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Thanks for posting those comments by Huston. That was interesting.

 

*Molo I think you might like her performance in Bus Stop, too.* :)

 

I saw *Bus Stop* way back in college. I don't remember much about it. (I don't remember a lot of things from college. ;) )

 

I do remember liking her performance. I had forgotten Eileen Heckart was in it. She's an interesting actress. Now I'll have to watch again. I have a copy on VHS from the old AMC. I wonder if it will still play.

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G'day, Marilyn's Molo -- FrankGrimes wrote: Unforgivable. You would

never find me doing the same.

 

No you just Don't do that sort of thing. I sometimes Forget to post in a timely

manner The way others do. That can be a Big problem with me. Maybe it's the

summer Heat. I'll try to do better. (no subliminal messages were used in this

post. ;) )

 

I'm feeling the big heat, my friend.

 

FrankGrimes wrote: Isabelle's way of dealing with her own loss

is sage cynicism. But don't let that fool you into believing she doesn't hurt. She's

using that as her shield. Just look at how she lights up when she sees her

x-husband, even with his current wife. They are to stay with Izzy for a week.

 

I also like when Isabelle speaks of "Andy Gump." Her wishes and desires come

to the surface, but her cynicism prevents her from acting. Not to mention, she's

still carrying a torch for her ex-husband.

 

Frank that is a wonderful take on Isabelle. I noticed her face lighting up in that

scene too and I was thinking she was so happy to spend time with him even

though he's with someone else. I think that must have been a hard trade off

for her. It might have been interesting to go along with Isabelle for the week. That

would have been an interesting film in itself. Great observations on Isabelle!

 

Thanks. "Isabelle" is so very cynical with others when it comes to love but all

of her cynicism falls by the wayside the moment she sees her ex-husband. She

may talk tough and act hard, but she's just as big a softy as "Roslyn." Maybe

even more so. She even blames herself for her husband leaving her saying,

"Charles never would've stayed married to me. I even lost the vacuum cleaner

once. They still haven't found it." Izzy lacks self-esteem.

 

FrankGrimes:wrote Roslyn changes Gay. Gay wrangles the mustang to

the ground, but he then frees him. The mustang is he. When he cuts the

mustang free, he's cutting himself free. Gay not only fought society all his

life, he fought himself. He's now an older man, a tired man. He needs

something else to live for than a credo. He needs a woman. I believe Gay

is finally ready to live for others than just self.

 

Gido (to Gay): We don't need anybody in the world. You know that now, don't you?

 

FrankGrimes wrote: What Gay knows now is that he NEEDS somebody in the world.

 

Gay: It's... it's like roping a dream now. Yeah, I just got to find another way

to be alive, that's all. If there is one... anymore.

 

FrankGrimes wrote: I think Gay's final sentence is his not knowing if Roslyn will

wish to be with him after what he did with the mustangs.

 

Frank this is where you always impress me. Your comments on Gay are very

insightful. I knew the mustang stood for something but I thought it might have

been a broader metaphor. Your comparison of Gay and the mustang make

perfect sense. I watched that scene again and it was even more powerful. Your

right about Gay's not knowing if Roslyn would still want to be with him. I wasn't

sure if she would either.

 

Thanks again, Molo. I believe the broader metaphor is what Miss G mentions, the

mustang represents an old way of life, a way of life that is dying off. But the

struggle between the mustang and "Gay" felt as if it were a man fighting both

himself and civilization. I believe Gay was a wild mustang all his life, but

he's ready to be "tamed" now. There comes a day...

 

FrankGrimes wrote: I haven't seen much Gable, but I'm guessing his final

performance has to be one of his most emotional. I thought he was sensational.

 

Yes I think this is one of his most emotional if not the most. I really like Gable in

his later films. He mellowed somewhat. He was a little sadder and more

thoughtful, such things come with age I suppose, but the added complexity

to his characters in some of his later films is a real highlight for me. You see

this too a much smaller degree in films like Any Number Can Play.

 

I'll have to check out Any Number Can Play. The write-up I just read

interested me.

 

I have only seen Gable in The Misfits, Mogambo, and Gone with the Wind.

All I know is that Miss G likes him and that's never a good sign. Her tastes are

the worst on the board.

 

FrankGrimes wrote: Of all the actors in the film, I feel the most sad with

Monty. His fall was so drastic and it just pains me to see him as weak as he

was. I do love his performance. I thought it was very touching, very real.

 

I agree. His performance hit a lot of emotional bells with me.

 

What I find interesting about "Perce" is that his need and want of "Roslyn" is

different than that of "Gay" and "Gido." He really is seeking more of a motherly

love from her.

 

FrankGrimes wrote: Again, without knowing much about Marilyn, I felt as

if "Roslyn" was a mirror image of Marilyn.

 

FrankGrimes wrote: I like that she was carrying some extra weight and she seemed

very comfortable with it.

 

FrankGrimes wrote: Marilyn's facial reactions to Perce say so much yet she

doesn't speak. She took great interest in everybody and everything. That speaks

to her emotional honesty. She was not judgmental. All things new were exciting

to her. She really did just want to "live."

 

Interesting. I don't know much about her as a person either but this performance

really seems to bring out such honest feelings in her. The idea of Roslyn being

a "mirror image" of Marilyn seems to me, a very astute observation. I thought she

really put a lot of herself on the line here.

 

After reading the words of John Huston (that Miss G recently posted), I come

away believing "Roslyn" and Marilyn are almost one in the same. Marilyn seems

very childlike. Even her sexuality has an innocence to it.

 

I aways look forward to your comments and analysis of films I've watched. You

have a gift for this sort of thing you know.

 

It's a cheap gift, I assure you. Thanks, as always, for the kind words. The truth

is, I'm merely riding the waves of the brilliant observations, comments, and writings

made by you and others on this board. It takes talent to spark others in an

intellectual and, more importantly, emotional sense. And your intellectual and

emotional take on film always sparks me. If only Miss G could do the same. C'est la vie. :P

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> {quote:title=molo14 wrote:}{quote}

> I do remember liking her performance. I had forgotten Eileen Heckart was in it. She's an interesting actress. Now I'll have to watch again. I have a copy on VHS from the old AMC. I wonder if it will still play.

 

Most VHS recordings should play fine, unless left out in the sun for too long! ;)

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Thanks again, Molo. I believe the broader metaphor is what Miss G mentions, the

mustang represents an old way of life, a way of life that is dying off. But the

struggle between the mustang and "Gay" felt as if it were a man fighting both

himself and civilization. I believe Gay was a wild mustang all his life, but

he's ready to be "tamed" now. There comes a day...

 

I hate I mean I really DISLIKE thinking that you may be RIGHT about that second

interpretation of the mustang scene. The only thing I question about it is that the

ending is relatively happy---and how can anyone think a man getting tamed or

"domesticated" is a good thing when it's so awful for the mustang?

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Hi, Blondle! -- I hate I mean I really DISLIKE thinking that you may be RIGHT about that second interpretation of the mustang scene. The only thing I question about it is that the

ending is relatively happy---and how can anyone think a man getting tamed or "domesticated" is a good thing when it's so awful for the mustang?

 

There is a fine line between pride and stubbornness. I believe Gay realized that he could no longer be what he's always been, and to think he could would now be more stubborn than prideful. I believe Roslyn forces Gay to see the future. The thing is, the future scares him in many ways. He is worried and frightened. But Roslyn brings him comfort. He is less worried and frightened with her by his side.

 

Roslyn: I was scared to when you asked me. But I'm not so much now. Are you?

 

 

Gay: No.

 

Both of their fears lessen because they have each other.

 

I believe when Gay cuts the mustang loose, he is cutting himself loose from all that had binded him. Even though he really was a wild mustang himself, he was not free. He was stubbornly tied to his ways. Roslyn helps set him free.

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Hi, Bad Taste Butterscotch -- no, marilyn is on my side! not your side! she listens to me, b/c she knows what im going through with you.

 

Ohh, so Marilyn knows what loving kindness is all about then.

 

Girls from Texas are black cats to guys.

 

oh that was harsh.

 

It's even harsher from the guy's point of view.

 

at first i was confused about that with joe and peggy, but after a few times of watching it, i got it. i had gotten the impression that peggy couldnt make up her mind and kept stauling for some reason.

 

Marital commitment should be taken serious. Sadly, it rarely is anymore. Peggy decides that Joe's love is more important to her than anything else. I don't know how many people today would choose love above all else.

 

Your grandmama needs a good talking to for ruining you.

 

i think youre the one who needs a talkin' to for not liking greer and gary.

 

I can't help it if I got high standards. Trashy films just aren't my speed.

 

I was saying that of Marilyn's starring roles, Niagara and Bus Stop are two that I really wish to see, along with Don't Bother to Knock.

 

yeah, but i almost guarrantee that you will fast-forward through parts of Niagara.

 

I never fast-forward through a movie. Okay, I fast-forward Coop and Greer flicks. :P

 

whoever said anything about me and april fast-forward through anything?

 

You both have stated this. I know Miss Fast-Forward will not deny it.

 

Because you are too naughty.

 

im not getting mad at you, im not getting mad at you. heehee!

 

That made me laugh!

 

Miss G... brilliant? Hey, that is funny!

 

you have your own opinions obviously frankie. she is more brilliant than i could ever be.

 

That's not saying much at all. :P:P:P

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As I was about to go out last night I caught part of a little whatsit on TCM about Some Like it Hot and Marilyn Monroe, with Lee Grant and Molly Haskell and some guy whose name I didn't catch. I was really bothered by how the "ladies" kept going on and on about MM and basically running her down as an embarrassment to women. It made me mad because there wasn't any opposing opinion presented to balance out their unbalanced and illdisguised malice. Haskell even said she found Marilyn "unlikable" as an actress which I thought could hardly be the consensus, else why would she still be so popular? Good grief. Some Like it Hot isn't my favorite movie by a

long shot but in my opinion Marilyn is the only thing that makes it watchable for me. Wish

someone had said that on the air.

 

You don't believe Marilyn was a transvestite in Some Like it Hot? :D

 

Marilyn will always draw the ire of many women. You know that. I always smile when I hear such predictable words. I believe it tells you a lot about those who voice those words.

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You don't believe Marilyn was a transvestite in Some Like it Hot?

 

I almost threw my lipstick at the TV when she said that!! So incredibly dumb, but I've

never, ever liked anything Molly Haskell ever said.

 

 

Marilyn will always draw the ire of many women. You know that. I always smile when I hear such predictable words. I believe it tells you a lot about those who voice those words.

 

It's just a shame that the same, tired old things keep getting said about her by these women.

 

Anyway, for my revenge I'll post a bunch more pictures later of the "transvestite". :P:P:P

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> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote}

> He could have been her greatest love interest.

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> 689_1270.jpg

 

Chris I'm not seeing the picture but it says it's from a Marx Bros site, is it Groucho?? I'd

love to see the picture!! She was so cute with him in Love Happy. Here's a publicity photo

from it:

 

LoveHappy.jpg

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I almost threw my lipstick at the TV when she said that!! So incredibly dumb, but I've

never, ever liked anything Molly Haskell ever said.

 

You wear lipstick? Marilyn's influence on you is awful!

 

And I believe Lee Grant mentioned the transvestite dealy. I'm not positive about that, though.

 

Marilyn will always draw the ire of many women. You know that. I always smile when I hear such predictable words. I believe it tells you a lot about those who voice those words.

 

It's just a shame that the same, tired old things keep getting said about her by these women.

 

Do you actually expect them to get smarter?

 

Anyway, for my revenge I'll post a bunch more pictures later of the "transvestite".

 

That'll learn 'em! But, please, only post the ones where she doesn't look sexy. Women are not allowed to look sexy. We can have none of that.

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Hi everyone,

 

How are things going here at Blondies? I just wanted to check in.

 

*MissGoddess wrote:* You may now be one Marilyn movie up on me! I don't even have Monkey Business recorded!

 

I've been looking for my tape of this for ages. I keep finding another copy of The Marx Bros film. Apparently I recorded that film three times! I need to get better organized! Marilyn's *Monkey Business* is pretty funny from what I remember. I love Marilyn and Charles Coburn together.

 

*Oliver Oxley:* I want you to go into town and I want you to find Dr. Fulton.

*Lois Laurel:* But Mr. Oxley, which one do you want me to do first? :D

 

Anyway I just wanted to stop by. I'll report back later.

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Marvelous screencaps, Sarah!! I love that scene, too, and can relate to it VERY much. My

first summers in NYC were A/C-LESS and it was a horror. I tried all the tricks MM did in

7 Year Itch, none of them worked (except going to an air-conditioned movie).

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Oh my goodness!!! :):):) Now stop pretending you don't know what "box set" to which I have been

referring! You DID buy it! Or did you buy all those movies separately??

 

When I first saw this movie as a kid I didn't like it at all. Now it's one of my favorites. It's

very silly but I like "Amanda" and the Tony Randall character a lot.

 

I love the songs in Let's Make Love, but especially "My Heart Belongs to Daddy", which is

by Cole Porter. I dont' think anyone (including Mary Martin) could have sung this song better

than Marilyn. It seems made for her. I also used to sing it when I was studying voice. :) I

think the lyrics are very "saucy":

 

While tearing off a game of golf

I may make a play for the caddy

But when I do, I don't follow through

Cause my heart belongs to Daddy

 

If I invite a boy some night

To dine on my fine food and haddie

I just adore, his asking for more

But my heart belongs to Daddy

 

Yes, my heart belongs to Daddy

So I simply couldn't be bad

Yes, my heart belongs to Daddy

Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, DAAAAD

 

So I want to warn you laddie

Though I know that you're perfectly swell

That my heart belongs to Daddy

Cause my Daddy, he treats it so well

 

While tearing off a game of golf

I may make a play for the caddy

But when I do, I don't follow through

Cause my heart belongs to Daddy

 

If I invite a boy some night

To cook up some hot enchilada

Though Spanish rice is all very nice

My heart belongs to Daddy

 

Yes, my heart belongs to Daddy

So I simply couldn't be bad

Yes, my heart belongs to Daddy

Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, Da, DAAAAD

 

So I want to warn you laddie

Though I know that you're perfectly swell

That my heart belongs to Daddy

Cause my Daddy, he treats it so well

 

LetsMakeLove-MyHeartBelongstoDaddy.jpg

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