MissGoddess Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 > > Yes, he breaks out by taking a strap off of his cot, and roping the table with the keys on it . He pulls it over to the door of the cell.....then there is one of the best scenes with the cowardly Slim Pickens begging him, "Don't kill me, don't kill me.... " as he trips him to the ground, just as Pickens tripped him before. > yes! now I DO remember that. > > I never really thought of Brando as attractive either. But this movie had a nice romantic story, and those gorgeous waves crashing in the background. I actually fell in love with Monterey when I saw it the first time. Those crazy wind swept trees on the edge of the cliffs, and the beach below.... WOW! And of course, as a baddie, my Ben has that devilish eyebrow going on.... Brando is no match.... I can't believe that all the time I was living in California I never got to Monterey or the Big Sur country. Stupid, because it is probably the section I would love the most. No, Brando is never going to match Ben, least not with Oklahoma gals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I see you in Monterey.... it seems like a good match. You could be Lucy Muir....walking down by the water every day.... with that wonderful music in the background.... and the sound of crashing waves.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 > {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > I see you in Monterey.... it seems like a good match. You could be Lucy Muir....walking down by the water every day.... with that wonderful music in the background.... and the sound of crashing waves.... That sounds so idyllic. But this is probably what I'd be stuck with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Is that The Sandpiper? You mean you'd be stuck with a priest? or with a drunken hammy actor? Sorry. I just don't see you with the priestly type.... even Uncle Neddy would be better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Here's a link to One Eyed Jacks if anyone is interested: http://www.freemooviesonline.com/watch-free-movies/western-movies/one%11eyed-jacks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzcutter Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 "Limited"? That just shows how limited the point of view is. They say John Wayne was "limited", too. Okay....I guess being Limited is the way to become a legend, then.* *Thanks for that. That sentence really rubbed me the wrong way when I read it too.....* Jackie, Remember, limited is usually short-hand for critics who don't just don't get it. Limited actors include: John Wayne, Ben Johnson, Warren Oates, James Garner.... Anyone who the critics usually think is only playing himself and not a character. The critics are the limited ones. They never look beyond the surface of what that actor is doing because otherwise, they would have to pay attention. And westerns, what's there to pay attention to? Just a bunch of guys playing cowboys and indians is usually how they see it. The rest of us that spend the time watching westerns and appreciating them, we know different. Limited, yeah critics are, not the actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 > {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > Remember, limited is usually short-hand for critics who don't just don't get it. Limited actors include: John Wayne, Ben Johnson, Warren Oates, James Garner.... Anyone who the critics usually think is only playing himself and not a character. But didn't some critics "get it," even at the time? Surely there must have been. Also, I think that to some degree audiences didn't want to see John Wayne in anything that wasn't a western or war movie or even an adventure like Hatari! - I think The Conqueror was a big flop at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Thanks, Lynn. I guess it's a situation of "Those who can, act. Those who can't, write critiques." Personally, I think the very hardest acting I ever did was that which was closest to my personality. It's easy to play something away from you, but to be natural, that's HARD. Never could do it. I was always more at home on stage, playing someone else. And I say that meaning it was a flaw. And then to add the presence of the camera - to have it up close, watching every little movement of your face, every blink and nod, well the pressure would just be too much for me. But Ryan, Johnson, Wayne, Garner..... all are great reactors...... every little look _means_ something, just as clear as a bell. You can literally read their thoughts, just as if that word was on the page, no doubt as to what they are thinking, and that is what makes a great screen star. That is the difference between a Vivien Leigh and a Tallulah Bankhead. Bankhead was born for the stage. She was fabulously talented there. Leigh was the greatest screen actress of all time. Her thoughts are crystal clear, and in every movie she made, you just feel the emotion rolling out of her. The blink of an eye, or a judiciously lifted brow speaks volumes. Just the same as Wayne or Johnson. It's the recognition of something profound or simple. We recognize those emotions and reactions, and personalize them - because we've been there. They make it look SO easy, that critics are seduced into thinking they themselves could do it. I keep being stunned at how Ben can flick his little finger, or lean back and stretch, and make it into a threat, or in another situation, a heartfelt proposal. How does he do that? How do any of them do that? It's a mystery. Perhaps it's a gift from God, because I don't think you can learn it. At least we can appreciate them, and know that what they do is an art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 SPOILER! > {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > Is that The Sandpiper? You mean you'd be stuck with a priest? > > or with a drunken hammy actor? > Hahahahahaaaa!! Good one! No, I mean because she ends up with NO ONE because there isn't anyone worthwhile around there, lol. Poor Richard. Wasn't that the name of a play? I love Burton, he's burly and smart and funny. > Sorry. > > I just don't see you with the priestly type.... > > even Uncle Neddy would be better than that. Yes, they are the ideal, in Lucy's story. But such ideals exist only in dreams, I'm afraid. Drunken, unfaithful men abound, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzcutter Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 *But didn't some critics "get it," even at the time? Surely there must have been.* Holly, I didn't say that all critics didn't "get it" only that some didn't. There were critics who understood Wayne's persona (as well as those who understood Ben Johnson, James Garner and others) and wrote about their acting ability instead of writing it off under the guise of "just playing themselves." *Also, I think that to some degree audiences didn't want to see John Wayne in anything that wasn't a western or war movie or even an adventure like Hatari! - I think The Conqueror was a big flop at the time.* I don't think anyone here was even suggesting that *The Conqueror* is anything but a bad film. Even Wayne agreed with that one. It wasn't because the audience only wanted to see Wayne in westerns and adventure films (then how do you explain the wonderful *The Quiet Man* ) but because the film was a bad idea that never should have gone past the idea stage. Wayne wasn't alone in being bad in the film, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 > {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > Holly, > I didn't say that all critics didn't "get it" only that some didn't. There were critics who understood Wayne's persona (as well as those who understood Ben Johnson, James Garner and others) and wrote about their acting ability instead of writing it off under the guise of "just playing themselves." Yes, that's what I thought you meant, just wanted to make sure. Thank you for the clarification. > I don't think anyone here was even suggesting that *The Conqueror* is anything but a bad film. Even Wayne agreed with that one. It wasn't because the audience only wanted to see Wayne in westerns and adventure films (then how do you explain the wonderful *The Quiet Man* ) but because the film was a bad idea that never should have gone past the idea stage. Wayne wasn't alone in being bad in the film, either. Point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hey gang: Anybody have one yet? Did we decide on "Hondo" or is something else ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I have Hondo coming today in the mail..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I thought Hondo had indeed been decided on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hiya Chris... there's no "schedule" .... (though sometimes there is a "plan" HA! ) But if you have another you want to bring up, in the meantime, I hope you will feel free. However... I DO believe Mr. Lane IS on his way..... and will likley get here...eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 > > However... I DO believe Mr. Lane IS on his way..... and will likley get here...eventually. > > I'm very curious what Miss Favell thinks of this movie. I really, really like it, and I know the Peacemaker does....but I'm not sure of Shiftless or Miss Favell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 > > However... I DO believe Mr. Lane IS on his way..... and will likley get here...eventually. > > I'm very curious what Miss Favell thinks of this movie. I really, really like it, and I know the Peacemaker does....but I'm not sure of Shiftless or Miss Favell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scsu1975 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I haven't seen Hondo in a long time, although it's been aired on AMC. The opening theme by Hugo Friedhofer is a knockout. Listen how he starts with a grand brassy opening, then turns it into a sweet waltz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g32LGGybids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 That's a pretty sweet theme, thanks for posting that. Here is a nice Hondo still I found: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Oh SCSU... you are stealing my thunder...HA! One thing I am DEFINITELY planning to bring up (when we do get started rambling) is the music... It has to be one of my favorite movie themes ever. In the meantime... thanks for posting that youtube! :-) PS... April.... I am curious about Jackie too... but I bet you are RIGHT on about the Grey Dude...ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Sooooo....does anyone else agree with Mrs Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Well, most often it happens. In the movies, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I like the way Wayne says "Interesting." It is so dismissive. I watched it last night so when anyone is ready - go for it. Message was edited by: movieman1957 because it helps to have all the words IN the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I just got the DVD myself, and I'm roaring to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 > {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > I like the way Wayne says "Interesting." It is so dismissive. > > I watched it last night so when anyone is ready - go for it. > Yes, a little of the practical man's skepticism in his line reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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