cinemafan Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 JackF - it's not much, but it's new to me...kind of dapper, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Cinemafan - I love it! I wonder if that is from Dillinger? I wish it was bigger, sigh. I like the wily look on his face. :x I should have some more pics pretty soon. Message was edited by: JackFavell for smileys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 The Wagon Master is coming .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 I'm so excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 That's one of my favorite parts of the movie, where he pulls his leg up on the saddle, so the men can see the horse.... I don't know why, it just seems so authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 So happy that Wagon Master is finally going to be on DVD. Can't wait till Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 The Wagon Master is coming! But so are the Cleggs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbaetz Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I already have my order in at Amazon and waiting with a worm on my tongue {baited breath} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 > {quote:title=fredbaetz wrote:}{quote} > I already have my order in at Amazon and waiting with a worm on my tongue {baited breath} Can I borrow that phrase, fred? I like it. I just got word that mine is in the mail. Woo hoo! Tuesday at the latest. I bet you get your notification tomorrow.... and your copy by Wednesday! I'll keep my fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 But so are the Cleggs.... Seems there are always Cleggs around to spoil things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbaetz Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Feel free to use it anytime, anyplace......Just send the royalties to my Swiss bank account.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Hee hee. Okay. What are the royalties on worms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 > {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > But so are the Cleggs.... > > Seems there are always Cleggs around to spoil things. Ain't it the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 > {quote:title=fredbaetz wrote:}{quote} > I already have my order in at Amazon and waiting with a worm on my tongue {baited breath} I just received an e-mail saying my order has shipped. So exciting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbaetz Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Just received my18x20 poster "Night Stage" Ben Johnson and Slim Pickens from the National Cowboy Museum . It looks great and will be on my wall as soon as I find a suitable frame.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbaetz Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Royalties on a worm amount to a "Good Turn", as in "As the Worm Turns" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 fred, Congrats on the new poster - hope you'll be able to post a photo later on! And I hope all Ben Johnson fans will be getting their Wagon Master DVD tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Came across a cool still from Wagon Master - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JackFavell Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Oooh, that's lovely! I love the composition. Was it in the commentary, or did I just read it? I can't remember, but Ford said he ALWAYS had an eye for composition, that he wanted to be an artist. It kills me that you can't learn something like that..... I would dearly love to be able to compose a shot like that, but I just don't have it in me. You are born with it or not, I guess. The sad thing is, I can recognize it when I see it, but cannot do it myself. The thing that's amazing to me is that Ford could do that, but not just with still moments, his compositions move. The set-ups never looks forced or stagy. Actors move into position in the most sensible way possible, and just manage to end up in shots like that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Bon matin, Mrs J! > {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > Oooh, that's lovely! I love the composition. Was it in the commentary, or did I just read it? I can't remember, but Ford said he ALWAYS had an eye for composition, that he wanted to be an artist. > Yes, he says that in one of Pete's clips. > It kills me that you can't learn something like that..... I would dearly love to be able to compose a shot like that, but I just don't have it in me. You are born with it or not, I guess. The sad thing is, I can recognize it when I see it, but cannot do it myself. > You did stagecraft, though, did you not? And you definitely have an eye for composition when you see it in movies---therefore, you DO have it, my dear. All you'd need is the practical experience, just as Papps gained it by those years working for his brother. And don't you just love how Ford gave his brother Francis the lion's share of the credit for teaching him what he knows, and for pioneering many techniques other filmakers "discovered" so many years later? Ha, after being very close to the vest about such praise while poor Francis was alive---at least to outsiders, or so they say. > The thing that's amazing to me is that Ford could do that, but not just with still moments, his compositions move. The set-ups never looks forced or stagy. Actors move into position in the most sensible way possible, and just manage to end up in shots like that one. I've heard that Ford had actors rehearse before a shot (important ones, anyway) and I've heard he seldom ever rehearsed. What it seems he did do was have them not so much rehearse as move around naturally in the set for a scene so he'd get an idea how to block it and compose it, taking his cues from where the actors would naturally and spontaneously move. Maybe this is why actors in his movies move in a cinemative, yet still very idiosyncratic way that looks natural to each person. Ben moves like Ben would move---in a movie---John Wayne moves as John Wayne does move---in a movie. Same with James Stewart, Dobe, Maureen, Harry Carey, sr., etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 > You did stagecraft, though, did you not? And you definitely have an eye for composition > when you see it in movies---therefore, you DO have it, my dear. All you'd need is the > practical experience, just as Papps gained it by those years working for his brother. My stagecraft class was so rudimentary, we got the basics and not much more. More than once, we ended up using our time to actually build sets! > And don't you just love how Ford gave his brother Francis the lion's share of the > credit for teaching him what he knows, and for pioneering many techniques other > filmakers "discovered" so many years later? Ha, after being very close to the vest > about such praise while poor Francis was alive---at least to outsiders, or so they say. I was thrilled to hear him discuss Francis in such a way! He said he learned everything from Francis, and I believe him. > I've heard that Ford had actors rehearse before a shot (important ones, anyway) and > I've heard he seldom ever rehearsed. What it seems he did do was have them not > so much rehearse as move around naturally in the set for a scene so he'd get an > idea how to block it and compose it, taking his cues from where the actors would > naturally and spontaneously move. Maybe this is why actors in his movies move > in a cinemative, yet still very idiosyncratic way that looks natural to each person. > > Ben moves like Ben would move---in a movie---John Wayne moves as John Wayne > does move---in a movie. Same with James Stewart, Dobe, Maureen, Harry Carey, sr., etc. This is so true! I have never thought of it, but in Ford movies, the actors are so much more themselves than in any other movies..... great insight, G! Wayne has that long purposeful stride, and Harry Carey, jr. seems like he skitters about 2 inches above the ground (I like to watch him break into a run). Stewart is usually a saunterer, but in Valance,Ford brings out the stolid and unmoving side of his nature.... and it works because it was inside of Stewart all along. Ben has a way of moseying, even when he is deadly serious. It's quite deceptive.....because he can move like lightning (check out his swift run for the gun at the climax of Wagon Master). He was very athletic, but not showy. I think Ford was brilliant to have made him a horse trader with a somewhat shady past, a card player - because he never ever tips his hand. This is the thing I like best about Ben. He has hidden depth, something that makes you want to see underneath the surface. In each movie, he seems to have something deeper that is untold, or maybe sometimes something untried. It makes him a little more fascinating in his roles as a good guy, and makes him quite scary in his bad guy roles. That depth, plus his immense inner warmth make him completely irresistible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I have been listening to the audio commentary on Wagon Master, too. Great stuff. I really loved all the great things Ford had to say about his brother Francis, the recollection of how he took the name Ford, etc. And also Dobie, who still has an awful lot of great things to say about Ben! :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFavell Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I just did a cursory study of *Francis Ford*, who more and more intrigues me. I found that he originally worked for Thomas J. Ince at Universal, so any connection between Ford and D.W. Griffith is purely speculative on my part. Francis Ford seems to have been closer to D. W.'s generation of filmmakers, rather than studying under Griffith. Unfortunately, not much is written about Francis Ford. He acted in dozens and dozens of westerns, starting his career in about 1909, but the majority of westerns he made began in 1912, when he became a director and writer, as well as an actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollywoodGolightly Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Nice photo of Francis Ford. I was so surprised he had a part in Wagon Master.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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