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Nando_Morton

'Now, Voyager'

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First of all, hello to all the wonderful posters on TCM forums (and hello Cinemaven!)

 

I have just moved house and in the misery of packing/unpacking/boxes, the only DVD I was able to lay my hands on last week was 'Now, Voyager', which I ended up watching about a million times (I don't have cable set up yet, so it was Charlotte Vale or nothing!)

 

Is it just me, or is there anyone else who - along with the 'tragedy' of this tale - also finds is incredibly (unintentionally) funny? There are truly times when I don't know whether to laugh or cry! Maybe it's because the drama is so 'high' throughout. Maybe it is wonderful Bette's performance? Is it because the emotional 'pitch' of the movie is consistently so fraught that we end up laughing at the most dramatic moments as a release? I don't know! I've been trying to figure it out. There are so many moments in this movie that I find myself re-winding for the 'comic value' (oh, SHAME on ME!). For example, the whole 'Aunt Charlotte's Got the Shakes' episode....and when Charlotte's sister-in-law, Lisa, goes to see her at the end of her treatment at 'Cascades', and Dr Jacquith (Claude Rains) tells Lisa not to be alarmed by Charlotte's appearance, that she'll find her 'very much changed', because she's 'lost a lot of weight'....and then we see Bette Davis looking EXACTLY THE SAME as in the last scene with her!

 

And then there's that beautiful moment when Jerry tells Charlotte that he's; 'taken the liberty of ordering Cointreau'. Ha ha! (What sort of girl did he TAKE her for, taking such LIBERTIES with her? Orange flavored after-dinnner liqueur? )

 

I have concluded after this week that Now, Voyager is, actually....My All Time Favorite Movie. It makes me laugh, it makes me cry, it makes me want to RIP Bette Davis' false eye-brows off...it makes me want to go on 'pleasure cruises' to Latin America! It makes me want to live in a huge, Boston mansion and have 'weenie roasts' (whatever THEY are.....can somebody tell me? You might remember, those of you who might remember me, that I'm not from 'round these parts, and the 'weenie roast' party is VERY confusing and a LITTLE bit scary for me!!!)

 

Anyway, I just wanted to stop by to say 'hi', and wax lyrically about what I think just might be the most imperfectly PERFECT movie of all time!

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no no no no no no! please no. not at all. you didn't offend at all. i sometimes have a good laugh at the expense of an old classic. but they're usually "b"...flicks like "Plan 9 from Outer Space" or "Robot Monster" and the like.

 

no offense taken from you at all. :-) okay??

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I think you're probably right, CM! (But I must confess....along with the laughter, there are the tears a manfully try to brush aside. Truly; I have concluded that (non-masculine as this might sound) Now Voyager is up there in my Top Ten Favorite Movies of All Time...EVER!

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> {quote:title=Nando_Morton wrote:}{quote}

> Ha ha! The Weimer Roast Mystery is finally solved! THanks for the link, Vallo!

 

HI Nando! *Now, Voyager* is also one of my all time favorites; I wanted to be the poster -"Charlotte Vale" but apparently someone had already had taken that, so I named myself after my favorite movie, instead of favorite character.

The scene that always brings a unintentional smile to my face is when Charlotte races to the train station to see Gerry, and tells him about Elliot. Saying (paraphrasing here)

 

>"*In many ways, he's like you [Gerry] Oh, not you sense of play, or style or taste ...*

 

*(Or what! Apparently he is very much _not_ like Gerry!

 

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what i would like to know is everyone's opinion about what is was that was hinted at having happened the night the two spent 'lost' in brazil. we see henried looking at davis and a dissolve goes to the next morning. are we to think they 'smoked a cigarette'? i wonder what olive higgins prouty says in her book...

ding

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> {quote:title=ding09221941 wrote:}{quote}

> what i would like to know is everyone's opinion about what is was that was hinted at having happened the night the two spent 'lost' in brazil. we see henried looking at davis and a dissolve goes to the next morning. are we to think they 'smoked a cigarette'? i wonder what olive higgins prouty says in her book...

> ding

 

I don't need the book. _It_ happened. Otherwise, it was just a sleepover Ha-ha! I think Gerry introduced her to the "cigarette kiss" after... ;-) Remember, the following nights, he's meeting her on the adjoining terraces. That would even weaken me! His suggestion is very romantic, and for 1940, very suggestive.

If nothing but Bundling happened that night, Gerry is very noble, and wouldn't have gone after her the next night, would he? Where's the guys weighing in on this one?

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CONFESSION!....I read the book! (Ha ha!) And you know what? The kiss on the mountain after the car crash (it happens in Italy in the book) is as chaste as it comes! The two kiss, and then the next day, Charlotte wonders if she had just been dreaming that Jerry kissed her. And then, when they're in a cart or something being rescued, Jerry mentions the kiss, Charlotte makes a joke of it, and Jerry (who is totally American in the book and a bit gauche) says something like; 'Don't, Charlotte! Don't joke about it!'

 

But yeah....basically, it's a kiss. Period. I really thought that the book would at least hint that there had been a bit of hanky-panky, but no! (Maybe the reader was supposed to 'imagine more'...but honestly, I'm not sure that this was the case; it's really stated that they 'kissed', and that Charlotte was 'half sleeping' (when Jerry's lips touched hers, or something equally non-sexual).

 

So are we meant to infer that poor Charlotte gets NO **** for the rest of her life????

 

(Say it ain't so!)

 

(Ha ha!)

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Hi, Casablancalover!

 

"In many ways, he's like you Gerry Oh, not you sense of play, or style or taste ..."

(or WHAT?)

 

Ha ha ha! WELL OBSERVED! I hadn't even noticed that one! But it now ranks as one of my favorite 'N.V' - '****?' moments (excuse my language!)

 

I also love how 'Cascades' is obviously some sort of Extreme Make-Over Beauty Parlour, too (in one shot, we see Charlotte 'very much changed' (even though she looks exactly the same as in the last scene), all dowdy and heavy eye-browded in her 'foulard' (whatever THAT is!), and the next, she's walking down the gang-plank looking EXACTLY like Bette Davis?? What HAPPENED IN BEWEEN??? Does intense psycho-analysis make one want to furiously pluck one's eyebrows???

 

It's almost as if Dr Jacquith gave her some sort of Electro Convulsive Shock Therapy, because - boy! She sure pulled her look together after her stint at Cascades!

 

Oh, I laugh NOW....but you should see the blubbering state I'm in when those scenes with Tina happen! And of course...let's not even TALK about 'not asking for the stars'!

 

That movie is one of the few (along with The Elephant Man....VERY different movie!) that genuinely reduce me to lumps-in-the-throat/biting-back-tears. (But, unlike 'N.V', here's no tongue-in-cheek levity in 'The Elephant Man'. I AM GOING TO STOP NOW BEFORE MAKING JOKEY PARALLELS (inc. dialogue)!

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Oh, Nando! You have given me the laugh of the week! It truly is the "****"@%* moment! I also especially enjoy her last meeting with Elliot, when they decide to break up-- She talks about going to a bohemian restaurant, and then apologizes for being depraved. Geez, talk about your repressed Bostonians! She thinks she's being depraved! ! ! ? Apparently, this is not a woman who will have a "Girls Gone Wild" weekend in Ft Myers come March! I guess I have a totally different take on depraved!

 

I thought her stint at Cascades was the best thing that ever happened to her! Poor Tina! Did you get the code for her promise to "drink all her Hot chocolate"? ? ? Priceless.

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> {quote:title=Nando_Morton wrote:}{quote}

> CONFESSION!....I read the book! (Ha ha!) And you know what? The kiss on the mountain after the car crash (it happens in Italy in the book) is as chaste as it comes! The two kiss, and then the next day, Charlotte wonders if she had just been dreaming that Jerry kissed her. And then, when they're in a cart or something being rescued, Jerry mentions the kiss, Charlotte makes a joke of it, and Jerry (who is totally American in the book and a bit gauche) says something like; 'Don't, Charlotte! Don't joke about it!'

>

> But yeah....basically, it's a kiss. Period. I really thought that the book would at least hint that there had been a bit of hanky-panky, but no! (Maybe the reader was supposed to 'imagine more'...but honestly, I'm not sure that this was the case; it's really stated that they 'kissed', and that Charlotte was 'half sleeping' (when Jerry's lips touched hers, or something equally non-sexual).

>

> So are we meant to infer that poor Charlotte gets NO **** for the rest of her life????

>

> (Say it ain't so!)

>

> (Ha ha!)

 

I can't imagine how they sold books back in the good old days! I've read too many bodice-rippers to think that their relationship would be so chaste. No wonder GWTW out sold it. But I haven't read that one either, so I might be inferring there as well. My goodness, so it was just "a sleepover" . . . .

I do not doubt, Nando, that Charlotte does not ever get any **** the rest of her life. Stay out of her way... She's going to need another visit to Cascades...

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