Western Movie Rambles

[FrankGrimes]

I'm watching The Cowboys right now and Wayne's character just said "A big mouth

doesn't make a big man."

 

Don't I know it.

 

My favorite scene in Angel and the Badman is any with Gail. I also loved every scene

with Harry Carey. But if I were to pick my favorite, it's when ol' Wistful talks to Quirt about

farming:

 

 

My favorite line in the film is said by Quirt:

 

"All right, if I'm gonna be holy, I gotta get some fun out of it."

 

I've got a thing for Quaker girls:

 

 

 

 

 

[MissGoddess]

My favorite scene in Angel and the Badman is any with Gail.

 

I love when she's watching him as he sleeps and talks about "Lilah". That whole

scene lasts for a little while and she does it silently just with facial reactions. I think that

shows real ability.

 

I also loved every scene with Harry Carey. But if I were to pick my favorite, it's when ol' Wistful talks to Quirt about farming:

 

Harey's so wonderful. I love when he told Penelope, "You there, Missy, don't be

lookin' at him with your eyes all bugged out. Ain't no future in it." Ha!

 

If you like Quaker girls, you need to watch *Friendly Persuasion* next.

[JackFavell]

This:

 

 

And this:

 

 

And this:

 

[FrankGrimes]

I love when she's watching him as he sleeps and talks about "Lilah". That whole

scene lasts for a little while and she does it silently just with facial reactions. I think that

shows real ability.

 

Gail is very cute during her silent scene.

 

And I was wondering when you'd bring up your scene, Lila.

 

"It tickles going down and it's expensive, so I like it!"

 

 

Harey's so wonderful. I love when he told Penelope, "You there, Missy, don't be

lookin' at him with your eyes all bugged out. Ain't no future in it." Ha!

 

He's right, too!

 

If you like Quaker girls, you need to watch Friendly Persuasion next.

 

So you think I'm gonna fall for Mary Cooper in that one? Is she as adorable as Grace and

Gail?

[MissGoddess]

Wonderful caps, Wendy, oohh, Dukey so cute in that Bible scene. :x

[MissGoddess]

I'm no Lilah!!! I'm a Penny. Who likes champagne. That's all!

 

So you think I'm gonna fall for Mary Cooper in that one? Is she as adorable as Grace and

Gail?

 

You should be ashamed of yourself. Just when we thought we could put away the new,

frozen rope.

[JackFavell]

You think that was cute? How about this:

 

[rohanaka]

Whoa.... I tried earlier to get on here to reply to your further thoughts on John Wayne and Gail Russell there, little Jackie... and this lousy message board was all whacko again and would not work right... now I see I have some catching up to do!! But I will start w/ you young'un! And see how far I get.....

 

I am SO glad I came to these message boards because I sure can honestly say that I love him now

 

I think the Duke is DEFINITELY worth a second (and third and fourth etc etc) glance ha... but again I am biased.... I am glad you have found him out. And PS... you sound like you have had a similar revelation about him to what I have had toward Henry Fonda... I just NEVER could really get all that enthusiastic about Fonda... but over time... from reading on here... and viewing some of the films a few folks have suggested... I have become a true fan. It's nice to find new "old" favorites... ha.

 

now I see what all the fuss was about. She was marvelous with those big tremulous tear filled eyes.

 

I think she had VERY expressive eyes. I would put those among her best features. (but I am not a guy... ha.)

 

I thought Robert Osborne would have a heart attack right there talking about Gail Russell and how beautiful she was and what a great talent she was.... he literally gushed over her.... it was so cute..... RO is human too!

 

He really did pay her some very nice attention. I think it is good to see some "lesser known" quality actors and actresses get that sort of treatment. That is another nice thing about TCM.

 

I also came to the realization yesterday that I love westerns..... HA! Who would have thought it

 

Of course, anyone walking into my house would know because of the continual loop of Ben Johnson movies running on my television set

 

Woo Hoo!! Go west young Favell, go west!!! Ha. (And PS.. Its been nice having you here on the Western side of town lately.) :-)

 

And PSS: Wendy and April too... re: the comments about Wayne's politics. HA! If I decided to stop watching all the actors I disagreed w/.... OH my golly.... Ninety nine percent of the actors and entertainers and their movies and tv shows and music from probably the last 25 years or so would go unwatched.... ha.

 

I think the interview you posted has it pretty well said, April.. Westerns in general tend to get "looked down upon" by some because they have a reputation for being.... I don't know... less "cerebral" maybe??? (as if CURRENT movies would rate better.. ha!) I think often people who like westerns are just considered a bunch of "hicks" or maybe uneducated or unsophisticated.... or possibly all three...

 

But I guess if that WERE true... I would be the only one left on here still talking about westerns... HA!!! (in case you are wondering... I was complimenting you folks and slamming myself.... just to clarify my poor attempt at humor.... ha) What I am saying is that it's nice for an uneducated, unsophisticated hick like me to see so many OTHER folks from so many different walks of life enjoy the same sort of films as I do.

 

Ok... everybody sing along with me... "All we are saying.... is give WESTERNS a chance...." :-)

 

Ok... I have clearly gone off the deep end now... I must need a vacation or something.... ha.

[FrankGrimes]

I'm no Lilah!!! I'm a Penny. Who likes champagne. That's all!

 

You're no "Penny"! You're a "Lila"! Penelope is only worth a penny, but she's priceless.

 

You should be ashamed of yourself. Just when we thought we could put away the new,

frozen rope.

 

What?! I've been talking and watching westerns! I'm innocent, like always.

[MissGoddess]

You think that was cute? How about this:

 

Sweeeet!! Especially the first one.

 

By the way, the picture quality of your screencaps is sensational! Mine are so

murky.

[MissGoddess]

You're no "Penny"! You're a "Lila"! Penelope is only worth a penny, but she's priceless.

 

And just WHAT does that make me worth if Miss Worth is worth a penny?

 

Oh, I'm just going to leave you to the frozen rope.

[JackFavell]

RoRo! You are the sweetest thing. You are no hick, or maybe I should say we all have a little hick inside ourselves....

 

But I think you are right, and Molly Haskell is right. Westerns are not even looked down on, they are not LOOKED at, at all. This to me is a shame, because in some ways, Ford was right - you can find the deepest meanings in the Westerns.... I am slowly coming to realize that. You can find a lot of drivel too, but overall, they address things that standard movies could not.

 

And they have cute dudes with unshaven faces and babe-alicious gals in calico dresses....who fill them out nicely.....

[rohanaka]

Frank Grimes said:

 

I was hesitant to watch Wayne because I thought he always played a blowhard tough guy

who had all the answers and was always "right." I've learned differently. In the films I have

seen of him, he's played some fascinating characters and he has done so with great

nuance and care. I've also been terribly impressed by his comedic sense and timing. I've

been completely impressed by Wayne.

 

To see Wayne in The Quiet Man then The Wings of Eagles then They Were

Expendable then She Wore a Yellow Ribbon then Fort Apache has been

quite an experience and a real lesson in the underrated acting ability of Wayne.

 

The word that stands out most with Wayne for me is "comfortable." He always seems

to be at ease and I find this to be very inviting

 

To which Rohanaka replied......

 

FRANK GRIMES SAID THAT ????????????????????

 

Oh my golly. (I wish I had said it all that well.)

 

Now about some of the other stuff Frank Grimes has been saying......

 

Where IS my rope????

 

PS.... EVERYBODY.... terrific screencaps.

[rohanaka]

Aw Jackie... you are too nice to me...

 

Ford was right - you can find the deepest meanings in the Westerns...... And they have cute dudes with unshaven faces

 

Best of both worlds, isnt' it???? ha. :-)

[JackFavell]

I thought my caps were murky... But I found if I use my pause button and THEN take the cap, they sometimes come out better. You guys probably always do that, but it took me till last week to figure it out.

 

Westerns also can offer a rollicking good time, even while offering up some good messages. I am starting to really enjoy bar fights.....

[fxreyman]

The main problem with most of the current group of movie critics is that many of them do not have a great appreciation of John Wayne. And unfortunately, the main reason was his politics.

 

He is one of the few classic, golden-age Hollywood-era main stream stars who was NOT afraid to talk about his beliefs, and because of that he was thought of about being an actor who no one could get along with. Preminger believed this before working with Duke on In Harm's Way in 1965. Preminger believed that because Wayne was such a staunch conservative, the two of them would not get along. Actually the opposite was true. Preminger found Duke to be the consummate professional, always prepared to act, always willing to help other actors on the set, willing to accept different ideas about acting in scenes. And they got along great.

 

Wayne is the greatest actor that ever lived (IMHO). If you look at his filmography, he was a star from 1939 to 1976. Almost thirty years after his death, he is still one of the most popular actors. And why is that? I think it is because his movies and the characters he has portrayed are genuinely most American. And his importance in the western genre can not be dismissed. If it wasn't for Ford and Wayne, the western would not be held up as high as it is now.

 

And a lot of that has to do with the way Wayne carried himself through the years. Was he vocal? Yes, to a certain degree. He was not one to just go out and make silly political comments about whatever was bothering him at the time. When asked to speak at the Republican National Convention, he did so. When asked to provide certain ideas and beliefs, he only did so, not to benefit a movie release (like so many actors do now) but when he felt it was an appropriate time to do so.

 

But in many cases today, if you are an actor who is considered to be a conservative, watch out!

 

Many of these actors are in the closet so to speak. They dare not come out and voice their opinions mainly because the Hollywood of today is soooooo liberal. You come out and speak out on conservative issues, and your lucky if you get a job in the next three months or more.

 

That is why I abhor many of today's young actors. Because many of them are from the left side of the political aisle, they seem to think it is their right to say everything they can against the people from the other side. It is definitely not like it was when the Duke was a major star. Back then, most actors were respectful of actors on the other side of the political fence.

 

Which leads me back to the future. This is a sad thing, because, I believe that there are many actors working today that I find very good and very interesting, but I do not try and follow their politics. One of these actors is Chris Cooper from Lone Star which was on Thursday night. He is one of my favorite actors working today. I do not agree with his politics, but at least he is NOT like Alec Baldwin or Matt Damon, who believe that the best way to confront what they don't like about the other side is to air their beliefs on the internet or say what they want to say while being interviewed.

 

Many actors today use their celebrity status to air their beliefs, something many of the actors of the golden age would never dream to do. Of course, back then there was no Larry King Live, or other talk shows that just love to show this kind of stuff. I would have a great deal more respect for these people if they had some sort of education in political science. All they seem to know is what they don't like about other people who are different than they are.

 

Today, with the instant glorification that the internet gives us, anyone can go online and say what ever they want to, irregardless of what the other person who has beliefs on the other side might think. I can understand why some actors feel the urge to go online, or be interviewed about certain political view points. But I sincerely believe that our world would be a whole heck of a lot better if they would just leave their beliefs at home and private.

[HollywoodGolightly]

> {quote:title=fxreyman wrote:}{quote}

> Almost thirty years after his death, he is still one of the most popular actors. And why is that? I think it is because his movies and the characters he has portrayed are genuinely most American.

 

I would not disagree with that, Rey, but I do wonder how much of Wayne's success had to do with plain old luck and the fact he happened to make friends with Ford, and how much of it was due to choosing the roles he did. (That's not to say he had no talent - obviously he had lots of it).

 

I'd also love to hear you explain how you think his personal politics influenced his choice of movie roles, but if you don't wish to talk about that, it's OK.

[JackFavell]

[FrankGrimes]

I have really enjoyed your caps, Jackie, girl. Very nicely done.

 

And, yes, I always take my caps with the film paused.

[rohanaka]

Hi there fxreyman...

 

Thanks for your comments....

 

And I have to say... (and I will limit all this out of respect for those who might not agree w/ me) that I think a lot of the reason conservatives (at least nowdays) are treated so harshly in the entertainment industry is the same reason that Westerns get ignored as well.

 

There is a mindset in our popular culture held by some people (especially many of those in Hollywood) that says if you are a conservative... you must be a "hick" or uneducated or unsophisticated.... or some combination of all three.

 

And again... if that were true... then I would also likely be the ONLY Conservative on here as well... ha. (speaking again as an uneducated, unsophisticated hick... ha.)

 

At any rate... I respect ANY person's right to their own opinion... politically or otherwise... but it does get VERY irritating to see so many present day actors behave in such a rude and disrespectful manner as they vehemently oppose anyone who may disagree with them. (And what's worse for me is the pervading mindset many of them also have that THEIR opinion seems to matter more in the great scheme of things... just because they are a celebrity)

 

We are all entitled to our own opinions in this world... but we are NOT all entitled to browbeat, badmouth, and generally malign those who disagree with us. And sadly... that is what a LOT of the more vocal actors and entertainers nowdays seem to enjoy (perhaps on BOTH sides of the political fence) I find it all quite offensive.

 

Ok... enough said about THAT... at least on my part.(and ps... I have no intent on debating politics w/ anyone on here... thanks anyway)

 

Wayne is the greatest actor that ever lived (IMHO). If you look at his filmography, he was a star from 1939 to 1976. Almost thirty years after his death, he is still one of the most popular actors. And why is that? I think it is because his movies and the characters he has portrayed are genuinely most American. And his importance in the western genre can not be dismissed. If it wasn't for Ford and Wayne, the western would not be held up as high as it is now.

 

My gosh, my golly!!! I love how you love John Wayne!!! ha. I still remember you telling that story about taking your future wife to see Hatari... ha.

 

I don't know if I can call him the greatest actor that ever lived because that is such a subjective thing.... but he IS my most favorite actor ever... for all the reasons you listed and more. :-)

 

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[cinemafan]

Hey gang,

I'm going to re-post this link that Bronxgirl put up a while back. Maybe some of you haven't seen it - I checked it out again this evening after reading your John Wayne rambles. It's entertaining to say the least. (Thanks, Bronxgirl) Hope this works!

 

http://www.aeonity.com/ab/soundboards/celebrity/john-wayne.php

[MissGoddess]

Wendy---what movie is that screencap from?? I can't place it and it's a great shot.

[MissGoddess]

> {quote:title=cinemafan wrote:}{quote}

> Hey gang,

> I'm going to re-post this link that Bronxgirl put up a while back. Maybe some of you haven't seen it - I checked it out again this evening after reading your John Wayne rambles. It's entertaining to say the least. (Thanks, Bronxgirl) Hope this works!

>

> http://www.aeonity.com/ab/soundboards/celebrity/john-wayne.php

 

 

hahahaaa!! I love that "soundboard" and many of those "Duke-isms" have come in mighty handy!

[rohanaka]

many of those "Duke-isms" have come in mighty handy

 

http://www.aeonity.com/ab/soundboards/celebrity/john-wayne.php

 

5 across... 7 down!!! Ha!!!!!!

[MissGoddess]