Western Movie Rambles

[CineMaven]

Ha! Well THAT double post looks like it honors (Baby T) Butterscotchgreer.

[movieman1957]

I spent the last two and a half hours watching "The Big Sky." I can't say I found it all that compelling. It's long. Too long. It's big. It has great locations and even realistic sets. IT spends about 45 minutes letting you get to know the gang but not a lot happens. After that the story stops and starts all the way up the river. I am ever so grateful for Arthur Hunnicut. Take him out and you don't have much of a picture.

 

Hunnicut is great. His best scene may have been before they all get started. They are sitting around and Arthur just talks. He is great just to watch and listen. Douglas, to his credit, sits behind Arthur and never takes his eyes off of him. It is a great scene when nothing is going on.

 

The rest of the cast is fine for what they have to do. For those of us who know better Hank Worden plays a crazy Indian who helps them along. He wears a big nose and has all his dialog dubbed. At least it sounds like it.

 

It's ok but I just don't think it is great.

[JackFavell]

I felt the same way, Movieman.... in fact, I couldn't tell you much about the movie, except that I thank goodness I watched it because it was the first movie where I actually realized who Arthur Hunnicutt was.

 

Beautiful scenery too.

[MissGoddess]

I never liked *The Big Sky* and have tried many times. it's the one Hawks film I just can't really say I want to see again. I agree about Hunnicut, he's the saving grace.

[fredbaetz]

Ol Arthur got his only A.A. nomination for supporting actor in "The Big Sky". I always enjoyed it, not Hawks best, just wish there were decent prints of it..Sadly it's in P.D...

 

Edited by: fredbaetz on Oct 18, 2010 8:18 PM

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> I'll try to watch the Griffith and DeMille films in the coming days, Jackie.

>

> I'm also looking to watch:

>

>

 

Sooooooooooooooo....?

[FrankGrimes]

Sooooooooooooooo....?

 

When I get the time tonight, I'll go back and read what you wrote and then rip it to shreds and tell you it's a "religious" film.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Sooooooooooooooo....?

>

> When I get the time tonight, I'll go back and read what you wrote and then rip it to shreds and tell you it's a "religious" film.

 

"Give me that old time religion, it's good enough for me."

[FrankGrimes]

Then a stoning it is!

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Then a stoning it is!

 

"He who is without sin...."

 

That wouldn't be you!

[movieman1957]

Oh good, more fun is a-coming.

[FrankGrimes]

"He who is without sin...."

 

That wouldn't be you!

 

I won't be first, but I'll make sure I'm last!

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> "He who is without sin...."

>

> That wouldn't be you!

>

> I won't be first, but I'll make sure I'm last!

 

And I'm gonna make sure I die last.

[FrankGrimes]

THE TRAIL OF THE SPOILED LONESOME PINE

 

Howdy, Wrongheaded Mule -- At first, I thought, "oh, this is a warm-up for The Shepherd of the Hills", but oh boy, DON'T sell it short. Stick with it because even though many of the themes are just the same and the two films are almost siblings, it has it's own emotional punch. It lacks the mythical dimensions of the later film but it has plenty of heartwrenching human situations. The cast is just as compelling as the later film, though it lacks the mediating character of Harry Carey, jr. And it's just as beautifully photographed. I mean GORGEOUS.

 

For once, I agree with all that you just wrote. That's the end of me.

 

I really like your calling The Trail of the Lonesome Pine a "sibling" of The Shepherd of the Hills. That's a great way of putting it. I did see the similarities, namely in the "curse" that haunts a family and how a "child" pays for this curse.

 

I really liked the film. I thought it was sweet, powerful, and heart-wrenching, on a couple levels. The ending to the film is a sledgehammer. I was stunned by it all. While I do prefer The Shepherd of the Hills a little more, The Trail of the Lonesome Pine is the more devastating film. I believe it's also a very influential picture. I'm glad you brought it to our attention.

 

While Sylvia Sidney at first seems unsuited to playing a hill girl (unlike Betty Field who seemed so at one with the land and the forest), she gradually brings emotional depth to the part as the story steps up in intensity.

 

I'm a Sylvia fan, so I liked her from the start. But I do agree with you, Sylvia is more "city" whereas Betty Field is more "country." And I also agree with you and Jackie's comparison of her to "Cathy" in Wuthering Heights. Although, I don't believe June (Sylvia Sidney) was ever completely in love with Dave (Henry Fonda).

 

 

And guess what film I believe the triangle resembles?

 

Yet, Bondi is the heart and soul of the family and the menfolk don't always seem to appreciate it.

 

Hey! Dave and Judd (Fred Stone) both stopped in their tracks whenever Melissa (Beulah Bondi) spoke up!

 

I was often unsure where his feelings really lay, was he truly interested in her,

was he really getting attached to her and the family or mainly concerned about

the job at hand? This may be because Fred is such a cool personality, he makes

Fonda seem emotional, lol.

 

Jack (Fred MacMurray) seemed mostly focused on the job at hand to start. As he says:

 

 

But June is persistent. She wants Jack and she's going to make sure he recognizes her. She's looking to prove herself to him. I like when she says this to him:

 

 

He's trying to slow her down and she's looking to speed him up. Eventually, she gets to him. His like for her starts to turn into love for her.

 

 

 

 

I admired him in a way, for his stubbornness and ambivalence toward the "progress" coming to their home and way of life. And in other was, it was the suspicion of the ignorant. Fonda did well at conveying a man who was both crudely educated and yet not at all stupid. I'm beginning to think he could do it all.

 

Fonda was superb... as always. The guy could act. And he often took on many different roles. I thought Dave felt his inadequacy is what was costing him June and this caused him to become even more angry. He was lashing out at what he wasn't, which in a way, is his hating himself. So, yes, we've got Doniphon, Ranse, and Hallie.

 

I do like that Sylvia was adaptable and knew what she wanted and went after it. Maybe

seeing what became of Beulah had an impact on her. She knew Fonda was like her

father, and if it weren't for the coming of the developers to their community, she might

have ended up just like Beaulah.

 

You just described Hallie Ericson.

 

As for Sylvia's quick transformation, that was funny. I get the feeling it was for the

benefit of the ladies in the audience who, like me, were sick of seeing her in that

raggedy old dress, HA!

 

I love her blue dress! It made me smile to see her wearing it again! What I loved about the scenes where June is away at school is that she ends up missing what's going on with her family. So her becoming educated takes her away from home, her brother, her parents. There's a huge trade-off. It hurts her.

 

You have a man sent out to get the locals prepared for what's coming: a railroad and

a mine development. They are given what in this case is fair compensation as well

as a share in profits, it seems...or was it stock in the mine? Either way, the movie

is definitely no Grapes of Wrath (sorry Grimes) this time, because the "greedy"

capitalists are nowhere to be found. Maybe it's a bit TOO nice on the mining interests,

but I think the movie is focusing elsewhere. It is showing the complexity of the local

community, where a feudin' and a fussin' is usual but not everyone is a Jed Clampett

ready to pack up and move to Bever-lee as soon as they get a check in hand.

 

It's definitely not The Grapes of Wrath. Both the Tollivers and Falins are making money in this deal. They are not being kicked off their land by the bank. The comment the film makes about "progress" is more about the trade-offs that come with "progress" and how those without come to feel about themselves.

 

 

 

It shows the dangers come not from the mining interests, but in the hardened tradition

of feuding between two families. They've forgotten what the original cause of the

feud was, and the men folk, who are the ones keeping it going, just do it because it's

all they've ever known. Only the women, Beulah in particular, see its futility because they

and the children (Spanky) are the ones who pay for all the violence. The men don't even

seem to mind getting shot up, at least Fonda seems used to it!) and it was interesting to see how

the older generation just naturally expected the young ones after them to keep up the

cycle of violence.

 

And all of that reminded me of The Big Country. In both films, a father ends up killing his own son.

[MissGoddess]

SPOILERS ON THE TRAIL

 

Hello, Ranse

 

>

> For once, I agree with all that you just wrote. That's the end of me.

>

 

How do you think it makes ME feel.

 

> I really like your calling The Trail of the Lonesome Pine a "sibling" of The Shepherd of the Hills. That's a great way of putting it. I did see the similarities, namely in the "curse" that haunts a family and how a "child" pays for this curse.

>

 

Yes, Spanky in this film, and the mute boy in the other.

 

> I really liked the film. I thought it was sweet, powerful, and heart-wrenching, on a couple levels. The ending to the film is a sledgehammer. I was stunned by it all. While I do prefer The Shepherd of the Hills a little more, The Trail of the Lonesome Pine is the more devastating film. I believe it's also a very influential picture. I'm glad you brought it to our attention.

>

 

I'm glad you gave it a chance and I do agree about it's influence. The film does have layers and beauty.

 

> I'm a Sylvia fan, so I liked her from the start. But I do agree with you, Sylvia is more "city" whereas Betty Field is more "country." And I also agree with you and Jackie's comparison of her to "Cathy" in Wuthering Heights. Although, I don't believe June (Sylvia Sidney) was ever completely in love with Dave (Henry Fonda).

>

 

I don't believe she was either, as that screencap you chose illustrates. She didn't know her own heart. It's not as if she would have been miserable with Dave, they knew each other too well for that, but it definitely didn't seem to satisfy her.

 

> And guess what film I believe the triangle resembles?

>

 

I hadn't thought of it, but I do see it now.

 

> Hey! Dave and Judd (Fred Stone) both stopped in their tracks whenever Melissa (Beulah Bondi) spoke up!

>

 

Those scenes are important, but what the movie doesn't show are all the years they obviously turned a deaf ear to her pleadings by going on killing instead of working while she worked herself to a frazzle and faded.

 

> But June is persistent. She wants Jack and she's going to make sure he recognizes her. She's looking to prove herself to him. I like when she says this to him:

> He's trying to slow her down and she's looking to speed him up. Eventually, she gets to him. His like for her starts to turn into love for her.

>

 

Few men have a chance when a woman starts campaigning that hard.

 

> Fonda was superb... as always. The guy could act. And he often took on many different roles. I thought Dave felt his inadequacy is what was costing him June and this caused him to become even more angry. He was lashing out at what he wasn't, which in a way, is his hating himself. So, yes, we've got Doniphon, Ranse, and Hallie.

>

 

That's really very good. I can see it. Maybe that is why Dave remained sympathetic to me and I felt more emotional about him. I liked Jack (MacMurray) but he was not exciting.

 

Fonda keeps rising in my estimation of his talents. For sheer talent, I now rank him third behind Tracy and Stewart and just ahead of Bogart and Ryan.

 

>

> You just described Hallie Ericson.

>

 

I believe I did!

 

>

> I love her blue dress! It made me smile to see her wearing it again! What I loved about the scenes where June is away at school is that she ends up missing what's going on with her family. So her becoming educated takes her away from home, her brother, her parents. There's a huge trade-off. It hurts her.

>

 

That is true, I hadn't really appreciated it until you drew the comparisons, but you're right. And that makes the film even richer.

 

> It's definitely not The Grapes of Wrath. Both the Tollivers and Falins are making money in this deal. They are not being kicked off their land by the bank. The comment the film makes about "progress" is more about the trade-offs that come with "progress" and how those without come to feel about themselves.

>

 

I didn't get too much of that, though June is the only one who seems to show outward signs of the benefits. The Tollivers and Falins have yet to really change their way of life in the course of the film. I'd be interested to see that community 25 years later. Would it even exist?

 

>

> And all of that reminded me of The Big Country. In both films, a father ends up killing his own son.

 

I was trying to recall what film it reminded me of, that must be it.

 

Edited by: MissGoddess on Oct 19, 2010 8:29 PM

[FrankGrimes]

SPOILERS ON THE TRAIL

 

Hello, Ranse

 

 

I'm more like this guy:

 

 

Tater (Fuzzy Knight) is now on my favorite character list.

 

How do you think it makes ME feel.

 

You must feel wonderful!

 

Yes, Spanky in this film, and the mute boy in the other.

 

You've got it.

 

I'm glad you gave it a chance and I do agree about it's influence. The film does have layers and beauty.

 

You are very right, it's layered and rather beautiful. An interesting take on the Hatfields and McCoys.

 

I don't believe she was either, as that screencap you chose illustrates. She didn't know her own heart. It's not as if she would have been miserable with Dave, they knew each other too well for that, but it definitely didn't seem to satisfy her.

 

I think June knew she didn't love Dave like her mother loved her father. She was hoping her mother would reaffirm her feelings but her mom basically told her that she loved Dave. She had feelings for Dave but she didn't love him like a wife should love a husband.

 

Those scenes are important, but what the movie doesn't show are all the years they obviously turned a deaf ear to her pleadings by going on killing instead of working while she worked herself to a frazzle and faded.

 

A very good point.

 

Few men have a chance when a woman starts campaigning that hard.

 

Especially when the girl is as cute as Sylvia!

 

That's really very good. I can see it. Maybe that is why Dave remained sympathetic to me and I felt more emotional about him. I liked Jack (MacMurray) but he was not exciting.

 

Dave is definitely the "Doniphon" in this story. He believes June loves him as he loves her and they are to married at "green up." But June has fallen for Jack and it's not because Jack has pushed it on her. This is how I view Hallie and Ranse. It's June's choosing, just as it was Hallie's. Dave, just as Doniphon did, gets jealous and angry and he looks to do something about it. Eventually, both men come to understand they are losing their love.

 

By the way, did you see when Dave wanted to get hitched?

 

 

I didn't get too much of that, though June is the only one who seems to show outward signs of the benefits. The Tollivers and Falins have yet to really change their way of life in the course of the film. I'd be interested to see that community 25 years later. Would it even exist?

 

I don't believe the Tollivers and Falins know what to do with the money. They've never had money and they seem content living their life the only way they know how, which includes their grudge. Money (progress) can spoil things. But it can also improve things, too. Trade-offs.

 

[MissGoddess]

SPOILERS ON THE TRAIL

 

> I'm more like this guy:

>

>

>

> Tater (Fuzzy Knight) is now on my favorite character list.

>

 

that's rather sweet! i do like his whimsical presence. he's a "Hank Worden" character, very Fordian (Shakespearean). what in particular did you like about him?

 

> I think June knew she didn't love Dave like her mother loved her father. She was hoping her mother would reaffirm her feelings but her mom basically told her that she loved Dave. She had feelings for Dave but she didn't love him like a wife should love a husband.

>

 

Melissa's response was rather touching. It shows her practicality, but also the insularity of her world. Possibilities and choices are beyond her ken. However, I think ultimately she answered as she did because she adores Dave. I think the most beautiful relationship in the film, actually is between Melissa and this boy who is not really her son.

 

 

 

 

It is the polar opposite of Bondi's relationship with the other boy who was not really her son in Shepherd of the Hills. Beaulah Bondi was such an amazing actress. She was promised by Ford personally to play "Ma Joad", and her dedication was such that she went to Oklahoma and lived with the Oakies there for weeks, studying up. She was already physically more like the role as written (gaunt). I don't take anything from Jane Darwell, who was wonderful, but imagine Beulah and the resonance that casting her once again as the beloved mother of Henry Fonda would have brought!

 

> Dave is definitely the "Doniphon" in this story. He believes June loves him as he loves her and they are to married at "green up." But June has fallen for Jack and it's not because Jack has pushed it on her. This is how I view Hallie and Ranse. It's June's choosing, just as it was Hallie's. Dave, just as Doniphon did, gets jealous and angry and he looks to do something about it. Eventually, both men come to understand they are losing their love.

>

 

Yes and I'm sure Dave knew he was perhaps walking into a suicide when he went to the Falins, so the resemblance is deepened.

 

> By the way, did you see when Dave wanted to get hitched?

>

 

Hahahahaaa! Talk about a romance-killer!

 

> I don't believe the Tollivers and Falins know what to do with the money. They've never had money and they seem content living their life the only way they know how, which includes their grudge. Money (progress) can spoil things. But it can also improve things, too. Trade-offs.

 

It's all so ironic that the little one who was so eager to learn had to die. Spanky was so cute. I like how Thurber (Nigel Bruce) took a shine to him. And how sad that he built a replica of the thing that became his death trap.

[FrankGrimes]

THE TRAIL OF THE SPOILED LONESOME PINE

 

Howdy, Cowboy Chris -- Oh good, more fun is a-coming.

 

And the film basically starts off with a prayer!

 

I just finished watching this film. Aside from the setting and the color pretty much any comparison with "Shepherd of The Hills" goes out the window.

 

But there is a grudge that is being held in each film and it costs a young family member their life because of it. Also, the person who is carrying the most hate inside them is shot. It's just their fates are different.

 

I agree that this doesn't have the depth of "Shepherd" but it does have its own emotional impact.

 

That's a very good comment. I agree. The Shepherd of the Hills is more poetic and storybook whereas The Trail of the Lonesome Pine is a kick in the gut. You feel both, though.

 

Fred may have started out doing this for the company but I don't think it took long for him to get past it. Fonda is certainly the emotional one as he is the one having everything taken from him. I'm not sure Fred knows he is in love with Sydney until he says it. I think he is pretty unaware of what the impact his relationship with her early on is having with Fonda.

 

Nicely said. I agree. Dave (Henry Fonda) really is losing everything. Darn those women who play it halfway!

 

I think MacMurray was more on Fonda's side than he knew. I think Fred enjoyed the visits from Spanky and Sylvia more than being friendly for the sake of the business. Fred fought Fonda to show, I think, he really was on his side but that he wasn't going to just back down.

 

Jack knew Dave wouldn't believe a single word he said, so he chose to talk to him in the language he understood... fighting.

 

You are quite right about Fonda. He may not be educated but he was not dumb at all. If anything his lack of experience may have been his biggest hindrance.

 

When June chooses Jack over him, all of his insecurities come to the surface. He now feels his ignorance.

 

 

 

 

 

It's a tough pill for a guy to swallow when the woman you love chooses a guy you know you cannot match, be it in looks, intelligence, money, what have you.

 

I don't think, in film, it is uncommon for feuds to have lost their original meaning. Even if they did Bondi wouldn't have cared. She just wanted an end to it. It is not about right or wrong or winning or losing it is all about keeping her family safe.

 

That's how I saw it. She knew the loss of any family member was far greater than the gain of killing the "enemy."

[FrankGrimes]

THE TRAIL OF THE SPOILED LONESOME PINE

 

that's rather sweet! i do like his whimsical presence. he's a "Hank Worden" character, very Fordian (Shakespearean).

 

In a way, he's our narrator. He's definitely the Shakespearean bard.

 

what in particular did you like about him?

 

That he was good, decent, and honest and that he found happiness in the simple. And when others turned him away, such as Thurber (Nigel Bruce), you got the feeling they were ugly for doing so. Arthur Firecreek (Robert Porter in Firecreek) was similar.

 

 

 

 

By the way, I think an interesting thread could be characters and their animal friends. If such a thread interests you, go for it.

 

Melissa's response was rather touching. It shows her practicality, but also the insularity of her world. Possibilities and choices are beyond her ken. However, I think ultimately she answered as she did because she adores Dave.

 

Excellent! You're right on it. Melissa loves Dave and she wants Dave to be happy. She knows how much Dave loves June.

 

I think the most beautiful relationship in the film, actually is between Melissa and this boy who is not really her son.

 

It's the most loving, without a doubt. And, like you said, he's not her son. He's her adopted son. It's beautiful.

 

Beaulah Bondi was such an amazing actress. She was promised by Ford personally to play "Ma Joad", and her dedication was such that she went to Oklahoma and lived with the Oakies there for weeks, studying up. She was already physically more like the role as written (gaunt). I don't take anything from Jane Darwell, who was wonderful, but imagine Beulah and the resonance that casting her once again as the beloved mother of Henry Fonda would have brought!

 

So why didn't she get the part?

 

Yes and I'm sure Dave knew he was perhaps walking into a suicide when he went to the Falins, so the resemblance is deepened.

 

Great point. He went to protect Jack, just as Doniphon made sure to do the same for Ranse. Shane also does this. Yeah, The Trail of the Lonesome Pine is quite influential.

 

Hahahahaaa! Talk about a romance-killer!

 

What?! I could have sworn you'd go for "hog killin' time" weddin'! Ain't that how you Texan gals do it?

 

It's all so ironic that the little one who was so eager to learn had to die. Spanky was so cute.

 

I immediately thought about Hitchcock's Sabotage. I couldn't believe it was going to happen, but it did. Then I thought he would survive. Whoops! If I'm a child in a Sylvia Sidney flick, I'm expecting to die.

 

I like how Thurber (Nigel Bruce) took a shine to him. And how sad that he built a replica of the thing that became his death trap.

 

One of the many great, emotional layers to this film. It's loaded with them.

 

 

 

[MissGoddess]

MORE LONESOME SPOILERS

 

> In a way, he's our narrator. He's definitely the Shakespearean bard.

>

 

I thought he was rather like the "wise fool", the child of nature. He also reminded me of "Chester" on Gunsmoke!

 

> That he was good, decent, and honest and that he found happiness in the simple. And when others turned him away, such as Thurber (Nigel Bruce), you got the feeling they were ugly for doing so. Arthur Firecreek (Robert Porter in Firecreek) was similar.

>

 

Good catch, I definitely felt that. There's another (movie) character he reminds me of....I'm trying to think. It's there in the back of my mind. I'll probably remember in the middle of the night.

 

And that last cap with the doggie, I took that exact same one!

 

> By the way, I think an interesting thread could be characters and their animal friends. If such a thread interests you, go for it.

>

 

You should start it! You never start threads. There is such a relationship in *Giant*.

 

And yes, I know there isn't a chance in Chihuahua of your starting such a thread.

 

> Excellent! You're right on it. Melissa loves Dave and she wants Dave to be happy. She knows how much Dave loves June.

>

 

I think she also assumes any girl would love him as she does.

 

> It's the most loving, without a doubt. And, like you said, he's not her son. He's her adopted son. It's beautiful.

>

 

I can't get over how it mirrors the relationship in the later film, only in the later film the relationship is a fun house mirror.

 

>

> So why didn't she get the part?

>

 

From what I've read, money. I assume Darwell was under contract at Fox, and so could be used more cheaply.

 

> Great point. He went to protect Jack, just as Doniphon made sure to do the same for Ranse. Shane also does this. Yeah, The Trail of the Lonesome Pine is quite influential.

>

 

I still wonder about the even earlier films, particularly the westerns. What we think are influential films, may in fact have been the result of films that influenced the directors in the teens and twenties.

 

> What?! I could have sworn you'd go for "hog killin' time" weddin'! Ain't that how you Texan gals do it?

>

 

Oooooh....where is Coopsgirl and Butterscotch? We need a rope tie party!

 

> I immediately thought about Hitchcock's Sabotage. I couldn't believe it was going to happen, but it did. Then I thought he would survive. Whoops! If I'm a child in a Sylvia Sidney flick, I'm expecting to die.

>

 

HA!!! Oh boy, you do pull them out of your hat. I never would have thought of *Sabotage*. GASP!

 

> One of the many great, emotional layers to this film. It's loaded with them.

>

 

I'm teary eyed over that. And the doggie, I like that Hathaway gave time to the doggie.

[FrankGrimes]

I thought he was rather like the "wise fool", the child of nature. He also reminded me of "Chester" on Gunsmoke!

 

No, you're definitely right. He imparts his wisdom through song. Hoagy Carmichael was playing a similar character in Canyon Passage, although he wasn't seen as simple as Tater is.

 

And that last cap with the doggie, I took that exact same one!

 

I saw! I love that image as a final curtain. It says so much about the simple things in life.

 

You should start it! You never start threads. There is such a relationship in Giant. And yes, I know there isn't a chance in Chihuahua of your starting such a thread.

 

You've got it! Ruff, ruff!

 

I think she also assumes any girl would love him as she does.

 

What a lovely point. You're right. And this is part of the sweetness that is found in such a tragic film. Lots of layers. It really is a deep film.

 

I can't get over how it mirrors the relationship in the later film, only in the later film the relationship is a fun house mirror.

 

This is also part of the mirror:

 

 

I still wonder about the even earlier films, particularly the westerns. What we think are influential films, may in fact have been the result of films that influenced the directors in the teens and twenties.

 

Oh, I'm sure of it. If it's not the films, it's the literary works.

 

Oooooh....where is Coopsgirl and Butterscotch? We need a rope tie party!

 

You're already looking to kill the little piggies! Are you looking to be married?!

 

HA!!! Oh boy, you do pull them out of your hat. I never would have thought of Sabotage. GASP!

 

It's eerily similar.

 

I'm teary eyed over that. And the doggie, I like that Hathaway gave time to the doggie.

 

The dog is definitely a character in the film. It's wonderful.

 

 

 

[movieman1957]

I never would have thought of the triangle as compared to "Liberty Valance." (It all comes back to it.) Reading you and MissG is always a treat and this is no exception.

 

Great.

[FrankGrimes]

I never would have thought of the triangle as compared to "Liberty Valance." (It all comes back to it.)

 

That's because Ford stole it from everyone else!

 

Reading you and MissG is always a treat and this is no exception.

 

You actually read what Fordy Guns writes?!

[movieman1957]

>You actually read what Fordy Guns writes?

 

Absolutely. I like to know what gets you riled up. Besides if I don't it is like listening to a one sided phone conversation.

 

Besides, she's smart too. (And lovely.)

[FrankGrimes]

Absolutely. I like to know what gets you riled up.

 

Snippy, mule-headed women!

 

Besides if I don't it is like listening to a one sided phone conversation.

 

With her, I'll go with the one-sided phone conversation.

 

Besides, she's smart too. (And lovely.)

 

What?! She's cast a spell on you!