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*THE TCM PROGRAMMING CHALLENGE#13: LUCKY 13!*


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*Welcome to the TCM Programming Challenge #13!*

 

Though my pal patful won Challenge #12 and is the rightful host this time, it seems patful is the superstitious type who won't walk under any ladders, break any mirrors, or host any Challenge #13's. Actually, patful had a personal scheduling conflict, and since I squeaked in second place last time p asked me to host.

 

_This Challenge will run one month, from May 1 to May 31, 2009._ All schedules must be posted by midnight May 31, 2009, ET. I threw in an extra two days to give you five full weekends to work.

 

This is a fun event that was started by fellow TCMer path40a as a way to challenge people to program a week's schedule as if they were the holder of this most important job. This contest is in no way sponsored, endorsed or coordinated by the folks at TCM.

 

There will be small prizes this go-round, but the real prize comes with the fun and the challenge of playing. I won't tell you what the prizes are until we're done.

 

One thing to note is that the TCM programmer has often looked in and on occasion mined the brilliance of some contestants for use in the actual broadcast schedules!

 

*PROGRAMMING REQUIREMENTS*

 

*1. YOUR WEEK*

Because TCM announces its schedule about three months in advance, you can select any week September 2009 to September 2010. Your week starts at 6am ET on Sunday and ends on the following Sunday at 5:59 am ET. This means that your first film programmed begins right at 6 AM Sunday. Your final film can run slightly over, but should end fairly close to 5:59 AM ET the following Sunday.

 

*2. YOUR DAY*

Each day usually begins at 6am ET but can start later if needed.

 

*3. STAR OF THE MONTH*

One night a block of at least four films must be devoted to a Star Of The Month. Be sure the person you select has enough movies to schedule over a four week period.

 

*4. SPECIAL CHALLENGE: LUCKY 13*

There are two special challenges in this edition. In the first, in honor of this being Challenge #13, use one night of programming (at least four films) to interpret ... the Number 13. Some ideas to get you started:

-Movies about bad luck, omens, superstitions, the occult (13 as a bad-luck sign)

-Movies that include bar mitzvahs (they happen at age 13)

-Movies about rugby (13 members on a team)

-Movies that include the Last Supper (13 at the table)

Find many more examples of the use of the number 13 in our culture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_(number), and think of your own!

 

Your TCM take on the Number 13 should include at least four movies and start in prime time. The first one should start at 8 PM, any night you have room in the schedule.

 

Be as creative as you can in the interpretation of this!

 

*5. SPECIAL CHALLENGE #2: LOCATION! LOCATION!*

The second of the special challenges in this edition was inspired by recent tributes on TCM to New York and Los Angeles-set films. As a New Yorker, I know how much I love seeing movies set/filmed in my town. Your challenge: program at least four films in a single block all set in or filmed in the same city or state --- anywhere _EXCEPT_ New York City and L.A. Here's the chance to give your hometown or favorite vacation spot the TCM spotlight that shined on New York and L.A.! This block of films can be programmed at any time in the day or night. Four is the minimum number, you can do as many as you want.

 

*6. OTHER THEMES*

All other evenings are themes of your choosing. Daytime themes are encouraged. Once you've chosen your week, check what stars were born then. Maybe it's the anniversary of a historical event, or the anniversary of a classic film's release. You're the programmer, do what you want! Keep in mind that a good TCM schedule has diversity, so try and include different types of movies in the course of the week.

 

*7. PROGRAM TIMES*

Feature films generally start on the top, quarter, bottom, three-quarters of the hour. Primetime features start at 8pm ET. Please allow enough time on your evening schedule to allow for intros and outtros for each film.

 

*8. INTERSTITIALS AND SHORTS*

Try not to leave more than 15 minute gaps between the end of one film and the beginning of the next, lest your audience grow bored. You are not required to but feel free to include short films, featurettes, trailers, etc. in your schedule.

 

*9. REGULAR TCM PROGRAMMING BLOCKS*

Please program the regular TCM features in your schedule. "Silent Sunday Nights" begins around midnight Sunday and is followed by "TCM Imports." "TCM Underground" starts about 2am ET on Friday. Those start times can be flexible. Saturday's "The Essentials" must start at 8pm ET.

 

You can also program a celebrity Guest Programmer evening, or a Private Screening, or any of the other occasional TCM features, but you aren't required to.

 

*10. PROGRAMMING NOTES*

Please include some notes on your schedule. We are interested to know why you picked a selection and your inspirations. These are always fun to read, and they really allow us a peek at what makes you love movies.

 

*11. TCM PREMIERES*

This challenge will allow for 8 premieres.

 

A premiere is classified as any movie not available through the core libraries which has also not been previously shown on TCM. Movies for "Silent Sunday Nights", "Underground" and "Imports" are not counted against the 8. This time , I'm also saying that you can program any silent film made before 1930 without counting it as a Premieres, regardless of where you place it in the schedule.

 

*12. FILMS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN*

You may also use films in the Public Domain without counting against your premieres regardless of the studio that released them. Because Wikipedia's Public Domain entry is riddled with inaccuracies, for the purposes of determining what is and isn't in the public domain we will be using the movies and shorts included in the Prelinger Archives, which is devoted to presenting these films free on the internet. (As a bonus, you can watch all of them online to see if they fit your needs). The link is listed with the libraries below. Please mark these films "p/d" on your schedule.

 

*13. THE FILM LIBRARIES FOR THIS CHALLENGE*

The film libraries (with hyperlinks) for use in this Challenge are -

 

Warner Bros (pre-1948 only): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/

 

MGM (pre-1986): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0020206/

 

RKO (all): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0041421/

 

Columbia Pictures (all) http://www.imdb.com/company/co0071509/

 

United Artists (after 1950): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026841/

 

Samuel Goldwyn (all): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0016710/

 

J. Arthur Rank Film Distributors gb: http://www.imdb.com/company/co0027356/

 

Walt Disney (Live Action only): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_live_action_films

 

Public Domain list: http://www.archive.org/details/feature_films

 

*14. PREVIOUSLY SCREENED FILMS*

As always, you are free to program any film that has already been presented on TCM regardless of library affiliation. This should be designated with a "p/s" symbol (designating "previously scheduled").

 

The way to see if a movie has been previously screened is to go to the homepage and search the "Site." If TCM has played the film before, you will find programming listings, notes, or stories. DON'T search "Database" -- that includes all movies. Search "Site."

 

*15. RUNNING TIMES*

You can find running times for your film selections by using IMDB.com or right here on the TCM website. If using TCM.com, go to the homepage and search "Database" for the film title you need.

 

*16. HOW TO FORMAT*

Format your listing by showing the time it shows, name of the film, year it was produced, star or person of interest, studio, running time, premiere or previously scheduled.

 

Example:

3 PM: *The Letter* (1940), dir. by William Wyler, starring Bette Davis, WB, 95 min

 

*LINKS TO PREVIOUS CHALLENGES:*

Here are links to previous Challenges and schedules:

Challenge #12 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=139071&start=150&tstart=0

Challenge #11 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=8155190

Challenge #10 ( http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=127551&start=30&tstart=495&messageID=8088572#8088572 )

Challenge #9 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=8046284#8046284)

Challenge #8 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=8013984#8013984)

Challenge #7 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7973260#7973260)

Challenge #6 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7934043#7934043)

Challenge #5 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7877675#7877675)

Challenge #4 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7847611#7847611)

Challenge #3 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7827881#7827881)

Challenge #2 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7794350#7794350)

or the original from the immortal Path40a

Challenge #1 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7781430#7781430)

 

*VOTING FOR THE WINNER:*

At the conclusion of the contest a separate thread will be opened for voting. Any member of the TCM.com community may vote, whether you have entered a Challenge or not. You must have registered as a member of TCM.com by midnight April 30, 2009 to vote. In the event of a tie, the moderator will cast the deciding vote.

 

Have fun!

 

Message was edited by: ChipHeartsMovies, due to a decision by the community to...ah, just read further. And enjoy the game!

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Good luck and have fun, all!

 

And I hope some of my friends who are experienced at running these Challenges will glance over the rules I posted and catch any goofs I may have incorporated.

 

And as always, new players should ask questions!

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You didn't throw too much of a wrench at my schedule. There were some of my blocks of films I wasn't particularly happy with so it won't be too much trouble to make the changes based on your rules. I hope to have mine posted this weekend sometime. I hope people don't make too much fun of my amateur attempt at programming.

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Also to be clear, you have very wide rein in programming the "13" stuff ---you can interpret any way you like, you don't all have tp program *Thirteen Ghosts* and *Thirteen Women* -- unless you want to!

 

helenbaby, you'll be amazed how supportive this bunch will be! Have fun!

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Chip, looks good. Already working on mine.

 

One or two minor things, since you asked:

 

1. With regards to marking things p/s (previously screened on TCM), I just want to clarify for those doing this for the very first time, you should _only_ mark "p/s" next to a film that exist outside the normal boundaries imposed by the libraries Chip has mentioned. You don't have to do it for every film TCM has run that is in your schedule.

 

For example:

You wouldn't have to mark Singin' in the Rain (1952) as "p/s" (previously screened) because it falls within the library dates listed: MGM (pre-1986). Same applies for any movie issued by the MGM prior to 1986, even if your search doesn't show the movie ever airing before on TCM. As long as it falls within the dates marked, you're okay to _not_ put p/s next to it. Or PREMIERE, for that matter. But if your film falls outside the listed studios' dates, and it has aired on TCM, then it WOULD be marked "p/s."

 

2. Chip...or others from the past Challenges...what did we finally decide on the WB studio films, only pre-1948 or all (yes, I know, I think I intro'd the "WB: all," but did we put it back to only pre-1948? I can't recall)

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I used the same libraries as Challenge #12.

 

The only changes I made:

-Return of Gaumont, which was in and out in the past

-Clarified Public Access use, by giving a better reference than Wikipedia.

 

If everyone would like the pre-1948 rule, we need to change it today -- please weigh in now.

 

And thank you for clarifying the p/s business.

 

Hope everyone has fun!

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A couple of quick questions --

 

1) The links for the film libraries show separate lists for the company as the distributor and as the production company. Are we limited to only their productions, only what they distributed, or can we use both?

 

2) If we include a guest programmer, does it have to be someone real? I feel that Kermit (a wonderful choice!) kind of pushed the limits on the issue. How skewed would it be to have the guest a mythical ghost or an animated character from Japanimation?

 

3) In the challenge for: "at least four films in a single block all set in or filmed in the same city or state" -- does the name of the 'city' have to be consistent? I'm thinking that, just as NYC is also known as 'The Big Apple,' 'The Nation's Melting Pot,' and other things (which I can't list on a family forum), it might be possible, with little stretch of the imagination, that the same location, at different times, might be called 'Moonbase 9,' 'South Lunar Colony,' 'Crater Mining Camp,' etc.

 

4) Do we actually have to pick a date, or can it just be a generic week? (I'm worried that any actual week I pick might raise objections because I 'forgot' some star's birthday, or the anniversay of a film, or . . . well, many things that I just don't want to include.

 

Please note: I'm not actually expecting to enter. I'm going to play with this when I can, but because of situations beyond my control, the chance of my actually getting it done are very, very, very small. :( I'm mainly just interested in getting enough together so that I'm ready for the next challenge, or the one after that . . .

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1) The links for the film libraries show separate lists for the company as the distributor and as the production company. Are we limited to only their productions, only what they distributed, or can we use both?

I have always interpreted this as okay to use both. Please let me know if that's incorrect, folks.

 

 

2) If we include a guest programmer, does it have to be someone real? I feel that Kermit (a wonderful choice!) kind of pushed the limits on the issue. How skewed would it be to have the guest a mythical ghost or an animated character from Japanimation?

I'm okay with fictional characters.

 

3) In the challenge for: "at least four films in a single block all set in or filmed in the same city or state" -- does the name of the 'city' have to be consistent? I'm thinking that, just as NYC is also known as 'The Big Apple,' 'The Nation's Melting Pot,' and other things (which I can't list on a family forum), it might be possible, with little stretch of the imagination, that the same location, at different times, might be called 'Moonbase 9,' 'South Lunar Colony,' 'Crater Mining Camp,' etc.

That's a very creative approach. Fine with me.

 

4) Do we actually have to pick a date, or can it just be a generic week? (I'm worried that any actual week I pick might raise objections because I 'forgot' some star's birthday, or the anniversay of a film, or . . . well, many things that I just don't want to include.

You should put real dates, although you are free not to program birthdays and the like. Believe me, no one will be critical of that!

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another question, about the 13s---can we simply schedule on a 13th with someone's birthday that is on a thirteenth? does that count?

That's not quite in the spirit of the theme. Maybe movies made when the child star was 13, or something like that.

 

You don't have to be super-literal with the 13 thing --- play around a little and you'll start to see an amazing number of ways you can go.

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Regarding the Warner movies, I had always thought that the rule was Warner's 1949 and earlier. I made all of my schedules accordingly. When I began to gather info for my Challenge, I saw that the last few included all Warner's. Oops. I asked lzcutter about her opinion, and she told me to go with my gut.

 

And so, one vote for the original rules. :-)

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Just from a real-life programming situation, TCMProgrammr seems to have more luck getting films from the pre-1948 than the post-1948 film library.

 

The pre-'48 library was part of the original Turner Film Library. The post-49 library has always belonged to Warner Bros.

 

As much as I love using the entire WBros catalog, I tend to think for authenticity sake, it should be the pre-'48 library rules.

 

Of course, any film from the post-'48 film library that has previously aired on TCM would be able to be part of a schedule without costing one of the 8 premiere spots.

 

Message was edited by: lzcutter

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Thanks everyone for your input. The reason I asked y'all to make your voices heard in the first day of the Challenge was to allow me to edit the Rules at the top of the game, so new players don't get confused. Based on your input, here's the deal.

 

So gang: to clarify, your use of the Warner Brothers library this time is limited to films BEFORE 1948 for this Challenge. Unless, of course, the movie you want has been previously screened on TCM, or you choose to use it as a Premiere.

 

With that final amendment, the Rules are now set. I can't wait to see what both veteran and new players will do wit their schedules!

 

And again: WELCOME NEW PLAYERS!

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Well, we still need to clarify a bit. 1948 is OK, right? I went back to coffeedan's original post, and it said Warner controls 1949 and beyond.

 

I guess I've been fudging a bit on all my schedules, I always included 1949. Through complete ignorance, of course. :-)

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Yes, Pat is right, it is the pre- and post- 1949 library from WB, not 1948. My bad and the reason I need a personal sticky for my desktop.

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as a first time player, just need to clarify----if it has been shown on TCM it doesn't matter who owns it, we can show it anyway---the ownership thing only counts if its never been shown on before. and if it's never been shown on TCM before, but it's in one of the appropriate libraries, it doesn't count as a premier. right?

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