MissGoddess Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 > I tend to be patient and curious. > Then why do you complain about Gone with the Wind's length?! > When I was first getting into classic film and westerns, those my gender and age loved Once Upon a Time in the West. I fit right in with that group. Then, here on this board, I've noticed older men and most women just don't care for it. > That's interesting. It is a more "modern" feeling western, which is something I can't get into. Not yet, anyway. > It's all about our sensibilities. One's "boring" is another's "engrossing." So goes life. It's what makes horse races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Then why do you complain about Gone with the Wind's length?! Oh, I just tease about that. It's seventeen hours! That's why! I thought the pacing with Gone with the Wind was pretty good. I didn't think it was a "long" seventeen hours. That's interesting. It is a more "modern" feeling western, which is something I can't get into. Not yet, anyway. That speaks to the sensibilities. The John Wayne/John Ford western watcher is most likely not going to like the Leone westerns... and it's almost vice versa. Thanks to you and some others on the board, I've come to appreciate and like the Wayne/Ford kind of westerns. It's what makes horse races. And horse operas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=Bronxgirl48 wrote:}{quote} > > What's wrong with me that I can't get into ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST? This was my third go-round and I vowed I would watch all the way through, but I just couldn't. > > Oh boy, I'm the last person to answer that, HA!!!! > > I know many disagree, especially Mr. Grimes, but I really think the length is too daunting for such a measured, deliberately paced film. And just to show I can be somewhat fair, I feel the same about Cheyenne Autumn --- either you have a tighter pace or a shorter length, but leisurely pacing and long length are tough to endure, even with the most beautiful cinematography (which both films feature). Now that's my uneducated opinion, which I've no doubt is mistaken. I only get to about 20 minutes or so when Claudia Cardinale shows up, then I have to shut it off. And I LIKE Claudia Cardinale. I haven't seen CHEYENE AUTUMN all the way either and I like John Ford and want to see all this work. What I don't understand is that I managed to sit through HEAVEN'S GATE, which from start to finish I thought one of the worst movies, Western or otherwise, i've ever seen. Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Aug 10, 2010 10:15 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 > {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=Bronxgirl48 wrote:}{quote} > > What's wrong with me that I can't get into ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST? This was my third go-round and I vowed I would watch all the way through, but I just couldn't. > > Oh, jeepers, thank goodness. I thought it was just me. But I'm no judge of a good or bad Western. > > During the first 40 minutes, when the only exciting thing that happens is Jack Elam trying to blow a fly off his chin, I knew it was going to be a boring movie. I was hoping Gene Wilder and Cleavon Little might show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 > Oh, I just tease about that. It's seventeen hours! That's why! I thought the pacing with Gone with the Wind was pretty good. I didn't think it was a "long" seventeen hours. > It isn't seventeen hours! > That speaks to the sensibilities. The John Wayne/John Ford western watcher is most likely not going to like the Leone westerns... and it's almost vice versa. Thanks to you and some others on the board, I've come to appreciate and like the Wayne/Ford kind of westerns. > You're more open minded about movies than I am, that's for sure. I know I have my limits. > And horse operas. Ha! Yes indeed. I wonder what you'll think of The Tall T and how some of it seems to have been borrowed for OUATITW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 "Heaven's Gate" is awful but there is more going on but it often doesn't make any sense. It's big. It's crowded but you kind of scratch your head. Well, I did. The fist 45 minutes could have been lopped off and no one would have been worse for having missed it. I will say that if someone comes to "Once Upon A Time In The West" early in their learning of westerns it could put them off the genre completely. It's deliberate and deep and it is easy for what is going on to get lost. I've sat through them both so that either makes me dedicated or lifeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 I only get to about 20 minutes or so when Claudia Cardinale shows up, then I have to shut it off. And I LIKE Claudia Cardinale. I like her, too, very much. I wish they'd have at least let her use her own voice. The dubbing bothered me. I haven't seen CHEYENE AUTUMN all the way either and I like John Ford and want to see all this work. Beautiful film with many terrific moments, but it is rather slow and long. What I don't understand is that I managed to sit through HEAVEN'S GATE, which from start to finish I thought one of the worst movies, Western or otherwise, i've ever seen. I can't get past the credits on that one! Do you know, for the longest time I didn't even realize that movie was a western? I'd just heard so much about it but somehow never heard or read that it was an oater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 But since I think Sergio Leone is a more important filmmaker than Michael Cimino, I do want to give WEST another chance, and I know that I will. It's just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 My problem with "Cheyenne Autumn" has less to do with the length save for the ridiculous middle with Stewart. It seems so completely out of place and not relevant to the rest of it. I can't believe someone somewhere didn't talk him out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 > {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > My problem with "Cheyenne Autumn" has less to do with the length save for the ridiculous middle with Stewart. It seems so completely out of place and not relevant to the rest of it. I can't believe someone somewhere didn't talk him out of it. I'm not fond of it either, even though it does satirize the hysterical mentality of the "civilization" (frontier towns) and the manipulation of the public by the press. I just feel sad seeing a cynical Wyatt Earp, compared to Henry Fonda's version. Ford had a penchant for turning his own creations on their head...showing us the good and later showing us the not so good of the very same ideals. He was nothing if not willing to see both sides of the coin. The *Cheyenne Autumn* we see is not the one Ford envisioned, so I guess I will always remain curious about what it would have been like without the Studio dispute and re-editing. He wanted a more intimate film, they wanted a "block buster". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 The hysteria the town becomes engulfed in might have been an interesting thing if they hadn't played it so broadly. I didn't know about the other things you mention. I love learning about this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 > {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > The hysteria the town becomes engulfed in might have been an interesting thing if they hadn't played it so broadly. > He definitely liked his comedy broad. He loved to juxtaposition stark drama with comedy, and it works for some and not for others. There are critics who think the middle section is the best part of the movie, maybe because it turns the serious reverence for famous old West figures and attitudes on its head, something they aren't accustomed to from Ford. I, like you, prefer my comedy more subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldbestar Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Thank you for the compliment and the info. I'll double check my posts for clarity in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > I only get to about 20 minutes or so when Claudia Cardinale shows up, then I have to shut it off. And I LIKE Claudia Cardinale. > > I like her, too, very much. I wish they'd have at least let her use her own voice. The dubbing bothered me. I didn't even stay long enough to hear Claudia, but I love her Italian accent when she speaks English. I could listen to her forever in THE PINK PANTHER. I guess I'll have to get used to Leone's use of close-ups (not hard with Cardinale). > > I haven't seen CHEYENE AUTUMN all the way either and I like John Ford and want to see all this work. > > Beautiful film with many terrific moments, but it is rather slow and long. I guess whenever it was on, something else caught my eye less long and slow, so I always told myself I could catch CHEYENNE AUTUMN another time, and when it runs again, I'll definitely make the time. > > What I don't understand is that I managed to sit through HEAVEN'S GATE, which from start to finish I thought one of the worst movies, Western or otherwise, i've ever seen. > > I can't get past the credits on that one! HA! > > Do you know, for the longest time I didn't even realize that movie was a western? I'd just heard so much about it but somehow never heard or read that it was an oater. Me, too! For the longest time I always thought it had something to do with a Chinese emperor. Don't ask me why. Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Aug 11, 2010 9:31 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxreyman Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Then why do you complain about Gone with the Wind's length?! Oh, I just tease about that. It's seventeen hours! That's why! I thought the pacing with Gone with the Wind was pretty good. I didn't think it was a "long" seventeen hours. Thank goodness 1927's Napoleon was NOT a western. I could just hear you start your complaining now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I didn't even stay long enough to hear Claudia, but I love her Italian accent when she speaks English. I could listen to her forever in THE PINK PANTHER. Me, too, she was sooooooooooooo stunning in that film. Me, too! For the longest time I always thought it had something to do with a Chinese emperor. Don't ask me why. Ha! I think I confused it with Warren Beatty's Heaven Can Wait (ick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxreyman Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 If you like Claudia but do not want to sit through 165 excruciatingly long minutes then why not just watch 1966's The Professionals with Claudia and five he-men, Lee Marvin, Burt Lancaster, Woody Strode, Robert Ryan and Jack Palance? Edited by: fxreyman on Aug 11, 2010 10:19 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 > {quote:title=fxreyman wrote:}{quote} > If you like Claudia but do not want to sit through 165 excruciatingly long minutes then why not just watch 1966's The Professionals with Claudia and five he-men, Lee Marvin, Burt Lancaster, Woody Strode, Robert Ryan and Jack Palance? > I'm becoming more and more fond of The Professionals. When I first saw it, I wasn't too keen. But I've since come to enjoy the guys, seeing them all working together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > I didn't even stay long enough to hear Claudia, but I love her Italian accent when she speaks English. I could listen to her forever in THE PINK PANTHER. > > Me, too, she was sooooooooooooo stunning in that film. Oh, lordy, yesssssssss! > Me, too! For the longest time I always thought it had something to do with a Chinese emperor. Don't ask me why. > > Ha! I think I confused it with Warren Beatty's Heaven Can Wait (ick). Ick is right. Edited by: Bronxgirl48 on Aug 11, 2010 11:59 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CineMaven Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Bronxgirl writes Re: "Heaven's Gate" - "Me, too! For the longest time I always thought it had something to do with a Chinese emperor. Don't ask me why." Naaaah. That'd be "Gates of Heaven." (Nice shot from "The Pink Panther") by the way. Fxreyman writes - ?...why not just watch 1966's ?The Professionals? with Claudia and five he-men, Lee Marvin, Burt Lancaster, Woody Strode, Robert Ryan and Jack Palance?? Mmmmmm...he-men!!! A man?s man every last one of ?em! And a woman?s man too. < Sigh! > :x Miss Goddess writes - ?...she was sooooooooooooo stunning in that film.? Yes, Claudia Cardinale was gorgeous, but for me, there was something 'extra' about Capucine ...haughty inaccessibility I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxgirl48 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 > {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote} > Bronxgirl writes Re: "Heaven's Gate" - "Me, too! For the longest time I always thought it had something to do with a Chinese emperor. Don't ask me why." > > Naaaah. That'd be "Gates of Heaven." (Nice shot from "The Pink Panther") by the way. Wasn't that one a doc about a pet cemetary? Ha! Thanks re: Claudia. She's like the Italian version of Natalie Wood somehow to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 You and CineMaven should watch The Professionals. I think you might find it entertaining, even though it's a real "action" western. There is still camaraderie and friendship and Robbie ( :x ) is playing another of his "sweetie" roles (he cares gently for horses, just like Ben...it's a real Ben Johnson role, actually). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Agh! Another role he didn't get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 > {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > Agh! Another role he didn't get! Really, if he had been in The Professionals it would have been like a reprise of The Wild Bunch (I'm not sure which one was made first, and I'm too lazy to check). The two movies do have similarities. But TP is much tamer and less serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I will have to see if I can Netflix it.... or find it on the net. I think it looks like one you ought to watch on a bigger screen, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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