Movie Rambles

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Heat? With you? No, no, no. I'm not worried about the heat with you. It's the ice. :p

 

 

Don't worry about the ice, the remake of 3:10 to Yuma is NOT WORTHY of either. It is a vacuum that can attract neither heat nor ice.

[FrankGrimes]

Don't worry about the ice, the remake of 3:10 to Yuma is NOT WORTHY of either. It is a vacuum that can attract neither heat nor ice.

 

This is a trap. Ohhh, no, I'm in trouble.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Don't worry about the ice, the remake of 3:10 to Yuma is NOT WORTHY of either. It is a vacuum that can attract neither heat nor ice.

>

> This is a trap. Ohhh, no, I'm in trouble.

 

Yes, indeed (see Kathy's "Squirrely" post to you). The eyes of Coop/Ford/Duke are upon you...

 

And they're frowning.

[FrankGrimes]

The eyes of Coop/Ford/Duke are upon you... And they're frowning.

 

I dropped two Coop films in my 3:10 to Yuma comments. TWO!

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> The eyes of Coop/Ford/Duke are upon you... And they're frowning.

>

> I dropped two Coop films in my 3:10 to Yuma comments. TWO!

 

That's what he's frowning over.

[rohanaka]

BEWARE OF SPOIL SLICKS

 

Grey Guy...I am glad of your spoilers....It really gave me some insight as to how the two films compare to each other. If you like a good character study, you would probably enjoy the earlier version...but it does sound as though there is a lot more "action" in the new one. I really liked the original version of this film a lot...and I feel like maybe my comment questioning the new film (way back several posts earlier) may have sparked some of the conversations that led to all these details getting "spoiled out" here....so I am finding this entire conversation very fascinating.

 

And it now seems to me--though they share the same name...you folks are all talking about two completely differentl movies. And each seem to have their own merits....I am intersted enough to see the remake...not to necessarily compare it to the original now (because I don't think it will--sort of maybe an apples and oranges issue here) But rather it may interesting just to watch it for itself.

 

Have you ever seen Reign of Fire? That is the first Christian Bale film I ever recall watching. ( if I recall--my husband and I went to the theater and saw it when it came out several years ago) and while it may not be at the top of any "world's greatest film" lists..we both agreed that we thought it was a good modern "monster" movie. I remember thinking after that movie that Bale had a lot of potential as an actor--at least I thought he did well in the character he played there--but I am not too familiar with much of his other work...so after reading your commments, I would like to see how he does in this one

 

I was disappointed to hear Crowe was so disappointing to April and some of the others who mention him...he usually does well...(probably my two favorites for him would be Master and Commander and also A Beautiful Mind)....so I would be sorry if he doesn't live up to the impressions I got from his other work.

 

Maybe will have to put watching the remake in the back of my "movies I wanna see someday" list. Especially if there is a lot more realism in the violence...(sounds like the end might be a bit rough) I can't handle too much ewww and goo myself...and we have to keep the short person otherwise occupied when stuff like this is on....or we just have to wait til she goes to bed....so who knows WHEN I will ever find time to watch it.

[MissGoddess]

Maybe will have to put watching the remake in the back of my "movies I wanna see someday" list. Especially if there is a lot more realism in the violence...(sounds like the end might be a bit rough) I can't handle too much ewww and goo myself...and we have to keep the short person otherwise occupied when stuff like this is on....or we just have to wait til she goes to bed....so who knows WHEN I will ever find time to watch it.

 

The movie is filled with (in my opinion) gratuitous violence from start to finish---more red paint

was sloshed around than I've ever seen in any western. Not even in the Wild Bunch was

there as much. And with no meaning whatsoever, except to appeal to the 14 year old males

in the audience.

[FrankGrimes]

BEWARE OF SPOIL SLICKS

 

If you like a good character study, you would probably enjoy the earlier version...but it does sound as though there is a lot more "action" in the new one.

 

I love character studies and I prefer classic to contemporary more often than not.

 

I really liked the original version of this film a lot...and I feel like maybe my comment questioning the new film (way back several posts earlier) may have sparked some of the conversations that led to all these details getting "spoiled out" here....so I am finding this entire conversation very fascinating.

 

Your 3:10 to Yuma post definitely sparked an interest in quite a few on this thread. I was going to post my feelings on the remake a few days ago but I didn't find the time. When I saw Laffite and others remark on their disbelief in the ending of the remake, I thought I would speak for the other side, knowing I'd have to present my case.

 

And it now seems to me--though they share the same name...you folks are all talking about two completely differentl movies. And each seem to have their own merits....I am intersted enough to see the remake...not to necessarily compare it to the original now (because I don't think it will--sort of maybe an apples and oranges issue here) But rather it may interesting just to watch it for itself.

 

I cannot comment on how different the two films are yet. I'm curious to know now.

 

I don't think you'd like the remake, Kathy. The ending is pretty tough, believability aside.

 

Have you ever seen Reign of Fire? That is the first Christian Bale film I ever recall watching. ( if I recall--my husband and I went to the theater and saw it when it came out several years ago) and while it may not be at the top of any "world's greatest film" lists..we both agreed that we thought it was a good modern "monster" movie. I remember thinking after that movie that Bale had a lot of potential as an actor--at least I thought he did well in the character he played there--but I am not too familiar with much of his other work...so after reading your commments, I would like to see how he does in this one

 

I haven't seen Reign of Fire but I'm going to add it to my list now. I'll ask my brother if he has seen it, as well. He's the one who gets me to watch contemporary films. The Bale films I have see are American Psycho, The Machinist, Batman Begins, The Prestige, and The Dark Knight. I like all of those films with the exception of American Psycho. It's amazing to see how skin and bones Bale is in The Machinist to what he looks like in Batman Begins.

 

I want to watch Bale in Terrence Malick's The New World.

 

I was disappointed to hear Crowe was so disappointing to April and some of the others who mention him

 

Ohh, don't listen to her. She's looking at his body only.

 

he usually does well...(probably my two favorites for him would be Master and Commander and also A Beautiful Mind)....so I would be sorry if he doesn't live up to the impressions I got from his other work.

 

A Beautiful Mind is a Crowe film that interests me.

 

Maybe will have to put watching the remake in the back of my "movies I wanna see someday" list. Especially if there is a lot more realism in the violence...(sounds like the end might be a bit rough) I can't handle too much ewww and goo myself...and we have to keep the short person otherwise occupied when stuff like this is on....or we just have to wait til she goes to bed....so who knows WHEN I will ever find time to watch it.

 

I just don't see you liking it all that much. If anything, you'd like Christian Bale's "Dan" and the evolution of his relationship with his eldest son. I think the rest of the film would be a bit rough for you.

[Bronxgirl48]

I've got the Beanie Baby rabbit! "Hopper", and he's got beautiful blue eyes but a very forlorn face. He's white and gray. Is that your bunny too?

 

I've always lived in apartments but have a house mentality. I even like townhomes.

 

I've got my big ceramic pumpkin at the ready as well. I put it out around the first of October, and I also buy the little pumpkin babies you see in the supermarket fruit and veg section.

 

I know what you mean about riders.....unfortunately these days I'd rather be alone with my horsie than with most of the male specimens out there in my neighborhood.

 

I was looking forward to seeing or recording RAFFLES and also ONE WAY PASSAGE but unfortunately some family business came up at the last minute. I haven't seen many Kay Francis films, unfortunately.

[MissGoddess]

Oooooh, how sweet! Yes! My bunny is the little gray and white one, too!

 

I love the baby pumkinettes that appear in the fall, I'm always tempted to buy them but have

nowhere to put them. They're so cute.

 

I'm so sorry you missed those divine movies last night, Bronxie! They were sooooo

wonderful and I was delighted to finally get them recorded on dvd. I absolutely adore

Jewel Robbery and One-Way Passage, in case I haven't mentioned it. You would,

too, I know. You would die for Bill Powell's characters. Here's hoping either TCM

airs them again, soon, or they FINALLY come to DVD. Like Robert Osbourne said

in his introduction, there are many "Kay Francis addicts" out there.

[Bronxgirl48]

Aww, we've both got our little stuffed pookahs. (considerably smaller and also visible)

 

Buy the wee pumpkins and put them on your kitchen, dining room, coffee, and end tables; move them around as the mood suits; I'm sure you'll find more than one place for them. After all, they need homes and love, the dear orange hearts....

 

I've only seen Kay in the Marx Bros. COCONUTS, IN NAME ONLY, LITTLE MEN, a treacly bit of business I believe is called MY BILL, and something else where she's at a nightclub but that name escapes me entirely; it ran several months ago. So I've got a lot of Francis catching up to do.

 

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[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=Bronxgirl48 wrote:}{quote}

> Aww, we've both got our little stuffed pookahs. (considerably smaller and also visible)

>

 

Ha! I never thought about it but it makes sense, Harvey was a rabbit so it stands to reason there would be many little Harvies scattered about.

 

>

> I've only seen Kay in the Marx Bros. COCONUTS, IN NAME ONLY, LITTLE MEN, a treacly bit of business I believe is called MY BILL, and something else where she's at a nightclub but that name escapes me entirely; it ran several months ago. So I've got a lot of Francis catching up to do.

>

 

There are some fun pre-codes coming up and those really are her best. You have seen possibly her worst films, except *In Name Only* (which shows her only as a baddie). I'm sure dentist bills went up after audiences saw *My Bill*. It sounds like nothing you've seen has prepared you for what she was like in her pre-codes. She was all over the place (dramatic, mad-cap, daring) so

there's bound to be one or two you'll like.

[rohanaka]

Grey Guy--

 

I haven't seen ANY of the other Christian Bale films you listed....I hope you like Reign of Fire..it's sort of futuristic....but in a medieval way....won't say much more than that Since you are planning on seeing it now...except that Bale's character is interesting to me because of the different ways he has to relate to all the other characters...he's their leader, "savior", a "father figure" and "friend"...and most of all he's their protector....and he takes his job very seriously. Won't say anymore than that...but if you aren't a fan of "monster" movies....you may or may not like this one. (there is however--a lot of action and suspense)

 

love character studies

 

Me too...

 

knowing I'd have to present my case

 

I think you (and everybody else) did a great job of that on this one.

 

don't think you'd like the remake, Kathy. The ending is pretty tough, believability aside

 

I'm tougher than you may think...( I recall telling someone on here once that I am sometimes referred to in certain circles as "Colt 45..the Peacemaker) :-) I can handle a little grit in a movie--if the story is good. But it is when they start blowing off body parts and blood is gushing everywhere....just because they think it will make a story more entertaining...that is when I lose interest. (In fact--that is what kept me from seeing Gladiator (another Crowe favorite) for several years..I was afraid there would be flying body parts everywhere...and when I did watch it...there were some of those things present in the movie..but it was an inherent part of the story that you would expect in a film about a Gladiator...so I could handle it....But if there is no real reason for the carnage except to entertain(??) Then I get disgusted (and not because I am grossed out) So having read your post now...and also April's....I may wait a while....maybe it will make it to an edited for TV showing someday.

 

Ohh, don't listen to her Now is that anyway to talk about our dear friend???? She is a very reliable source for me when it comes to stuff on here so I do value her opinion. But I also get a kick out of the two of you fussing and feuding sometimes. (April....you always give as good as you get!) :-)

 

A Beautiful Mind is a Crowe film that interests me

 

It is a very thought-provoking and powerful story. And Crowe is very believable. I remember seeing an interview about John Nash and how Crowe tried to be authentic in his portrayal...and little Opie Taylor does a good job directing too....there are some interesting ways he translates what is being seen into how Crowes character is "seeing it" (does that make sense?) Won't go too much further since I don't' want to enter into "spoiler territory" but if you get the chance....this would be a good film to add to your "must see" list....this one and ....of course...THE QUIET MAN--(I had to say it..I am honor bound by my Ford/Coop/Duke code of ethics.)

 

just don't see you liking it all that much. If anything, you'd like Christian Bale's "Dan" and the evolution of his relationship with his eldest son. I think the rest of the film would be a bit rough for you.

 

Give me a scale to compare....I've seen Fargo...Saving Private Ryan...Unforgiven....Capt Quint get eaten by a killer Shark in Jaws....the "face-melting scene" from Raiders of the Lost Ark... anywhere close to any of that?? I have an eww and goo technique when things get too messy--I cover up my eyes at a diagonal....if you do it that way you can still see the top right corner of the screen and the bottom left corner....since most of the goo happens in the middle--this usually gets me through the worst of it. But having said all that....I think violence in a movie needs to have a reason....(just like violence in real life) and so if it is there to draw out a certain aspect of the tale being told.....some sort of conflict or an inherent part of a character's make up or dilemma or crisis.....it can sometimes be an effective part of the story as a whole.

 

But I have never been one to think violence should be used as entertainment....much the same way that I tend to draw the line if every other word is F---- etc (Fargo was hard to watch more for that reason than the violence.) Of course, some cussing in a cowboy movie is to be expected and believable because they likely would have talked that way--but when it is gratuitous...over and over again..for no apparent reason--I start getting ticked off and looking for a bar of soap to wash out their filthy little mouths...Oh--- and I also like all the actors to maintain a at least a minimum of their attire throughout the movie...

 

So--getting back to the violence issue...I do value both your opinion, and April's--so I will take it all into consideration.

[MissGoddess]

A Beautiful Mind is a Crowe film that interests me

 

It is a very thought-provoking and powerful story. And Crowe is very believable. I remember seeing an interview about John Nash and how Crowe tried to be authentic in his portrayal...and little Opie Taylor does a good job directing too....there are some interesting ways he translates what is being seen into how Crowes character is "seeing it" (does that make sense?) Won't go too much further since I don't' want to enter into "spoiler territory" but if you get the chance....this would be a good film to add to your "must see" list

 

I agree that Crowe's performance in this movie is truly remarkable. He is still my favorite

actor working today, and that's because of L.A. Confidential (I _love_ his character!), Gladiator,

The Insider (powerful), A Beautiful Mind and Cinderella Man. I like that he plays, for the most

part, positive characters in all of these films.

[Film_Fatale]

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}

> A Beautiful Mind is a Crowe film that interests me

>

> I agree that Crowe's performance in this movie is truly remarkable. He is still my favorite

> actor working today, and that's because of L.A. Confidential (I _love_ his character!), Gladiator,

> The Insider (powerful), A Beautiful Mind and Cinderella Man. I like that he plays, for the most

> part, positive characters in all of these films.

 

I generally enjoy Crowe in almost everything he does. What did you think of *A Good Year* ? I felt it was an interesting change of pace for him.

[MissGoddess]

*I generally enjoy Crowe in almost everything he does. What did you think of A Good Year ? I felt it was an interesting change of pace for him.*

 

Is that the one that was set in France? I loathed it. EXCEPT, I was delighted to see

him well groomed and well dressed again.

[rohanaka]

Cinderella Man

 

I never got to see this one....I have never been a big boxing fan, so I usually tend to avoid films like that... but even though I am NO fan of boxing, I loved Rocky (and Rocky ll--stopped watching after that) I don't mean to imply that I am thinking Cinderella Man will be like Rocky---but I am just asking if the story is an actual story--and not all about a human punching bag...I don't think I've ever talked to anyone who has seen it, so I might be missing out on this one.

[movieman1957]

Kathy:

 

A very hard thing to do if you enjoy the 1957 "3:10" is to avoid comparisons with the new. I found it difficult to not think about what was different and how they handled the same sections. But try you must.

 

Let us know when you see the new one.

 

This stuff is great.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=rohanaka wrote:}{quote}

> Cinderella Man

>

> I never got to see this one....I have never been a big boxing fan, so I usually tend to avoid films like that... but even though I am NO fan of boxing, I loved Rocky (and Rocky ll--stopped watching after that) I don't mean to imply that I am thinking Cinderella Man will be like Rocky---but I am just asking if the story is an actual story--and not all about a human punching bag...I don't think I've ever talked to anyone who has seen it, so I might be missing out on this one.

 

Hi Kathy,

 

It's very odd that I have this sort of mini-obsession with boxing films when I DESPISE the sport

itself! Yet my favorite (meaning, ONLY) "sports films" are all about boxers:

 

Gentleman Jim

Body and Soul

The Harder They Fall

The Set Up

Cinderella Man and others

 

Cinderella Man is definitely a real STORY and not all blood and socking around. It's very moving

and based on a true account of boxer James Braddock and his family life. You won't be

disappointed.

[rohanaka]

Let us know when you see the new one

 

Will do! I will practice my diagonal eye covering thing so If I ever get to see it I will be at the ready.

[rohanaka]

Cinderella Man is definitely a real STORY

 

Thanks April...it's on my list! :-)

[FrankGrimes]

Howdy, Mrs. Mihzurah -- I haven't seen ANY of the other Christian Bale films you listed

 

Of the ones I listed, I think The Prestige would interest you most. In fact, I think you'd like it.

 

I hope you like Reign of Fire..it's sort of futuristic....but in a medieval way....won't say much more than that Since you are planning on seeing it now...except that Bale's character is interesting to me because of the different ways he has to relate to all the other characters...he's their leader, "savior", a "father figure" and "friend"...and most of all he's their protector....and he takes his job very seriously. Won't say anymore than that...but if you aren't a fan of "monster" movies....you may or may not like this one. (there is however--a lot of action and suspense)

 

Monster movies work for me. What you described sounds quite interesting.

 

love character studies

 

Me too...

 

Don't let anyone see that we agreed on something.

 

knowing I'd have to present my case

 

I think you (and everybody else) did a great job of that on this one.

 

Well, all but...

 

don't think you'd like the remake, Kathy. The ending is pretty tough, believability aside

 

I'm tougher than you may think...( I recall telling someone on here once that I am sometimes referred to in certain circles as "Colt 45..the Peacemaker)

 

I did catch that anecdote, and I know you're a tough gal. When I compared you with Jackie F earlier this year, this is the area where I felt similarity. And you two are on the opposite side of the fence with some things, but the fight in ya is very similar.

 

I can handle a little grit in a movie--if the story is good. But it is when they start blowing off body parts and blood is gushing everywhere....just because they think it will make a story more entertaining...that is when I lose interest.

 

Even though Miss G mentioned the remake of 3:10 to Yuma having lots of blood, I really cannot remember much of it until... The violence in the film is not what would turn you off. I'm pretty sure you can handle most of that.

 

So having read your post now...and also April's....I may wait a while....maybe it will make it to an edited for TV showing someday.

 

 

Ohh, don't listen to her

 

Now is that anyway to talk about our dear friend????

 

Who are we talking about now?

 

She is a very reliable source for me when it comes to stuff on here so I do value her opinion.

 

Big mistake.

 

But I also get a kick out of the two of you fussing and feuding sometimes. (April....you always give as good as you get!)

 

Ohhh, you mean Snippy! Don't listen to a word she says. She's full of it. Can you believe she actually thinks John Ford, Gary Cooper, and John Wayne are talented? She even has the nerve to say Gone with the Wind is her favorite film of all time. Can you believe that? Oh, wait a sec. Never mind.

 

A Beautiful Mind is a Crowe film that interests me

 

It is a very thought-provoking and powerful story. And Crowe is very believable. I remember seeing an interview about John Nash and how Crowe tried to be authentic in his portrayal...and little Opie Taylor does a good job directing too....there are some interesting ways he translates what is being seen into how Crowes character is "seeing it" (does that make sense?) Won't go too much further since I don't' want to enter into "spoiler territory" but if you get the chance....this would be a good film to add to your "must see" list

 

That was a very nice tease.

 

this one and ....of course...THE QUIET MAN--(I had to say it..I am honor bound by my Ford/Coop/Duke code of ethics.)

 

Uh-oh.

 

just don't see you liking it all that much. If anything, you'd like Christian Bale's "Dan" and the evolution of his relationship with his eldest son. I think the rest of the film would be a bit rough for you.

 

Give me a scale to compare....I've seen Fargo...Saving Private Ryan...Unforgiven....Capt Quint get eaten by a killer Shark in Jaws....the "face-melting scene" from Raiders of the Lost Ark... anywhere close to any of that?? I have an eww and goo technique when things get too messy--I cover up my eyes at a diagonal....if you do it that way you can still see the top right corner of the screen and the bottom left corner....since most of the goo happens in the middle--this usually gets me through the worst of it.

 

Now that's cute! It's not the eww and goo that would bother you in 3:10 to Yuma. It's not.

 

But having said all that....I think violence in a movie needs to have a reason....(just like violence in real life) and so if it is there to draw out a certain aspect of the tale being told.....some sort of conflict or an inherent part of a character's make up or dilemma or crisis.....it can sometimes be an effective part of the story as a whole.

 

Well, this is the wild west, so violence is gonna happen if you like it or not. I think you would be okay with this.

 

But I have never been one to think violence should be used as entertainment....much the same way that I tend to draw the line if every other word is F---- etc (Fargo was hard to watch more for that reason than the violence.) Of course, some cussing in a cowboy movie is to be expected and believable because they likely would have talked that way--but when it is gratuitous...over and over again..for no apparent reason--I start getting ticked off and looking for a bar of soap to wash out their filthy little mouths...Oh--- and I also like all the actors to maintain a at least a minimum of their attire throughout the movie...

 

More cuteness! I respect all that you just said, too. Cursing happens to be a character trait for some. You probably know some in your own life. To be honest, I can't remember the vulgarity level of the remake of 3:10 to Yuma being all that high.

 

The reason why I don't think you'll like 3:10 to Yuma all that much is because of how the film ends more so than the violence at the end and throughout. I also do not think you'll like Russell Crowe's character. While he is pretty much visibily "black," he's the coolest cat in the film. He's actually quite likeable. Crowe reminded me a lot of Robert Mitchum, and that's a big compliment from me. I love when Mitchum plays bad. Crowe is exactly like him, to me. He's "Max Cady"-like.

 

Like I said before, I believe you would really like Christian Bale's "Dan" and his want to do good for his family and to be a positive role model for his eldest son. He is successful in many ways.

 

I think there is a lot to be learned from Bale's "Dan" and many questions that can be asked afterwards. Questions like: what really is important in life? How far must we go? How supportive are we of our loved ones? What's the price we are willing to pay? We all answer those questions differently... just as some of the characters in the film did.

 

So--getting back to the violence issue...I do value both your opinion, and April's--so I will take it all into consideration.

 

I don't know any Aprils, but it's a very lovely name, so I say you need to value her opinion more than mine. It's the right one.

[rohanaka]

Now that's cute!

 

Awww--(I don't usually get accused of that) but it is nice of you to say.

 

The Prestige I will look it up.

 

love when Mitchum plays bad.

 

Night of the Hunter is coming on Saturday night...I get the creeps just imagining his voice calling out "children"

 

Cursing happens to be a character trait for some

 

I used to work with both middle school and highschool aged kids...I carried a selection of soap with me at all times...now I get to work more with special needs....no soap needed....just a little more patience.

 

Jackie ...Miss G ...my two long lost sisters...we are going on Larry King to tell all about how we found out we were secretly related by posting here on the TCM website.

 

Questions like: what really is important in life? How far must we go? How supportive are we of our loved ones? What's the price we are willing to pay?

 

Very thoughtful analysis...age old questions to be sure, and interesting concepts to explore in any movie. Sounds like you really delved into this one. After all has been said on this film... I am even more confused than ever as to if or when I will see it...but I will keep this all in mind...and will report back someday...as I never miss a good chance to Ramble.

 

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[Film_Fatale]

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}

> *I generally enjoy Crowe in almost everything he does. What did you think of A Good Year ? I felt it was an interesting change of pace for him.*

>

> Is that the one that was set in France? I loathed it. EXCEPT, I was delighted to see

> him well groomed and well dressed again.

 

I thought it was Italy, actually.

[MissGoddess]

Nope, it was France--Provence, actually, in an area I was to visit not long after they finished

shooting scenes there.