LsDoorMat Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 If you look at the list, there are some WB, MGM, First National, RKO, and Monogram titles in the list. But there are also an awful lot of westerns that may be public domain, movies made 60s-80s that may just be mediocre and nobody ever bothered to digitize them, and strangely enough quite a few Columbias. So it doesn't look like TCM is holding out on us because the films they showed when they first debuted are now considered too old. I'll put in bold the stuff I think TCM should have easy access to - original Turner Library, although I know a couple that do have rights problems. 5 Card Stud (1968) Paramount Adventure in Washington (1941) Columbia Airport 1975 (1974) UniversalAlias French Gertie (1930) Warner Bros. The Amsterdam Kill (1977) ColumbiaArizona Whirlwind (1944) Monogram Arrowhead (1953) Paramount Attack and Retreat (1964) Embassy --------------------------------- Battle of Rogue River (1954) ColumbiaBehind the Mask (1946) MonogramBeyond The Forest (1949) Warner Brothers The Big Risk (1960) United Artists Bitter Sweet (1933) United Artists The Black Bird (1975) Columbia Black Sheep (1935) Fox Black Sunday (1977) ParamountBody and Soul (1927) MGM Bon Voyage (1957) Branded (1950) Paramount The Bridge in the Jungle (1971) United Artists Burn! (1970) United Artists ---------------------------------- Cameramen at War (1943) Casanova's Big Night (1954) ParamountCaught Short (1930) MGM Chess Player (1927) Gaumont (French) Christine Jorgensen Story (1970) United Artists Coming Home (1978) United Artists Copper Canyon (1950) Paramount Cotton Comes to Harlem (1970) United Artists -------------------------------- The Daring Young Man (1942) Columbia A Delicate Balance (1973) Public Domain???Divorce Among Friends (1930) Warner BrothersDown in San Diego (1941) MGM DW Griffith Father Of Film (Three Episodes) PBS ------------------------------- Edge of Fury (1958) United Artists El casado casa quiere (1948) El Paso (1949) Pine Thomas Productions The End of St. Petersburg (1927) Escape From San Quentin (1957) Columbia ----------------------------------- Fast and Loose (1930) ParamountThe Fast Life (1929) First National Footlight Varieties (1951) RKO Fun With Dick and Jane (1977) Columbia ------------------------------------- Geisha Boy (1958) Paramount Give Us This Day (1949) Denham Studios, UK Gigolettes of Paris (1933) Majestic StudiosGood News (1930) MGM Good Old Soak (1937) MGM The Good The Bad and The Beautiful (1957) (Turner Productions) Gray Lady Down (1978) Mirisch/Universal Grease 2 (1982) Paramount Great Missouri Raid (1951) ParamountGreta Garbo: Temptress and the Clown (1986) MGM Gunfighters of Abilene (1951) United Artists Gunmen From Laredo (1959) Columbia -------------------------Hammett (1982) Warner Bros. Harvey Middleman, Fireman (1965) ColumbiaHero at Large (1980) MGM Hidden Fear (1957) United Artists The Hireling (1973) Columbia Hit and Run (1957) United Artists Homecoming (1973) UK Hook and Ladder (1932) Hal Roach Huk! (1956) United Artists Hurry Sundown (1963) Paramount ----------------------------------------- If You Had To Do it All Again (1972) Invisible Ghost (1941) Iriquois Trail (1950)It's a Great Life (1929) MGM ----------------------------------------Joe and Ethel Turp Call on the President (1939) MGM John Huston: The Man, the Movies, the Maverick (1988) Joyless Street (1925) ------------------------------------- La cage aux folles II (1980) A la sombra del puente (1948) Lady Liberty (1972)A Lady To Love (1930) MGM The Last Laugh (1925) The Last Outpost (1925) Paramount Laurel and Hardy's Laughing 20's (1965) Les Sous (1973)Lilac Time (1928) First National Lone Gun (1954) Long Good Friday (1980) Los que volvieron (1948)Louisiana Territory (1953) RKO -------------------------------- Macbeth (1972) (TV movie) Mad Monster (1942) Madame Bovary (1934) Mama Loves Papa (1933 Paramount Man With My Face (1951) Massacre Canyon (1954) ColumbiaThe Missing Lady (1946) Monogram Murder in Harlem (1935) Murder in Times Square (1943) Columbia Music Lovers (1970)Mystery of Mr. Wong (1939) Monogram ------------------------------- Nabonga (1944) Naked Edge (1961)Nevada (1944) RKO New Adventures of Get-Rich-Quick Wallingford (1931) MGM New Centurions (1972) Columbia New Orleans Uncensored (1955) Columbia The Night Caller (1965) Nightkill (1980) Night of the Quarter Moon (1959) No Sex Please We're British (1973) ------------------------------------- Oh Susanna! (1936) On the Double (1961)One New York Night (1935) MGM ------------------------------------ Pardners (1956)Party Husband (1931) First National Passage From Hong Kong (1941) Warner Bros. Pendulum (1969) ColumbiaPhantom of Hollywood (1974) TV Movie (MGM) Pleasure of His Company (1961) Pocket Money (1972)Police Bullets (1942) Monogram Pony Express (1953)Powdersmoke Range (1935) RKO Prestige (1944) --------------------------------Remains To Be Seen (1953) MGM Reunion in Vienna (1933) MGM Revolt at Fort Laramie (1956) Robbery Under Arms (1957) Rock-a-Bye Baby (1958) Rootin' Tootin' Rhythm (1937) Republic Run For Cover (1955) ------------------------- Satyricon (1969) Savage Messiah (1972) Secret of Deep Harbor (1961)Shadow Returns (1946) Monogram Shadow Strikes (1937) Shaft in Africa (1973)She Couldn't Say No (1930) WB (I THOUGHT THIS WAS LOST EXCEPT FOR THE SOUNDTRACK???)The Singing Kid (1936) Warner Brothers So This is Africa (1933) Columbia Souls of Sin (1949) Star Trek THe Motion Picture (1979) ParamountA Stranger is Watching (1982) MGM Tabu (1931) Three Bites of the Apple (1967) The War at Home (1979) Three Crooked Men (1959) Three Sundays to Live (1957) Thunder in the Sun (1959) Till We Meet Again (1936) Paramount Town Tamer (1965)Trial and Error (1962) MGM-British Trial of Mary Dugan (1941) MGM Triple Deception (1957) Triumph of the Will (1935) ----------------------------- Un nuage entre les dents (1974) Under The Tonto Rim (1947) ----------------- Valerie (1957) ---------------------- The War at Home (1979) Warning Shot (1967) Water Rustlers (1939) We of the Never Never (1982) Wetherby (1985) Who's Minding The Store (1963)Whose Life Is It Anyway? (1981) MGM Why Would I Lie? (1980) MGM With Orson Welles: Stories from a Life in Film (1990) (TV) BBC A Woman of Mystery (1958) Woody Allen: A To Z (1996) Wyoming (1947) Republic -------------------------------------- You Light up My Life (1977) Columbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopBilled Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 How did you create this list? Are you sure you're not leaving any titles out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinemaInternational Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 What's curious here is that, while many of these films are obscure, there are some that its shocking about them being gone from TCM. I am thinking specifically of Coming Home, the 1978 Oscar-winning film that one would have thought would have been a staple of late-night airings during the annual 31 Days of Oscar. It would be nice to see some of these air again, Reunion in Vienna sounds like a good film, and I've wanted to see Pleasure of His Company for a long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LsDoorMat Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, TopBilled said: How did you create this list? Are you sure you're not leaving any titles out? I went through moviecollector's database of all films that have ever played and picked all films that had their last showing in the 1990s. I know some must be wrong. For example "She Couldn't Say No" starring Winnie Lightner from 1930 is lost save the soundtrack. Unless they did something where they inserted stills as the soundtrack played, I don't know how this would be done. I also know that "The Wild Party" (1929) starring Clara Bow aired on TCM at some point in time because I have a copy of that film and it has a TCM watermark that pops up every twenty minutes or so. However, it is not in the database. Neither is Ceiling Zero, and I did find my copy of that film and it does have the TCM logo in the corner. Same for the 1929 version of Trial of Mary Dugan. So I guess I'd say this list is no more reliable that moviecollector's database, and he does admit his database has some holes in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie Collector OH Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 hours ago, calvinnme said: I went through moviecollector's database of all films that have ever played and picked all films that had their last showing in the 1990s. I know some must be wrong. For example "She Couldn't Say No" starring Winnie Lightner from 1930 is lost save the soundtrack. Unless they did something where they inserted stills as the soundtrack played, I don't know how this would be done. I also know that "The Wild Party" (1929) starring Clara Bow aired on TCM at some point in time because I have a copy of that film and it has a TCM watermark that pops up every twenty minutes or so. However, it is not in the database. Neither is Ceiling Zero, and I did find my copy of that film and it does have the TCM logo in the corner. Same for the 1929 version of Trial of Mary Dugan. So I guess I'd say this list is no more reliable that moviecollector's database, and he does admit his database has some holes in it. Now that I have something to look for, I'll look into those. There may be some evidence out there. If I can find it, I'll tack it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceA Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Here are a couple of questions somewhat related to the thread topic: What is the newest non-documentary feature film to air on TCM? How about in the earlier, pre-millennium "better days" of TCM? What was the newest movie to have shown back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LsDoorMat Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 Just now, MovieCollectorOH said: Now that I have something to look for, I'll look into those. There may be some evidence out there. If I can find it, I'll tack it on. It could be that somebody scheduled "She Couldn't Say No" and then TCM found out later that the film was considered lost. They did the same with "Glorious Betsy" about ten years ago. TCM scheduled it, and then later found out that the sound discs were lost and had to take it off of the schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie Collector OH Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, calvinnme said: It could be that somebody scheduled "She Couldn't Say No" and then TCM found out later that the film was considered lost. They did the same with "Glorious Betsy" about ten years ago. TCM scheduled it, and then later found out that the sound discs were lost and had to take it off of the schedule. That could be the case for these. This project goes way beyond just gathering a bunch of old schedules together. Every bit helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LsDoorMat Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, MovieCollectorOH said: That could be the case for these. This project goes way beyond just gathering a bunch of old schedules together. Every bit helps. Believe me, I appreciate your scholarship and tenacity on this matter. That database is very enlightening. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhov Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 hours ago, calvinnme said: I went through moviecollector's database of all films that have ever played and picked all films that had their last showing in the 1990s. I know some must be wrong. For example "She Couldn't Say No" starring Winnie Lightner from 1930 is lost save the soundtrack. Unless they did something where they inserted stills as the soundtrack played, I don't know how this would be done. I also know that "The Wild Party" (1929) starring Clara Bow aired on TCM at some point in time because I have a copy of that film and it has a TCM watermark that pops up every twenty minutes or so. However, it is not in the database. Neither is Ceiling Zero, and I did find my copy of that film and it does have the TCM logo in the corner. Same for the 1929 version of Trial of Mary Dugan. So I guess I'd say this list is no more reliable that moviecollector's database, and he does admit his database has some holes in it. TCM did do a segment a few years back on films that have only partially survived. I know they played the "tip toe thru the tulips" from the Gold Diggers of Broadway for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinemaInternational Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 45 minutes ago, LawrenceA said: Here are a couple of questions somewhat related to the thread topic: What is the newest non-documentary feature film to air on TCM? How about in the earlier, pre-millennium "better days" of TCM? What was the newest movie to have shown back then? I think the first answer would be a tie between two films in 2011: Le Havre and The Artist. I'm not going to count the faux documentary about the "lost" silent film that was done in 2016, since that was more of a short than a movie. No clue to the latter, although I have a hunch it was either some late 80s/early 90s Oscar film or one of the last few MGM films in the Turner library (Wise Guys, Year of the Dragon, Cat's Eye, Marie, 2010, Dream Lover, Mrs. Soffel, The Ice Pirates, 9 1/2 Weeks, etc.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LsDoorMat Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 44 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said: TCM did do a segment a few years back on films that have only partially survived. I know they played the "tip toe thru the tulips" from the Gold Diggers of Broadway for example. That was "Fragments:Surviving Pieces of Lost Films" that aired back in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie Collector OH Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Here's what I have for She Couldn't Say No (1930). I put this up as an example of what the early printed schedules were like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie Collector OH Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Glorious Betsy didn't make it to my project, by design. More later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie Collector OH Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 The Wild Party (1929) did appear in my data (2000-08 & 2001-05), but mysteriously out of order in the way it was sorted. It appears in my table before the 1923 movie of the same name. I will look into this and see why it sorted it this way. Strange. Ceiling Zero (1936) - from IMDB trivia:After the 1993 VHS release, legal complications reared their ugly heads, and this title was taken off the market; as a result there has, so far, never been a DVD release, and except for a single presentation in May 1994, it's never been broadcast on Turner Classic Movies. The remake, International Squadron (1941), also fell into the same legal quagmire and has never been released on VHS nor DVD nor aired on TCM. These are the only James Cagney and Ronald Reagan titles to remain legally unavailable for public viewing at this time. See more » [I will add this in for May 1994, even though I don't have that month] In looking for any evidence of The Trial Of Mary Dugan (1929) having aired, I see it was scheduled for July 24, 2014 here:https://immortalephemera.com/52791/tcm-preview-july-2014/ but then was replaced by The Last of Mrs. Cheyney (1929) [confirmed by more than one of my sources] Then in 2009 there was a bunch of Internet chatter about TCM having a Norma Shearer block. But no concrete mention of this movie actually playing at that time. Here's the best I can find on Mary Dugan:http://forums.tcm.com/topic/24774-the-trial-of-mary-dugan-1929/ In this thread, it is stated that TCM did have it scheduled for April 1994. Again, this month isn't in my project. Maybe I should add this into my entries too. The reply in the thread conforms to my requirements, it is reported (by someone I consider to be a reputable source) to have appeared in the schedule, though there are no reports of anyone who actually saw it firsthand. Little side note I came across: Norma Shearer turned down the role for Mrs. Miniver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaytonf Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Satyricon (1969) aired in 2009 and 2015 according to MC's list. Shaft in Africa (1973) was shown in 2014 and 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaytonf Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Are you sure Black Sunday (1977) hasn't sown in this century? I know I've watched at least part of it, and I didn't start watching TCM until well into the 2000's. The same with Fun With Dick and Jane (1977). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhov Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, slaytonf said: Satyricon (1969) aired in 2009 and 2015 according to MC's list. Shaft in Africa (1973) was shown in 2014 and 2016. I don't think he's referring to Fellini Satyricon. There are two Satyricons from 1969, one by Gian Luigi Polidoro. He's probably referring to that one. Here's an IMDB link. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166788/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaytonf Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Gershwin fan said: I don't think he's referring to Fellini Satyricon. There are two Satyricons from 1969, one by Gian Luigi Polidoro. He's probably referring to that one. Here's an IMDB link. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166788/ gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewhite2000 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 hours ago, LawrenceA said: Here are a couple of questions somewhat related to the thread topic: What is the newest non-documentary feature film to air on TCM? How about in the earlier, pre-millennium "better days" of TCM? What was the newest movie to have shown back then? Someone has posted a list of all the films that aired the first week or so of TCM, and Rich and Famous, the Candice Bergen-Jacqueline Bissett remake of Old Acquaintance aired the second day of TCM's existence! It's an MGM film and is presumably in the library, though TCM took a long break between airings. If it hadn't been shown one time in 2012, it would have been on the list above. Anyway, it was only 13 years old when it aired on TCM in 1994 and I think would be a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinemaInternational Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, sewhite2000 said: Someone has posted a list of all the films that aired the first week or so of TCM, and Rich and Famous, the Candice Bergen-Jacqueline Bissett remake of Old Acquaintance aired the second day of TCM's existence! It's an MGM film and is presumably in the library, though TCM took a long break between airings. If it hadn't been shown one time in 2012, it would have been on the list above. Anyway, it was only 13 years old when it aired on TCM in 1994 and I think would be a contender. It was also the last film for George Cukor, which might explain why it was on so soon after the channel started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewhite2000 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I don't know if TCM was already organizing programming by themes as early as Day Two, but there very well may have been a group of Cukor films all airing back-to-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewhite2000 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 The newest film I can find on the OP's list is Wetherby, a 1985 British film with Vanessa Redgrave, Ian Holm, Judi Dench, Tom Wilkinson and Joely Richardson (who played her mother's younger self). Calvin didn't list a studio for this one, but it was distributed in the US by MGM/UA Classics and so was probably in the library back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimpole Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I've seen Burn on TCM, and I only started watching it in 2005/2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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