of moving and body language, very "in character". I can only imagine Ann Baxter really got into this part, I wonder how she was to live with at this time. Was it around the time of this film she and Hodiak were married or busted up? Maybe she came home as "Evelyn" one too many times. She seemed eerily intense about the performance. I definitely think she is one actress who far excels at playing over-the-top, crazy broads as opposed to quiet, good girls. I sometimes find her, ironically, more "actressy" when she's playing "good". CineMaven/FrankGrimes - What did you think? Maven has indicated she liked what she saw so far. Mr Grimes, do you dare to dip your toe in the pool or have we ladies scared you into the shadows---with Evelyn? Anyone else get a chance to see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Funny, I'm writing my notes so far since I'm up to this point (Chapter 8) and I've used the word "actressy." I think I'm on the right track with youse guyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > I know this ALSO sounds crazy, but I actually think this movie is the prettiest I've ever seen Ann Baxter. I guess crazed and pasty white suits her, Ha!!! Sort of like Gloria Holden in DRACULA'S DAUGHTER. It's that death-in-life look: http://us.imdb.com/media/rm1701287936/nm0390192 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieTSB Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Shhhh... don't get us started on Gloria Holden! I have so much trouble explaining why I'm spending so much time with Ann Baxter and Frances Gifford lately. If I get caught with Gloria Holden, too... yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 CineMaven/FrankGrimes - What did you think? Maven has indicated she liked what she saw so far. Mr Grimes, do you dare to dip your toe in the pool or have we ladies scared you into the shadows---with Evelyn? Snippy lasses do frighten me so. Get back in your gilded cage! I thought Guest in the House was okay. What I liked most was Anne Baxter and I found myself quite attracted to Ruth Warrick. I was also STUNNED to find one of the most erotic sex scenes in classic film. Yay! And I love this kind of playfulness!: I'm someone who believes a guy patting a gal is one of the best ways he can show affection. Maybe that's why I'm forever single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Trust you to pick that scene. Get back in your gilded cage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Trust you to pick that scene. What scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Never has anything been read so.... distractingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Never has anything been read so.... distractingly. You got me to laugh. And I will be getting with you later, friendo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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