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I am so glad that Ford was able to sit quietly back while the "big stars" battled themselves out of the movie! I wouldn't be surprised if he put a bee in their bonnets, instigating the whole thing in the first place.....

 

> Ha! It's true! It seems like all of a sudden EVERYTHING came together---theme, character,

> pathos, imagery in such a seamless, perfect manner! This movie totally took me by surprise,

> I had not been prepared to love it and admire it so much.

 

I was very surprised by the movie as well. I just love surprises, don't you? I think this is the best way to discover a movie, not by reading some film critic's analysis....

 

> As I read the novel, their faces and aspects were described just as they

> appear in the movie! It was perfect casting.

 

His casting is brillant. He couldn't have found any better trio.... I am always amazed at how he seems to start from the books and find the perfect alter egos on film. It belies the haphazard, "regular guy" personality that he liked to put on, and shows a respect for literature and books. I like this secret "wussy" side of Ford so much. it's very attractive.... if only he had known that, he might have let it out once in a while......outside of film.

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Kathy:

 

A wonderful commentary. It has been so long since I've seen it. I put it on my Netlix list and should be here Saturday. Hopefully early next week won't be too late to join in.

 

I have several double sided DVDs. Some come as a "two-fer." A couple of them are widescreen on one side and full screen on the other. I found that out accidently when the box of one showed in widescreen but I found the full frame side first.

 

April is right unless you have really good eyesight it is hard to tell if you have the right side on.

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> Kathy:

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> A wonderful commentary. It has been so long since I've seen it. I put it on my Netlix list and should be here Saturday. Hopefully early next week won't be too late to join in.

 

Chris,

I may also be one of the "latecomers" to the discussion on *3 Bad Men*, so don't feel bad about it.

 

I am also finally getting ready to watch *The Big Trail*, which I didn't see earlier partly because I wanted to wait until I had my HD system in place. Even conventional DVDs look awesome with upconversion when shown on a good HDTV screen.

 

(Last night we watched the DVD of *Scrooge* (1970) and it looked FABULOUS! B-) )

 

Kathy - your ramble looks very exciting and I'll be saving that for after I've watched the movie. ;)

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MissG,

 

Thanks so much for noticing and for the great screen cap. It's taken four years to post that much but I guess every now and then I do have something to say!

 

Please give my best to Captain Brittles.

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your story had me laughing till .... no I didn't spit water out my nose... but just about.

 

Whew! Close call! I still crack up thinking about our "Chaplin/Goulet and Fat one and Thin one" conversation.

 

Your description of Three Bad Men made me want to cry

 

Jack...glad you caught all my "emotional excitement" about this story. It is really hard to hide...(as if I could) I wasn't joking about needing a fresh Kleenex...yesterday afternoon I was "reliving" a few of the moments and I had a few tears get away from me...the short person caught me and got all concerned because she absolutely hates it when old mom cries. I told her that I was just remembering how special a part of the movie was that I had watched the night before...and she got this look on her face..."Don't cry mom...it's only a movie". (Sometimes she' s so practical) :-)

 

That the heart of a man is more important than where he's been or even what he's done. That friendship can mean something deeper than just "talk". And that love between a man and a woman does not always have to be consummated, and it is borne of respect. Ford explores these subjects

 

Nicely said. I think a lot of present day movies could take a lesson here.

 

but he entertains us "purty well" the whole time

 

Oh...the laughs in this one are priceless. I especially like Mike and Spade who are totally endearing as much for their humor as they are for their actions as heroes. There are some real "sidesplitters" in this one for sure.

 

Where did this movie come from? I want to know!

 

Being the least educated about Ford's films among all the folks who post on here, I can only say that if I had to guess...I think your answer is in your post here... Ford's soul ...

 

He takes the focus off of the young lovers, and places where it belongs - in the most interesting place, looking at the most interesting characters, the Three "Bad" Men.

 

Well said. These "3 characters" are some of the best written roles I have come across since I met Henry Fonda at the Oxbow. I have to say I am having quite the time choosing between my new favorites...but I think this film has edged TOBI over just a nudge as my most fave among all my most recently watched "newbies" ...and then perhaps The Gold Rush in 3rd Place...boy...it is hard to choose among them....but the "3 Guys" pack such a wallop on the old "emotion meter" I just can't help but lean their way.

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Hi April...

 

So you love my 3 Bad Men now I am head over heals...was there ever any doubt??? :-)

 

I had a shirt made up

 

HA! I love it! If you ever decide to market them...I will be your first customer. (we should all have them made and then when we run into each other by chance out there on that "Ford Tour" of the southwest locations you posted a long time ago....we'll all be able to know each other on sight! :-)

 

haven't yet watched this film with a view to picking up details like that

 

I hope I haven't made more of it than it is...but when I first saw it...it really caught my attention because it just was such a great shot...and I wanted to know WHY were they highlighted in a way that was seemed so "symbollic" and so I went back and looked at again after I had finished watching...and the second time it seemed that way to me...as if they were being "sent" ...but then again...I could just be reading more into it than was intended. I think for me it was just so expressive it needed to have a "reason" behind it. Others might not agree.

 

also don't watch it too often because it's just so emotional

and I'm about played out afterward (just like with The Man Who Shot

Liberty Valance).

 

There are certain stories that are like that...and I totally agree that this one could be among them. It has really stayed with me since watching it. I still get a little sting behind my eyes from time to time though I haven't been quite so weepy about it today as I was yesterday. (I am so pathetic sometimes!) :-)

 

Tom Santschi's expression is both funny and heartstopping

 

If he were still around today...wow...what an actor. I have never heard of him before this film...but he (along w/ the other 2 as well) really owned that role. I read what you wrote about others possibly being intended for these parts...I am so glad things ended up as they did because I just could not imagine anyone else now that I have seen it for myself.

 

I'd love to have them for my "guardian angels

 

They would certainly have given my "three mall custodian uncles" a run for their money. I loved those fellas a lot..but these 3 men in hats...( I just can't call them bad anymore) they are awfully hard to beat.

 

I know FrankGrimes has some good screencaps of 3 Bad Men, if

he can be persuaded to share.

 

OH!! Paging Mr Grey...nice friendly kind hearted Man of the Grey hat! (are you persuaded yet???)

 

I haven't taken any as yet, I'm still too "close" to the movie to be able to sit and go through that...I'd short out my keyboard for sure with all my tears

 

HA! Now we are BOTH pathetic. :-)

 

PS...Chis...FF...any one else interested...hope you get to watch it again soon....it's never too late to ramble.

 

"the Three" have a new admirer.

 

I want to be their new PR spokesperson...if you see someone on the street saying..."Hey have you heard of this really great Silent Western by John Ford..." you will know it's me! :-)

 

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> {quote:title=rohanaka wrote:}{quote}

> Hi April...

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Hi Kathy!

 

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> I had a shirt made up

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> HA! I love it! If you ever decide to market them...I will be your first customer. (we should all have them made and then when we run into each other by chance out there on that "Ford Tour" of the southwest locations you posted a long time ago....we'll all be able to know each other on sight! :-)

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It's a deal. Just let me know your size and if you prefer long or short sleeves. :)

 

 

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> I hope I haven't made more of it than it is...but when I first saw it...it really caught my attention because it just was such a great shot...and I wanted to know WHY were they highlighted in a way that was seemed so "symbollic" and so I went back and looked at again after I had finished watching...and the second time it seemed that way to me...as if they were being "sent" ...but then again...I could just be reading more into it than was intended. I think for me it was just so expressive it needed to have a "reason" behind it. Others might not agree.

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Oh, no, I'm sure you are right to notice it because "arrivals" are both significant and interesting

in most Ford films. Also, the appearance of the three in the opening nicely prefigures their

re-appearance at the end of the movie.

 

 

 

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> Tom Santschi's expression is both funny and heartstopping

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> If he were still around today...wow...what an actor. I have never heard of him before this film...but he (along w/ the other 2 as well) really owned that role. I read what you wrote about others possibly being intended for these parts...I am so glad things ended up as they did because I just could not imagine anyone else now that I have seen it for myself.

>

 

From what I've read, Santschi went way back to the 'teens and movies with Thomas Ince and

DW Griffith. For me he has screen immortality with this role. I love his blue eyes, they

photograph so strikingly and he's excellent at projecting tenderness underneath his

obvious bulk and fierceness. Of the three, he most perfectly resembles the character

as it was written in the original novel.

 

 

> I'd love to have them for my "guardian angels

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> They would certainly have given my "three mall custodian uncles" a run for their money. I loved those fellas a lot..but these 3 men in hats...( I just can't call them bad anymore) they are awfully hard to beat.

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You're fortunate to have had any in real life.

 

 

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> I want to be their new PR spokesperson...if you see someone on the street saying..."Hey have you heard of this really great Silent Western by John Ford..." you will know it's me! :-)

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I'm right beside you.

 

I'll go ahead and post some still photos from *3 Bad Men* starting with this

color tinted lobby card:

 

Lou Tellegen, Olive Borden and George O'Brien

3BadMen-lobbycard.jpg

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*PS...Chis...FF...any one else interested...hope you get to watch it again soon....it's never too late to ramble.*

 

Oh, I'll be rambling soon, alright. I went ahead and rented a bunch of Ford pix: *3 Bad Men, The Iron Horse, The Horse Soldiers*. So there'll be plenty of ramblin' to come, just as soon as I've watched them! B-)

 

Thanks to the very fine April for sharing her screencaps/photos with the rest of us. ;)

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FF- I'm so glad you are going to watch these movies. I really enjoyed them so much.

 

Miss G- Thanks for posting those lobby cards and pics.....just beautiful...

 

I'll take one of those T-shirts.... :)

 

I believe Thomas Santschi started acting in movies in 1907. He directed 28 pictures in a two year interval from 1914 -1916. But he gained fame as one of the two main characters in the massively popular 1914 movie, *The Spoilers*. This movie was famous for the giant fight scene at the end, between Santschi and William Farnum. Nothing like this fight had ever been seen in the movies before, and it is reported that the men decided beforehand to make the fight a real one, and that they were carried from the set with cuts and contusions. Santschi went on to star in hundreds of movies until 1931, when he died in his sleep of a heart attack at age fifty.

 

Many of his movies are presumed lost, including Michael Curtiz' debut in America, "The Third Degree" in which Santschi gave an "acclaimed sensitive performance" (according to IMDB). Incredibly, one of his movies recently showed up at a yard sale in Maine, and was shown at a festival in 2002 along with "The Spoilers" The movie has since been donated to the Museum of Modern Art for Preservation. (also according to IMDB)

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Hi fxreyman!

 

The Untouchables 87

When they were filming this movie I was attending The American Academy of Art in downtown Chicago. I remember for weeks on end I would pass the actor?s trailers, and sometimes on my lunch break would go out and watch the filmmakers set up shots. Unfortunately I was never around to see any of the big time actors. But I did see them set up shots involving vintage autos.

That was pretty darn cool.

 

Hey that was WAY cool! :-) and the "down town" Chicago scenes are gorgeous w/ all those cars parked along the street. I bet it really was something.

 

I have always liked this film...though it is a bit hard for me to sit through some of the tough guy spots w/ the language and violence at times....but the characters are great. This movie is one of the few "Kostner" films I have actually liked. (Open Range and Silverado would be the others) and it is my all time favorite role for Connery. I also love Andy Garcia....too cute!! And it has one of my absolute all time favorite movie scenes ever ...where the baby carriage is going bump bump down the stairs in slow motion amid all the gunfire. Ness is trying to save the baby and shoot the bad guy all at the same time....and then all of a sudden Stone "slides into home" as he tosses a fresh pistol over to Ness...and stops that baby carriage with his foot as he is lying on his back.

 

Ness (to Stone--about the bad guy) "You got him?"

Stone" "Yeah, I got him"

Ness: "Take him".

 

And then whammo...lights out for the bad guy...and the little baby in the carriage is all googly and happy, completely safe and blissfully unaware...

 

Oh...now I may have to interupt my "film festival" and watch this one this weekend, just to see that part. (Of course I will have to do my famous slanted hand over my eyes when the actual shot gets fired. Since we have it on tape, I have seen this movie several times and I have yet to watch it w/ out covering my eyes in specific "blechy" parts...it is a bit of a bloody mess....but this particular scene is just so well done... it is a really great "shot" of a really great "shot") . :-)

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I was googling around and came up w/ a few odds and ends on Santshi and also 3 Bad Men....the youtube is about as close as I will ever likely get to seeing this film on the big screen (sigh) you have to fastforward it to about 1 minute 39 seconds...and then fast forward it off and on for a few fun selections from the film (and hold your ears-or just hit mute- if you don't like organ music...it is LOUD) (PS...I haven't mentioned this yet, but I really liked the guitar/piano/violin soundtrack that was on that DVD...wish THAT was playing on this youtube...but the organ music is likely more "authentic) :-)

 

 

 

Also found:

 

http://silentgents.com/BBSantschi.html

 

And here is a pic of our beloved Tom... a little less "scruffy" looking:

 

Santschi.jpg

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Thank you so much, Kathy & Jackie for the info on "Tom"! I would love to see that

spectacular version of *The Spoilers* or any other films by Santschi.

 

And that clip was cute, I wish I could see it on the big screen like that, with the organ

music. Maybe one day it will turn up in a retrospective. That land rush scene alone

would be incredible in a theater.

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That's it! I'm moving to Oregon.....

 

Our Tom was a pretty cool character. I imagine that he and Ford got along quite well.... he seems to have had a bit of a split personality much like Ford's. He got into film by playing the piano, so there is a little sensitivity mixed in with the macho hunting and fishing....

 

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Sounds like he was my kind of guy.

 

I'm just in love with his eyes. And he's the only man I've ever seen that

I actually prefer how he looks unshaven. I usually don't like "scruffy" but

oh, boy, he puts shivers in my spine in that shot as Bull Stanley. Yikes!

Thanks for the pix, J.

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