MissGoddess Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemafan Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 namby pamby poppinjay!!! nincompoop!! (haven't time to check my spelling) ouch!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 > {quote:title=cinemafan wrote:}{quote} > namby pamby poppinjay!!! nincompoop!! (haven't time to check my spelling) ouch!! Oh, don't be so hard on FrankGrimes. On second thought, go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemafan Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=cinemafan wrote:}{quote} > > namby pamby poppinjay!!! nincompoop!! (haven't time to check my spelling) ouch!! > > Oh, don't be so hard on FrankGrimes. On second thought, go ahead. FrankG. has enough on his plate without me piling more on! I have to see *Wake of the Red Witch*, though, after watching that clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemafan Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi cinemafan---the clip is actually from Reap the Wild Wind. I think the whole thing may be on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemafan Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > Hi cinemafan---the clip is actually from Reap the Wild Wind. I think the whole > thing may be on YouTube. Then, I'll have to watch that too! Maybe this summer, when I'll have more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scsu1975 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > Here's another sort of aperitif that goes well with giant squid: > > At the 7:40 mark, Lugosi and the octopus minus onepus go at it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmEysJbv6HY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmEysJbv6HY It's a very lively-looking octopus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Meanwhile back at the ranch......... That would be the BARB ranch by the way (or maybe better still it was the Half Moon Ranch) .... a LONG over due ramble sat alone in the dust. But along came a Quiet Gal... a ramlbin' gal.... A gal who was friendly to everyone.... and OH so patient. But.... still... a gal who had had enough.... She was a Gal in search of a slacker.... someone who needed to be taught a lesson. There?s a code in the old west and this shiftless outlaw had broken that code.... and now his time had run out. That Shiftless Grimes had spent too many months (or maybe even YEARS) with his false promises of a ramble on The Man from Laramie. And he wasn't alone. He and his accomplice, Mad Hat Molo had both been shirking their duty... and now... they were about to pay up. For a long time.... the threat of an ice cold rope had shadowed their every footstep.... but the Quiet Gal decided a simple Hangin' was just too good for these two outlaws... so BEFORE the hangin' she would also teach them a little respect... Because you see... this Quiet Gal not only carried a rope... she also carried her trusty Peacemaker... AND.... THIS would now be the fate of old Shiftless and Mad Hat should they fail any further in their sworn promise to ramble.... . :p :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!! Why do I hear the scurrying sounds of rats deserting a sinking ship? You can run, Shiftless and Mad Hat, but you cannot hide (cue Enrico Morricone music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I've been saving this cap for you, Peacemaker. I knew it would come in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 That was a terrific western. Didn't know you liked Clint Eastwood that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I've been locked away in a jail, waiting for you to bail me out! I've got quite a few movies I can ramble about. I've been patiently waiting. Now what have you done to Mad Hat?! Don't tell me he was captured and is working at the "Barb" ranch as a kilt-wearin' stud. I'd rather be hanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Oh my gosh, my golly... Jackie!! Ha!! With you and April as my fellow Enforcers... those two desperados don't stand a chance.... ha. I have to say about TMFL..... I am looking forward to hearing the "manly man' perspective on MANN....... ha. From my limited experience w/ Mann... this is the pattern I am seeing in his films by the way: He has some interesting characters, and what COULD be a really strong story (but for some reason still needed a bit more developing for my taste) and a lot of action and suspense. Oh... and throw in a little psychological intrigue as well just to keep it all interesting.. ha) I can't honestly say that this film would be among my most favorite westerns ever, but I really enjoyed it a lot for a lot of different reason. The story was pretty good.... but I just had a few issues w/ some of the characters and their motivations. Still... it had some good twists and turns (like in the relationship between Crisp and our dear Aline MacMahan.) And I think overall... this was a good effort on Stewart's part. I also liked Wallace Ford's character in this one as well. I wish he'd had a little bit more time on screen. Oh... and I loved slimy old Jack Elam... what a piece of work. (ha) And I also thought the scenery was terrific in this film as well . VERY stark yet beautiful. I think overall it is a good western, but if I have any REAL problems w/ it... I guess it would be that I mostly just got hung up on the son.... what a ridiculous character. He was just too "unreal". But maybe it is because I wanted him to have more lines so we could get a chance to see him be really awful and not just show up.... beat up and/or shoot somebody.... and disappear again.His character was just too underdeveloped to be beleivable. His best scene was his last one up on that cliff w/ the fire and the wagon full of guns... I just did not find him all that believable or menacing of a bad guy (despite all his HORRIFIC acts of violence... ) And then maybe the other critiscim I had was that whole.... "I had a dream".... thing from the father. That was a bit "far fetched" for a rugged western like this one as well... But again.. overall.... I think this one has a lot of fine moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 I've been locked away in a jail, waiting for you to bail me out! Excuses, excuses.... now that you've been SPRUNG... you'd best get to ramblin on Laramie..... because HONDO is looming in the distance after this one my friend... and who know's HOW many more to go as well.... NO rest for you, Mr. Grey. Don't tell me he was captured and is working at the "Barb" ranch as a kilt-wearin' stud. I'd rather be hanged. HA!!!!! Well that would be the OTHER "Barb" ranch now wouldn't it.... ha. She will have to chime in on that one... ha. So.... now that I've given you a little rope here in my opening ramble.... DON'T you go and hang yourself w/ it (that would be my job!) I will look forward to hearing your "manly man' ramble on Mann. So get busy, Grey Dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Howdy Hang-em-High-Rohanaka! How do you ilke that, Shiftless is saying now that WE kept HIM waiting in the cooler. Talk about a switch. I think overall it is a good western, but if I have any REAL problems w/ it... I guess it would be that I mostly just got hung up on the son.... what a ridiculous character. He was just too "unreal". But maybe it is because I wanted him to have more lines so we could get a chance to see him be really awful and not just show up.... beat up and/or shoot somebody.... and disappear again.His character was just too underdeveloped to be beleivable. His best scene was his last one up on that cliff w/ the fire and the wagon full of guns... I just did not find him all that believable or menacing of a bad guy (despite all his HORRIFIC acts of violence... ) I wonder if this movie suffered from an overabundance of characters, causing few of them to be well delineated. I can hardly recall anything about the son except he was a punk. I think Kennedy's character had more development, and perhaps this was done deliberately so we would feel like he really was more of a son to Donald Crisp than Crisp's fleshly child. The girl, Cathy O'Donnell, is not developed either. She's engaged and yet nothing seems to come of that after a one scene build up. I will say, though, that the part you screen-capped with the hand---that's one of the most disturbingly violent and sadistic things I've ever seen in movies. I know, I'm a wimp because that's probably tame compared to what they show today. It's more than enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hello there, my fellow Enforcer!! ha. Shiftless is saying now that WE kept HIM waiting in the cooler I'm not buying it... he had his chance WAY back about a gazillion YEARS ago when I first brought this one up for a ramble and he NEVER showed up.... he will have to do some fancy shootin' to talk his way out of that! I wonder if this movie suffered from an overabundance of characters, causing few of them to be well delineated I think you may be on to something. But that is not necessarily an excuse because I have seen films where there were a lot of characters and it still seemed to "click". (Rio Bravo, Rio Grande, Rio anything... ha.) Or even perhaps more recently Silverado. (Hey Chris... how'd you like me getting THAT one mentioned in here ...ha) And you are right about O'Donnell's character too.. just not enough "substance". I think it was all on the writer's hands... or maybe in Mann's... and there was just too much focus on the action itself and not enough on developing some of the characters while the action was going on.... But what do I know?? I am not a filmmaker by any stretch of the imagination. Ha. I guess that is why they MAKE the movies... and I just sit and watch them... I will say, though, that the part you screen-capped with the hand---that's one of the most disturbingly violent and sadistic things I've ever seen in movies. I know, I'm a wimp because that's probably tame compared to what they show today. It's more than enough for me Ha.... If you are a wimp I must be too... I got that image from youtube (no small task, by the way for this technophobic wretch) and I was "squeamish" just thinking about what comes next after that little preview in the trailier. I think that is one of the best "reactions" I have seen from Stewart ever, by the way. TOTALLY believable. (which I think is one of the main reasons it is so hard to watch) They don't actually SHOW it (like they would now days) so you are left to his reaction to get the full impact of the moment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I'll get to it tonight, although I also have to attend a ball with someone, too. That is, if she shows. I guess I do deserve to be stood up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 I guess I do deserve to be stood up Or was that STRUNG up?????? HA!!!! I will be waiting... with the rope and the gun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think you may be on to something. But that is not necessarily an excuse because I have seen films where there were a lot of characters and it still seemed to "click". (Rio Bravo, Rio Grande, Rio anything... ha.) Or even perhaps more recently Silverado. (Hey Chris... how'd you like me getting THAT one mentioned in here ...ha) And you are right about O'Donnell's character too.. just not enough "substance". I think it was all on the writer's hands... or maybe in Mann's... and there was just too much focus on the action itself and not enough on developing some of the characters while the action was going on.... But what do I know?? I am not a filmmaker by any stretch of the imagination. Ha. I guess that is why they MAKE the movies... and I just sit and watch them... Kennedy plays a somewhat similar character to Stewart's in BEND OF THE RIVER, and I feel the relationship is much more interesting and better developed. I don't think Stewart and Kennedy share enough time together to make their conflict seem intense enough. The confilct between Stewart and the three men on that ranch--father, son and "son"---is too diffused, in my opinion. Maybe this is why I focus more on Aline and Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Kennedy plays a somewhat similar character to Stewart's in BEND OF THE RIVER, and I feel the relationship is much more interesting and better developed Though I am NO expert on Anthony Mann... Bend of the River may be my favorite Mann Western. And the reason for that is likely because.... besides the fact that I just like the story better, it's also probably due in part to the fact that all the stuff that I think is "wrong" about TMFL seems to be "right"in BOTR. The characters and their motivations seem to be more realistic and I also just think the story flows better. (At least that is how it seems in my mind... I have not seen that one in a while...) And I agree w/ you completely about Kennedy's character... you just get a better "grasp" of who he really is in that one... Though going back to TMFL...I thought Kennedy did a pretty good job overall. And at least for me, he seemed like the better written and easier to "grasp" of the two "bad guys" in this story. His character was far better explained by the story and the action.... he just seemed a lot more "real". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I had no problem with Kennedy's performance or the character in TMFL, just that there seemed less tension or conflict between him and Stewart than I wanted. In fact, the main conflict to me seemed to be between Kennedy and the old man, with Stewart's character being almost over-hyped. He was built up in Crisp's mind as the stranger come to wreak havoc with his life and it just never seemed like we even needed Jimmy's character or he was reduced to a catalyst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohanaka Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 the main conflict to me seemed to be between Kennedy and the old man, with Stewart's character being almost over-hyped. He was built up in Crisp's mind as the stranger come to wreak havoc with his life and it just never seemed like we even needed Jimmy's character or he was reduced to a catalyst That is a good way to describe Stewart's part. To me it was like he was the "beginning"... sort of a way to set up the REAL story and introduce the other characters... and then he kept bouncing around throughout the story to act.. as you say... a catalyst for a lot of the action and to offer a chance for everyone to step up and show what their characters were all about... and then in the end.... he acts as the "closure" (more or less) for all the conflict. But honestly... most of the story really doesn't seem to be centered around him.. at least not as much as it seems to just be taking place... around him. (not the same thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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