JackFavell Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (sound of fingers drumming on a table......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Preview of coming "Ramble"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I've seen it. It is in my Netflix queue. I guess I should movie it up. What time frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I better go watch it.... dang! I need to get two television sets to watch all these movies...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 What time frame? Oh.... no "schedule" kind sir.... I was just a thinkin' we needed to continue on w/ another Mann film as we had not yet begun to plumb the depths... ha. HERE is a little taste of what is on my mind.... "MESSED UP Family"... thy name is Jeffords... Message was edited by: rohanaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Have you seen "The Violent Men"? It appears on the Westerns channel now and then. I think later this week in fact. I bring it up because Stanwyck is a not-so-nice wife to Edward G. Robinson who has other things on her mind. Glenn Ford plays neighboring rancher who is not exactly welcome in the area. Glenn is tough here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Have you seen "The Violent Men"? No... I haven't seen that one... but I bet with a cast like that, it is a good "gritty" tale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Ha!!! _Excellent_ "preview of coming attractions". That scene about says it all. The son just sort of evaporates after that scene...and with that "Elvis" hairdo I always kind of felt sympathetic toward TC's point of view about him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Thanks little lady! And RE: the Elvis" hairdo It did not work so well for him as it must have worked for Elvis, poor guy...ha. And he DOES take a decidedly "less than front row" place in the rest of the story... Though I imagine his whole growing up years with TC were decidedly less than front row... ha. Message was edited by: rohanaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 The Furies is a great Western, can't wait till everyone starts ramblin' away! As for The Violent Man, are you sure it hasn't played on TCM as well, Chris? I could have sworn I watched it on TCM, but maybe that was just a DVD I rented. In either case, I love Stanwyck westerns. :x Oh and I guess nobody else is going to have anything more to say about The Man From Laramie ? I did have a few things I wanted to say, in closing. Hope that's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 > {quote:title=rohanaka wrote:}{quote} > Thanks little lady! > > And RE: the Elvis" hairdo > > It did not work so well for him as it must have worked for Elvis, poor guy...ha. And he DOES take a decidedly "less than front row" place in the rest of the story... Though I imagine his whole growing up years with TC were decidedly less than front row... ha. > > Message was edited by: rohanaka I wonder if the son (I can't even remember his name) was more of a "Mama's boy"? Maybe he was the sensitive one and so of course, TC gravitated toward the daughter who was more "in his image"....what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 TC gravitated toward the daughter who was more "in his image"....what do you think? I think you have it right.... and even more... I think he "created" her in his image, so to speak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 > {quote:title=rohanaka wrote:}{quote} > TC gravitated toward the daughter who was more > "in his image"....what do you think? > > I think you have it right.... and even more... I think he "created" her in his image, so to speak... He definitely was all about his ego and his preconcieved idea of what his "progeny" should be like---like HIM. A real "emporer" type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think T.C.'s son really was a bit of a "Mama's boy". And I believe he was played by John Bromfield, but I could be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 He definitely was all about his ego and his preconcieved idea of what his "progeny" should be like---like HIM. A real "emporer" type. Boy oh boy... April.. I gotta say... I LOVED (to hate) Walter Huston in this film. Oh my golly... he was the MOST egocentric guy I have seen in a long while. Imagine the arrogance of printing up your own currency... and actually LIVING off of it in a GREAT big rich house with servants... meanwhile... MOST of the people you are giving it out to are all just regular working folks or honest businessmen trying to get by... Now I have to confess.. as much as I liked him in The Furies... I still have a soft spot for Huston in The Devil and Daniel Webster too. (hah... imagine me... having "Sympathy" for the "Devil"... ha.) He REALLY did make that movie great... But I have to say the same about him in this film too. And well... he must have just about been BORN to play the Devil... because that TC Jeffords was about as close to the devil on earth as I have seen in any film lately to be sure... WHAT a piece of work... If TDADW is my FAVE role for Huston... I think THIS one would have to be a VERY close second... And the way he more or less CREATED Vance to be so much LIKE him... and yet NOTHING like him too (because he made her TOO strong and independent) . And for all his "creating".... he also had a hand in RE-Creating her... I am probably not explaining it right... but I just saw her more or less TRANSFORM at a certain point in the story (more on that in a moment) and it was more or less as a result of HIS actions... I have to say... when I first started watching this film... I was NOT too impressed (ESPECIALLY with Stanwyck's character) I really had a sense that this was just going to be one of those awful stories about an awful father and his awful kids.... hating and picking each other apart and tearing each other to pieces... and I sort of almost "rolled my eyes" at it... Because keeping it on THAT level... it was almost campy and overdone... But then... (HUGE spoiler alert)... the "ALMOST" stepmother arrived... and the entire story took a turn... in a REALLY huge way... (did you notice her "toying" with those scissors in the earlier screencaps I posted.... It was almost as if her mother left them there for her... but she never knew what to do with them... until... OH MY... THIS is when things REALLY started to "pick up" for me... and the story just went to a WHOLE other level after this... I liked how she ended up being MORE Like her father... or at least HER image of her father.... than even HE was in the end... And ultimately... she had to reach a point where she realized he WAS just that... an image she had created in her mind to love and worship... And when she met the REAL man... she HATED him. It took a LOT for her to FINALLY see him for who he REALLY was... and even more to realize SHE was really stronger... and better than she always thought HIM to be... So as all this played out... I went from being "bored" and sort of "annoyed" by her at the beginning of the film... to REALLY liking her a LOT by the end of the film... but it took a WHILE... And WHAT about that Wendell Corey?? This REALLY was a story that was about SO much more than first impressions.... I THOUGHT he was a TOTAL jerk... and well... my opinion of him changed a LOT by the end of things... This film was really a surprise for me... It is NOT so much a western as some of the other Mann "westerns" might be... Pretty much the only thing "westerny" about it are the horses, the cattle, and location. The story is VERY universal.... it could easily be "redone" and placed in a multitude of different settings.... I even think I recall you mentioning that it might be a Western "noir"... I think that CERTAINLY would fit... Spoiler Alert... But I dont' think I can get past this ramble without mentioning what happened to your poor sweet Gilberto... ha. Honestly... I have to say... THAT was a VERY dramatic moment (at the end for him) but I just did not "buy" into what happened to him as much as I wanted to... He more or less just DECIDED to die.I thought that whole thing played out a little too "politely". But it WAS a turning point for her character to be sure... so I guess they had to get rid of him somehow.... :-) And yes... It DID affect the way the movie ENDED as well.... but you KNEW something like that was going to happen SOONER or later... Poor Walter Huston was just TOO irritating to live... ha. Message was edited by: rohanaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 What a smashing write-up of The Furies, Miss Ro! You have given me an awful lot to chew on there---I'm fascinated by your take on things and all the stuff you saw that frankly sailed past me. I'm still making my mind up about "T.C." I really love the way Huston played him and my favorite scenes, aside from those with Gilbertito ("Juan"), were those in which he sailed forth. I thought the one scene between him and his wife, after the "accident", was really extraordinary and honest. I look forward to getting back to you in depth later, and hopefully others will have had a chance to watch it and weigh in, too. Lesson #1 of The Furies: Hide the scissors, ladies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 I'm still making my mind up about "T.C." I really love the way Huston played him and my favorite scenes, aside from those with Gilbertito ("Juan"), were those in which he sailed forth. I thought the one scene between him and his wife, after the "accident", was really extraordinary and honest. Thanks for the feedback little lady..... I am very interested in your thoughts on TC.... I think he was...(hmmm... how to say it...) the most "unusual" of all the several "cattle baron monster dads" we have discussed on here... ha. And now I have a question... DID he end up marrying her??I need to go back and rewatch THAT part again.... its been several weeks now since I watched this all the way through (and I had not gotten that far in my screencaps yet either) I don't remember them "following through" with the wedding plans... I need to jog my memory a bit, I guess... But I do agree w/ you... it was one of the most "REAL" and honest moments for BOTH of their characters.... the "facade" was gone for both of them so to speak.... It was another (among the many) of the unexpected tidbits here and there within this story that just made it all so intriguing... It is like I mentioned... it took me a WHILE to really get into this story... because I was so "fixed" on what I THOUGHT it was going to be all about... but my PREconceived notions sort of flew out the window about the time "Flo" flew in from San Francisco.... ha. I look forward to getting back to you in depth later, and hopefully others will have had a chance to watch it and weigh in, too. I am really looking forward to hearing more frome you... and I hope everyone else gets a chance to watch and chime in as well.... I am going to be pretty busy the next couple of days... but will check in from time to time... because... well... ha... Now I am on the edge of my seat... ha. :-) Lesson #1 of The Furies: Hide the scissors, ladies! HA!!!!!! Either that.. OR... learn to DODGE... ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 FURIOUS SPOILERS AHEAD! > > Thanks for the feedback little lady..... I am very interested in your thoughts on TC.... I think he was...(hmmm... how to say it...) the most "unusual" of all the several "cattle baron monster dads" we have discussed on here... ha. > I like TC's spirit and individualism, but he's clearly not the sort who ever should have married or had kids. That household reminds me a little of the family in Duel in the Sun, where Lionel Barrymore played the (burnt out) patriarch who had a "quiet" child and a "rowdy" child in his image. The mother, played by Lillian Gish, is of course his polar opposite--a refined, quiet and dignified lady. So of course her wants and ways are largely ignored. I can't help but wonder what kind of woman Mrs. Jeffords was, if she was a "lady" like Lillian or was she more like Judith Anderson? The "TC" type generally go for the ladies, the quiet ones they can count on not to steal their thunder. That's why Judith's character is rather interesting, because she is wise enough to pretend to be more accommodating than she really is. > And now I have a question... DID he end up marrying her??I need to go back and rewatch THAT part again.... its been several weeks now since I watched this all the way through (and I had not gotten that far in my screencaps yet either) I don't remember them "following through" with the wedding plans... I need to jog my memory a bit, I guess... Well, they were together in a hotel later, right? I assumed that meant he honored his commitment (however grudgingly) but maybe I misread the situation. > > It is like I mentioned... it took me a WHILE to really get into this story... because I was so "fixed" on what I THOUGHT it was going to be all about... but my PREconceived notions sort of flew out the window about the time "Flo" flew in from San Francisco.... ha. > So many movies about crazy cattle barons and their households have been made, I don't blame you. I keep thinking of Duel in the Sun myself. I do agree as well that the movie doesn't feel like an "authentic western". I read that Mann was raised on Greek and Shakespearean drama and apparently liked to sneak a lot of that into his films when he could. The Furies is definitely my idea of his most obvious attempt to do this (and too a lesser extent, Man of the West). The "pitch" is in a highly dramatic key, the characters sharply defined and the themes and stakes very much the terrain of classical tragedy. Regarding "Juan" and his fate, I wonder if his character was originally somewhat more important before and cut back. Things do seem to happen rather abruptly, but they certainly drive a major wedge between father and daughter. I just wish Barbara's character had chosen Juan to love rather than Wendell. Because though I appreciate his character, I'm still not completely won over by Corey's dispatch of it. I would have preferred someone else in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 MORE "Furious" Spoilage... I like TC's spirit and individualism, but he's clearly not the sort who ever should have married or had kids. HA!! That is the understatement of the century. :-) I saw him as a self loving, loud, overbearing, "self-governing" (as in ... he only lived by his OWN rules and was NOT bound by any others) kinda guy. He was the sort of person who... when he walked into a room... expected ALL conversation to cease (and it pretty much did) and ALL eyes to fall on HIM... just in case HE might have something to say. He "made an entrance" just about every time he entered a room. He was a LOT of flash and homemade cash... ha. I saw him as more or less a SHOWMAN... he knew everyone EXPECTED him to be bigger than life... because he'd spent his whole life SHOWING them he was... so in turn... he had to ACT bigger than life to keep up the image he'd made for himself. He felt NO guilt or remorse at saying something rude or outlandish about ANYONE if it drew attention to HIM while he was doing it. And he expected all the WOMEN to fall at his feet and the men to admire him wherever he went. (and they...more or less did... or at least they PRETENDED they did.) I imagine he only had just a FEW real friends... Scotty (loved that Wallace Ford again... ha) and Vance... and he drove HER completely away by pushing her more than a COUPLE of steps too far... RE: the mother... I think she was like Vance described her... a LADY... but not "woman" enough to make him happy. I think he must have loved her.. but maybe like you love a fine painting... not like you love a person... he certainly REVERED her... he may have even "idealized" her a bit. I think she was one of those "on a pedastal" kinda wives... but not so everyone could admire HER... more so they could admire HIM for having her as his wife. And I doubt she was anything like Flo... And as far as Flo is concerned... I think he DID care for her... and even possibly "love" her... but not in the same way he did (reverently) the first wife.. I think he liked her "guts"... and the way she looked on his arm... and her circle of friends. (She knew the PRESIDENT... etc) And she was a strong woman in her own right... so I believe he liked that about her as well. I think he was getting "weak" and he knew it... He had TOTALLY mismanaged his money and it was beginning to catch up with him... and I think it made him feel "vulnerable" in a way that made it easier for him to allow her to start "directing" his affairs. But did he end up marrying her????? Hmmmm..... I went back and looked at it all again... I still don't know. At one point.. the dialogue DOES seem to imply that he might have. After he asks her for money and she tells him no... he tells her if he gets any real money again... he'd bring her "back" to The Furies.. so that sort of implies that he saw it as her home now. But the other parts of the dialogue.... well... I just think it could go EITHER way..I think in the end... he WOULD have married her... but maybe she was glad when he brought up the money because it was a way for her to let them BOTH "off the hook". I don't know.... And PS... LOOK at what he says here.. . Ha... you and I both commented on how this was one of the rare moments when they were both just totally "HONEST". I guess he agress with us... ha. It really was a VERY sympathetic moment for BOTH of them... and that is saying a LOT because it was hard for me to find a lot of sympathy for EITHER of them overall... And then THIS part says SO much about how they felt about one another as well... I still can't say w/ any certainty if they married or not... I guess it will be one of life's little mysteries for me... ha. I think it could go either way... I keep thinking of Duel in the Sun myself That is one I have not seen... I keep "missing" it... ha....(OH Secretaries.... HA!) I read that Mann was raised on Greek and Shakespearean drama and apparently liked to sneak a lot of that into his films when he could. The Furies is definitely my idea of his most obvious attempt to do this (and too a lesser extent, Man of the West). The "pitch" is in a highly dramatic key, the characters sharply defined and the themes and stakes very much the terrain of classical tragedy. Now that explains a LOT... I am looking foward to catching Man of the West when it comes on at the end of the month... (did I mention OH SECRETARIES???? ha) I will watch for the similarities... Regarding "Juan" and his fate, I wonder if his character was originally somewhat more important before and cut back. And THAT would explain a lot too if it is true... I just felt he was one of those "underdevelopled" characters (like we had going on in TMFL) I would have liked seeing more of his story... but I have to confess... I liked the angle this took w/ Corey... so I guess the way he ended up was "necessary" to the plot... BUT... it COULD have gone a WHOLE other way... :-) After she threw the scissors, she goes and gets Juan, they ride off into the sunset... and live happily ever after. HA! (but then it would have been a MUCH shorter movie for sure... ha) Message was edited by: rohanaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 SPOILERS AT THE DARROW STRIP Howdy, Piecemaker -- The Furies, eh? What's next, Forty Guns? I gotta say... I LOVED (to hate) Walter Huston in this film. Oh my golly... he was the MOST egocentric guy I have seen in a long while. Imagine the arrogance of printing up your own currency... and actually LIVING off of it in a GREAT big rich house with servants... meanwhile... MOST of the people you are giving it out to are all just regular working folks or honest businessmen trying to get by. I just recently watched The Furies and it immediately reminded me of There Will Be Blood. It almost felt like Anthony Mann's Citizen Kane. I was expecting the film to be more of a Stanwyck flick, so I was surprised, pleasantly so, to find out it was a Walter Huston film, and a good one. Interestingly, I find T.C. (Walter Huston) to more likeable than Charles Foster Kane (Orson Welles) and far more so than Daniel Plainview (Daniel Day-Lewis). Now I have to confess.. as much as I liked him in The Furies... I still have a soft spot for Huston in The Devil and Daniel Webster too. (hah... imagine me... having "Sympathy" for the "Devil"... ha.) He REALLY did make that movie great. I was completely taken by Huston's ability to carry a film like The Furies and he did so with such verve. I cannot believe this was his final performance. He went out on a very high note. Having said that, I also prefer his "Mr. Scratch." Maybe because it hits so close to home. But I have to say the same about him in this film too. And well... he must have just about been BORN to play the Devil... because that TC Jeffords was about as close to the devil on earth as I have seen in any film lately to be sure... WHAT a piece of work... If TDADW is my FAVE role for Huston... I think THIS one would have to be a VERY close second. I also love Huston in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. I'm most curious to see him in Dodsworth and The Shanghai Gesture. And the way he more or less CREATED Vance to be so much LIKE him... and yet NOTHING like him too (because he made her TOO strong and independent) . And for all his "creating".... he also had a hand in RE-Creating her... I am probably not explaining it right... but I just saw her more or less TRANSFORM at a certain point in the story (more on that in a moment) and it was more or less as a result of HIS actions. Vance (Barbara Stanwyck) was definitely "Daddy's Little Girl." Although, her name lets you know she was more like a son to T.C. than a daughter. He didn't give a darn about Clay (John Bromfield). I have to say... when I first started watching this film... I was NOT too impressed (ESPECIALLY with Stanwyck's character) I really had a sense that this was just going to be one of those awful stories about an awful father and his awful kids.... hating and picking each other apart and tearing each other to pieces... and I sort of almost "rolled my eyes" at it... Because keeping it on THAT level... it was almost campy and overdone. I had a similar feeling because of Stanwyck's "Vance." I wasn't used to seeing Missy in such a role. It was a little jarring. But then... (HUGE spoiler alert)... the "ALMOST" stepmother arrived... and the entire story took a turn... in a REALLY huge way. I had warmed up to Vance and the story before Flo (Judith Anderson) had entered the scene. It was Juan (Gilbert Roland) and Rip (Wendell Corey) who had helped me to enjoy Vance more. (did you notice her "toying" with those scissors in the earlier screencaps I posted.... It was almost as if her mother left them there for her... but she never knew what to do with them... until. I did notice the foreshadowing but I did not think of it as Vance's mother having something to do with it. I like that a lot! Very nice. I liked how she ended up being MORE Like her father... or at least HER image of her father.... than even HE was in the end... And ultimately... she had to reach a point where she realized he WAS just that... an image she had created in her mind to love and worship... And when she met the REAL man... she HATED him. It took a LOT for her to FINALLY see him for who he REALLY was... and even more to realize SHE was really stronger... and better than she always thought HIM to be. My impression is that Vance was always attempting to win her father's love. She was always seeking his approval. And when he didn't give her this, she became angry. She is very much her father's daughter and I fully believe she would look to run the Furies just as her father did. So as all this played out... I went from being "bored" and sort of "annoyed" by her at the beginning of the film... to REALLY liking her a LOT by the end of the film... but it took a WHILE. You liked her? Wow! I'm impressed by that. I don't like Vance one bit. And WHAT about that Wendell Corey?? This REALLY was a story that was about SO much more than first impressions.... I THOUGHT he was a TOTAL jerk... and well... my opinion of him changed a LOT by the end of things. And this surprised me, too! I still think he's a total jerk. You like your guys tough! Here's your man: I think Vance sees her father in Rip. That's trouble. Serious, serious trouble. There's no way any man could match T.C. with Vance. Rip has no chance. But I dont' think I can get past this ramble without mentioning what happened to your poor sweet Gilberto... ha. Honestly... I have to say... THAT was a VERY dramatic moment (at the end for him) but I just did not "buy" into what happened to him as much as I wanted to... He more or less just DECIDED to die.I thought that whole thing played out a little too "politely". But it WAS a turning point for her character to be sure... so I guess they had to get rid of him somehow.... And yes... It DID affect the way the movie ENDED as well.... but you KNEW something like that was going to happen SOONER or later. I thought Juan's ending to be perfect. He was nothing but sacrificial with Vance and his end was the ultimate sacrifice for her. He committed suicide for her, ala Doniphon in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Juan always placed Vance before all else, knowing his love for her would never be fully realized. Ahhhh, tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 Wow look at YOU Mr. Grey... WOO HOO... nice to see your rope-free rambling... ha. We must have been typing our little hearts out at the very same time. You have brought up some INTERESTING points here that I want to reply to... (one being the foreshadowing... I was actually JOKING about the mom leaving the scissors there for her... ha) Anyway... it's getting late... I think I am going to turn into a pumpkin... ha. So I will be getting back to you on all this... (maybe others will have had a chance to watch by now and will weigh in too) But before I call it a night.. I just HAVE to comment on THIS one thing, though... ha... He committed suicide for her, ala Doniphon in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. HA.... JACKIE... where are you???? It really DOES somehow always come back to LIBERTY VALANCE... ha. Nice ramblin' sir... chat w/ you later!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 How do, Quiet Gal -- You've been stirrin' that pot pretty darn well, ma'am. Way to go. You have brought up some INTERESTING points here that I want to reply to... (one being the foreshadowing... I was actually JOKING about the mom leaving the scissors there for her... ha) I loved your scissors comment. I thought that was very, um, sharp. Anyway... it's getting late... I think I am going to turn into a pumpkin... ha. So I will be getting back to you on all this... (maybe others will have had a chance to watch by now and will weigh in too) I look forward to your reply and everyone else's comments on The Furies. HA.... JACKIE... where are you???? It really DOES somehow always come back to LIBERTY VALANCE... ha. That's because Ford STOLE from other directors, like Mann! By the way, I think you'll really like Man of the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 There have been some really awesome comments written here about The Furies and I have enjoyed reading them - I'll probably take a closer look later on, but I think somebody had said that this was more of a Walter Huston movie than a Barbara Stanwyck movie. I don't know, it's possible he has a more important part and perhaps even more screen time, however for me it was really Barbara who made the biggest impression here. And, yes, you do have to be careful with those scissors, heh Looking at it in the context of Anthony Mann's filmography, it is interesting to note that he had 3 westerns released that year - The Furies, Winchester '73 and Devil's Doorway. All 3 movies have their merits, of course, but to me The Furies has always been the most memorable. The trio were also noteworthy in that they marked the shift in Mann's movies from crime & noir to the western genre, which is the one that ultimately helped him gain wider acclaim as a director. The Furies is also another example of Mann's obsession with a "King Lear" figure, which manifests itself not only in the Walter Huston character in The Furies, but also Donald Crisp's in The Man from Laramie and Lee J. Cobb's in Man of the West. The other interesting element in The Furies that I believe speaks very highly of Mann is his obvious sympathy for ethnic minorities; in this movie, it is evident in his positive portrayal of the Mexican character Juan Herrera (Gilbert Roland). Mann evidenced similar sympathies in Devil's Doorway (where Robert Taylor's character is a Native American) and also (for obvious reasons) in Border Incident (1949). Anyway, I hope I haven't bored anybody with my ramblings, surely it isn't anything worth commenting much, but at least it feels good to be able to write them down somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 >That is one I have not seen... I keep "missing" it... ha....(OH Secretaries.... HA!) "Duel In The Sun." July 5 - 3:30am and August 17 - 3:30am I have to earn my M&Ms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I had a similar feeling because of Stanwyck's "Vance." I wasn't used to seeing Missy in such a role. It was a little jarring That's interesting, because this is the kind of role I always associate her with: in control, dominating, willful, almost mannish. The surprise came for me when I saw movies that showed her potential for sensuality and softenss. So did you really dislike "Vance" and "Rip" or were your joking? I never really got to like either one. I feel like they were, in a way, lesser than T.C. in terms of likability. He was awful but he enjoyed his awfulness, enjoyed life, and so long as it didn't inconvenience him, he liked to see everyone around him enjoying his awfulness, too! I don't think Rip or Vance cared if anyone else was enjoying life or not. It is a very interesting, and in my opinion, accurate, depiction of the difference in the generations. "Vance" was her father's daughter, but without his love of life or ability to be with all kinds of people. TC was TC whether the room was full of ambassadors or ranch hands. He was himself, and Huston was the perfect actor to embody that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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